My ''Deca/Dianabol/Enanthate" tweeked 12 Week Cycle

**Rizdizzle** · 07-31-2010, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by blackeagle46

so lets start tweaking that crazy cycle of mine. i understand pyramiding is out of age , so where does that put us guys . consider dosages ... my height and body weight

I dont think many will advise you on a cycle when you clearly need instruction on nutrition for growth

**Swifto** · 07-31-2010, 11:00 AM

You could add a decnt amount of muscle to your frame on a diet high in protein.

By the looks of your picture, you obviously train, but your not near your genetic potential at all.

You want to be on 5-6 solid meals everyday with 1-2 shakes. 40-50g CHO, 30-40g PRO, 15-20g Fats.

**Rizdizzle** · 07-31-2010, 11:00 AM

Also you should be capable enough yourself to make your own viable cycle as there are MANY MANY posted on these boards all it takes is time to read them

**Rizdizzle** · 07-31-2010, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

You could add a decnt amount of muscle to your frame on a diet high in protein.

By the looks of your picture, you obviously train, but your not near your genetic potential at all.

You want to be on 5-6 solid meals everyday with 1-2 shakes. 40-50g CHO, 30-40g PRO, 15-20g Fats.

This is what you should work on.

End thread lol

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by oldschoolfitness

you look ripped up pretty good for 120 bro. i don't know what you started at so its hard for me to judge your progress. it does seem after 3 cycles your weight would be higher so congrats on the progress so far you look great but i will go with the majority and say diet needs more work but good luck on everything

oh its 140+, not 120
its like between 63.5KG and 64KG

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

You could add a decnt amount of muscle to your frame on a diet high in protein.

By the looks of your picture, you obviously train, but your not near your genetic potential at all.

You want to be on 5-6 solid meals everyday with 1-2 shakes. 40-50g CHO, 30-40g PRO, 15-20g Fats.

thanks for that note swifto , i am gona work on it a bit more since i'm not gona start it soon

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:07 AM

i'd like to get back on track to figuring out the cycle , i read alot on that particular one. but what do you guys think about it ?

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by blackeagle46

i'd like to get back on track to figuring out the cycle , i read alot on that particular one. but what do you guys think about it ?

I have not followed every post in this thread, did you propose another cycle since the original one that I told you is no good?

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Big

I have not followed every post in this thread, did you propose another cycle since the original one that I told you is no good?

nope , not yet i was waiting for your ideas on it . then i was gona draw up a new one and see what you think of it

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Big

for what it's worth I looked at the cycle and it sucks, pyramiding went out years ago and I don't agree with the ai dosing, and the pct is sub-par.

my ideas from page one ^^

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Big

my ideas from page one ^^

here's the new one

**Swifto** · 07-31-2010, 12:10 PM

wk 1-5 Dbol 25mg/ED
wk 1-12 Test Enan 250-500mg/wk (taper down if you get acne)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk
*HCG wk 3-14 500ius 2x week
*Aromasin 10mg/ED OR Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD

**Aodha** · 07-31-2010, 12:19 PM

yeah bro. i know it's hard to hear that you need to work on your diet. i was/am a hardgainer and that's all i heard when i was 21.. but man when you really work at it and just tweek your diet. eat eat eat.. you will see some good natural gains. then when you feel really good and primed i'd recommend another cycle. i know it sucks to hear. and you do look good for 5'4". but you'll get way more out of it.. i can easily maintain 180lb now when i use to be 130 nothing..

**Aodha** · 07-31-2010, 12:21 PM

but as for your cycle. i think it looks good. might wanna start at 20mg dbol and bump up accordingly if you need to..

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

wk 1-5 Dbol 25mg/ED
wk 1-12 Test Enan 250-500mg/wk (taper down if you get acne)
wk 1-12 Deca 400mg/wk
*HCG wk 3-14 500ius 2x week
*Aromasin 10mg/ED OR Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD

hey thanks a bunch swifto, but i thought i had to stop deca 2 weeks before my last test shot... can u comment on that please.

and can you give me more info on the HCG and how/when i should proceed with it.

oh and i was thinking of PCT 2 weeks after my last test shot... what do you think of that and what should i include in that PCT...i was thinkin 20mg nolva ED for like 4-5 weeks

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Aodha

but as for your cycle. i think it looks good. might wanna start at 20mg dbol and bump up accordingly if you need to..

yaa i think i'm going to do that since i'm smaller in size relatively to you guys :P

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 04:36 PM

I would stop deca 1 week before test E

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Big

I would stop deca 1 week before test E

noted. now i'm just waiting for swifto for more info on the PCT then i'll draw up a new cycle

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-31-2010, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by blackeagle46

hey thanks a bunch swifto, but i thought i had to stop deca 2 weeks before my last test shot... can u comment on that please.

and can you give me more info on the HCG and how/when i should proceed with it.

oh and i was thinking of PCT 2 weeks after my last test shot... what do you think of that and what should i include in that PCT...i was thinkin 20mg nolva ED for like 4-5 weeks

Well since your going about this cycle, I'll further my advice so you don't **** up.

Sub-Q injections with HCG. Swifto gave you the time on when you should take it. That protocol looks fine to me. What other questions do you have in regards to HCG?

20mg of Nolva ED for 5 weeks won't be enough. Stack 2 SERMS. You are running a compound that is notorious in the suppression department (if you continue with your original plan). Clomid/Nolva, Tore/Nolva, Tore/Clomid ect ect..

Example:
Clomid 50/50/50/50 additional 25/5 if needed
Nolva 40/40/20/20 additional 10/10 if needed

What other questions do you have?

