First Time Can Someone Confirm My Cycle's Legitimacy? (Short Post)

**SPK890** · 02-25-2011, 12:09 PM

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***D7M*** · 02-25-2011, 12:11 PM

Edit your post...no price discussion here.

Age?

Your body fat goal is completely unrealistic.

**SPK890** · 02-25-2011, 12:14 PM

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**Flier** · 02-25-2011, 12:17 PM

By marcus300

""There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus""

**bruary17** · 02-25-2011, 12:17 PM

Your not even near prepared for gear, buddy. There are many reasons the most important is you 20. You could hurt yourself bad. You have enough natural test in your body to really do work. Dont screw up the possibility of having kids or low test levels for the rest of you life. Give it 5 years.

***D7M*** · 02-25-2011, 12:18 PM

Still too young, my friend. And yes, your goals are completely unrealistic.

**awms** · 02-25-2011, 01:25 PM

Ok yes you are to young but I am going to give you advice because I have a feeling you dont care and are going to do it any way...with this cycle you will hurt your self!

Get rid of the tren ! tren will shut you down hard!!!! and there is no need for it in a first cycle. Most guys dont touch tren until they are very experienced and even then it is a tricky and powerful compound.

Second cut you cycle length down. The longer you are on the harder it is for your natual test to rebound and the higher chance you have of shuting your self down for good (especially at your age). 10 weeks is plenty of time to make good gains!

third make sure you have proper pct! clomid, nolva, and perhaps hcg if you choose to use it...you prob wont need hcg with a 10 week cycle.

lastly you cant bulk and cut at the same time...my recommendation to you is eat very clean! keep you carb low except for the morning and post workout, and keep your protein and good fats, and calories high. This will allow you to put on size and perhaps loose a small amount of body fat.

Go to your doc before you start and get blood work done on your liver values and your test levels. Ask for the results and keep them on hand.

500mg test weeks 1-10
anavar 60-80mg a day weeks 1-4

pct (start pct 2 weeks after last injection)
week 1 - 100mg cloimid/20mg nolva (A day)
week 2 - 50mg clomid/20mg nolva (A day)
week 3 - 50mg clomid/20mg nolva (A day)
week 4 - nolva 20mg (A day)
week 5 - nolva 20mg (A day)

4 weeks after pct go to your doctor and get blood work done, ask him to check liver values, and test levels, ask for a copy of the results and compare them to the results from your first blood test. They should be near or equal to them.

**awms** · 02-25-2011, 01:32 PM

p.s 5% bf even with steroids is ridiculous...I have been that low and there is no need to get that low unless your doing a show. Its no walk in the park...once you hit around 6% bf your body will start to go into over drive to hold onto fat and its very very very hardto get bellow that! 8% is a good healthy range to get to and is plenty low enouph to see abs and look good! its not halthy to stay at 5% for too long and if your do reach that level of body fat I can promise you that you wont stay there for longer then a week or two.

**songdog** · 02-25-2011, 01:39 PM

You are to young.SORRY

**awms** · 02-25-2011, 01:42 PM

Guy he is young but we cant turn a blind eye to him...imagine if you went to the doc and he said "sorry your to young get out". Yes you are to young and yes you should wait! but if you are going to do it then do it safe so you dont hurt you self....tren could really **** your body up and there is no need for it!

**bjpennnn** · 02-25-2011, 01:53 PM

bro we all want you to be ripped and smash tonz of vag all summer long, but we are telling you no because you are going to really end up hurting yourself. Best advice is to dial down on that diet, hit up the diet section there is some great videos in there. They are the secret of the pros ones. Good luck man, anyone who tells you to do this or gives you advice is mental and you should not listen to them.

**SPK890** · 02-25-2011, 03:04 PM

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**bruary17** · 02-25-2011, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by bjpennnn

bro we all want you to be ripped and smash tonz of vag all summer long, but we are telling you no because you are going to really end up hurting yourself. Best advice is to dial down on that diet, hit up the diet section there is some great videos in there. They are the secret of the pros ones. Good luck man, anyone who tells you to do this or gives you advice is mental and you should not listen to them.

Totally agree. especially the first part.

**awms** · 02-25-2011, 06:31 PM

Its not your gym experience we are worried about its your age...Your endocrine system is not fully developed until you are 25 so playing with it when you are 20 could **** you up in the future meaning you could end up with low testosterone levels the rest of your life.

If you choose to do it you have been warned and its you body so its up to you. Yes 10 weeks test and anavar is prob your best bet with a pct starting 2 weeks post last injection.

**MACHINE5150** · 02-25-2011, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by SPK890

thanks for the great replies all!

folks, don't let my age fool you my experience with lifting, BBing, and dieting extends way beyond the scope of your average 20 year old. my father is very into it and has been for 30+ years. not to mention my first experience lifting weights happened when i was 13.

over the last few years i've become very in tune with which dieting techniques work for me and which are wasting my time. i know everyone is saying too young but as you may have already guessed im going to do it anyway

anyhow my knowledge of this stuff is coming from a guy at my gym (also 20) who has experience using this stuff. he is really bent on the tren he insists its fat burning properties are bar none and will deliver that nice tight skin.

im taking the advice here and dropping the tren. I'm fairly skilled at dieting/retaining mass without it.

i will however be cycling all summer. so then 10 weeks on, post cycle starts 2 weeks after, continue post cycle for 4 weeks, then i am good to start again? i will be ending use completely around mid september

thanks

how much "experience" can he have at being 20.. has he gotten any blood work done??? does he know proper PCT?? or has he suggested using HCG ??

time off = time on + pct

you are making a mistake.. you might reach your goal, but you will not maintain it as you do not know how to eat properly.. you could easily get to 190 naturally.. but suit yourself, your playing Russian roulette

**NYJitsu** · 02-26-2011, 02:54 PM

you definitely reconsider cycling. you are too young.

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**ChiveOn** · 08-23-2013, 09:16 AM

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does anyone know how i can contact the admin to at least change my user name to something obscure? im really desperate ive contacted them twice now if i dont receive an answer im going to explore legal avenues. their terms of service are too vague to protect them and they even stipulate ownership of all content belongs to the individual. if my account/thread isnt deleted im going to motion for summary judgement under tort.

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**kelkel** · 08-23-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by SPK890

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**TestAce** · 08-23-2013, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by SPK890

no i didnt buttwipe but a social media account with the same will return this thread in a google search.

does anyone know how i can contact the admin to at least change my user name to something obscure? im really desperate ive contacted them twice now if i dont receive an answer im going to explore legal avenues. their terms of service are too vague to protect them and they even stipulate ownership of all content belongs to the individual. if my account/thread isnt deleted im going to motion for summary judgement under tort.

lol, that was a good one. Ah, to be young again.

**Red Bastard** · 08-23-2013, 12:38 PM

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***Admin*** · 08-23-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by SPK890

does anyone know how i can contact the admin to at least change my user name to something obscure? im really desperate ive contacted them twice now if i dont receive an answer im going to explore legal avenues. their terms of service are too vague to protect them and they even stipulate ownership of all content belongs to the individual. if my account/thread isnt deleted im going to motion for summary judgement under tort.

You state you contacted admin twice... Yet you ask how to contact admin... (I have not been contacted by you at all)

Then you act like an ass and expect that someone should jump at the chance to do something for you while you threaten us for you signing up and posting here hahaha well your account it now banned because you broke the rules... thank you and have a great day!

*admin*