I now realize it would be impossible to get permanent gains if you are already at your genetic limit. Unnaturally high levels of external test = increased strength and protein synthesis = extra muscle weight. So it only makes sense that if you take away the high levels of test, the body comes back down to baseline. Anyone who claims to have gotten permanent gains from steroid use is either: 1. Still taking steroids (even though they may be on a lower 'cruise' dose) or 2. Were not at their natural genetic limit before taking steroids.