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Well since your going about this cycle, I'll further my advice so you don't **** up.

Sub-Q injections with HCG . Swifto gave you the time on when you should take it. That protocol looks fine to me. What other questions do you have in regards to HCG?

20mg of Nolva ED for 5 weeks won't be enough. Stack 2 SERMS. You are running a compound that is notorious in the suppression department (if you continue with your original plan). Clomid/Nolva, Tore/Nolva, Tore/Clomid ect ect..

Example:
Clomid 50/50/50/50 additional 25/5 if needed
Nolva 40/40/20/20 additional 10/10 if needed

What other questions do you have?

ok these are my last questions (i hope)

1- i never ran HCG before, i know what it does, i just like to know
when its injected in regards with the cycle.(and is it also IM injected)
(when during the week) eg: before/ after the gear shots

2- adding to number 1 should i split the gear doses through out the
week or take it all once at the beggining of each weak
and could i mix my deca and enan... i hear u can but it doesn't hurt to double check

3 - just to make sure now for the PCT i'm gona be runnin
*HCG wk 3-14 500ius 2x week
*Aromasin 10mg/ED OR Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD
and two weeks after my last shot : Nolva/Torem
nolva 40/40/30/30 additional 25/5 if needed
and how much Torem would i need ?

**HawaiianPride.** · 07-31-2010, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by blackeagle46

ok these are my last questions (i hope)

1- i never ran HCG before, i know what it does, i just like to know
when its injected in regards with the cycle.(and is it also IM injected)
(when during the week) eg: before/ after the gear shots

You can take it IM or Sub-q. (I do Sub-q) Take each shot every few days. It can be before or after gear pins, doesn't matter. Be sure to store it at controlled room temperature (59° to 86°F)(15° to 30°C). After reconstituting, store in your refrigerator (36° to 46°F) (2° to 8°C)

2- adding to number 1 should i split the gear doses through out the
week or take it all once at the beggining of each weak
and could i mix my deca and enan... i hear u can but it doesn't hurt to double check

Yes you can mix your steroids in the same syringe. Deca and Enanthate should be pinned twice per week, no less.

3 - just to make sure now for the PCT i'm gona be runnin
*HCG wk 3-14 500ius 2x week
*Aromasin 10mg/ED OR Arimidex 0.5mg/EOD
and two weeks after my last shot : Nolva/Torem
nolva 40/40/30/30 additional 25/5 if needed
and how much Torem would i need ?

With Torem I'll go:
Nolva 20/20/20/20/20
Torem 120/100/60/60/30

Word.

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 10:45 PM

Alright so that's what we ended up with

**warchild** · 07-31-2010, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by blackeagle46

well i don't know how to describe my diet to you because i have different kind of foods than you guys because i'm from a different culture but i'll try my best.

-breakfast : bread(toast, white) , eggs , protein shake....
-Snack : buns, dates, fruit and so on
-Lunch : alot of stuff... meat (cooked in different ways), chicken breast, and sea food. also fruit most of the time watermelon after lunch. and i have rice alot of the times with my meals.
-snack
-Dinner: pizza... burgers... ( i don't really mind the fat, i was 8%-9% body fat last time i checked)

but generally i try to keep 60%carbs / 20%-30% / And the rest fat .

As for my previous cycles, they were experimenting with orals . Dianabol , and i also tried Sustanon 250 but in a very conservative Dose.

WOW with your diet you should be writing for muscular development and take over a Vet spot here

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by warchild

WOW with your diet you should be writing for muscular development and take over a Vet spot here

i think you should read the whole thread before making smart comments

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 11:08 PM

why so much arimidex on cycle?

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Big

why so much arimidex on cycle?

that's what i read i should do with similar posts, and what others told me here

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 11:18 PM

at most I would start with .25mg/eod and adjust as needed, personally I only use an ai if needed

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Big

at most I would start with .25mg/eod and adjust as needed, personally I only use an ai if needed

how do u determine when u need it ?

**G4R** · 07-31-2010, 11:30 PM

I use Adex if I am running a compound I know I have had gyno issues with, so I will run it through the cycle to prevent it.

If no Adex is used, and gyno shows up, then its time for Letro to get rid of it.

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 11:31 PM

if I feel bloat or gyno symptoms, I would use it. on mild cycles I don't need it.

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Big

if I feel bloat or gyno symptoms, I would use it. on mild cycles I don't need it.

uhhh now i'm confused lol. i don't know how bloat or gyno supposed to feel like cuz i never had it before on my cycles. i know it might be a side effect. but i wouldn't know how it'll hit me...

again so where does that put me and the cycle and all that . ( thats why i came to the forum for, i need something definitive)

**Big** · 07-31-2010, 11:39 PM

if you want to use it as a precaution, I see no reason to start more than .25mg/eod and adjust from there as needed, I'm open for other opinions.

**blackeagle46** · 07-31-2010, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Big

if you want to use it as a precaution, I see no reason to start more than .25mg/eod and adjust from there as needed, I'm open for other opinions.

yaa i think that's a good idea.. lets see what others think

**HawaiianPride.** · 08-01-2010, 02:52 AM

Gyno = tenderness/itchyness/lump in the nipple area.

Bloat = excess water retention/and or Michelin Man physique.

That's how you'll know when these side effects occur.

**blackeagle46** · 01-10-2011, 05:41 PM

YOOO everyone whats up , how's it going. i made this research thread a while back hoping to get on this cycle. i kept extending the date of starting this cycle and just kept pushing it with my nutrition...

going to start it soon, jus that its been a while since i did the research and perfected it. Is there any new stuff in the market that i should replace my cycle content with or add to it ?

thank you all