19 and probably going on TRT, help?

[lorden24]

At 19, I'm experiencing basically all the symptoms of low test, and my libido died at 17, but it wasn't until recently that I even knew what low test was. I've been trying to get a doctors appointment for months now but it's been hard because of money and insurance reasons, but, soon I will get one and have my blood tested. I would be willing to lay down $1000 that I have low T, and if that is the case, I would like to just go ahead and be put on TRT and get my life back and be able to get results from my only real passion (bodybuilding), there is nothing more frustrating than flawless diet and training, and solid work ethic and discipline, yet getting little results...So, hopefully I get a doc who will not be a jackass and just let me mainly select my treatment, due to money I would like to be put on injections if I am put on TRT. So, can anyone who is on TRT tell me, what is it like? Do you do the injections yourself at home, because I would much rather do this than go in every week, and also, I am pro steroids (I swear to god this is not why I'm making this thread), so how does it work to blast and cruise without getting caught? After all, if I'm 19 with hormone problems already the least I can do for myself is take advantage of rX steroids if I have them right?

[dec11]

you wont know anything until you get bloods done, DO NOT go on anything, you would most likely mess yourself up worse

[lorden24]

you wont know anything until you get bloods done, DO NOT go on anything, you would most likely mess yourself up worse

do you mean not to go on anything before I get bloods done?

[deeznutts]

Thats exactly what he said. 1st step is blood work.

[songdog]

could be a good story for a kid tryin to backdoor us.

[gixxerboy1]

could be a good story for a kid tryin to backdoor us.

no dsm is just trying to back door you

[brad1986]

maybe this is a good sticky for kids wanting to use aas. Here a 19 yo is with no more natty test propb from cycling previously

[lorden24]

maybe this is a good sticky for kids wanting to use aas. Here a 19 yo is with no more natty test propb from cycling previously

wow you guys jump to conclusion to fast, I came here for help and instead get called a liar and sticky material for permanently shut down teens, thanks all. just to let u guys know, I have been experiencing this for two years, way before I was even interested in bodybuilding.

[lorden24]

maybe this is a good sticky for kids wanting to use aas. Here a 19 yo is with no more natty test propb from cycling previously

also you say i have no more natty test, there have been cases where people have no libido and high test, you don't know what i have.

[lorden24]

could be a good story for a kid tryin to backdoor us.

could be, but that's not my intention.

[Honkey_Kong]

OP, if what your saying is true, you need to find a specialist called an endocrinologist. Not a general practice physician. Supposing you haven't been abusing steroids , you SHOULD be a testosterone factory. And here is the other thing.... Any physician willing to give a 19 year old kid TRT without first attempting to find the cause and then resolve the problem for their low testosterone should have their medical license revoked. So, if this doctor is quick to give you a script, find another one. TRT should be a last resort. By the way, TRT medication can easily cost a shit load per month and you say you don't have insurance. So you really want to fix the problem so your body makes the testosterone on it's own.

[gixxerboy1]

wow you guys jump to conclusion to fast, I came here for help and instead get called a liar and sticky material for permanently shut down teens, thanks all. just to let u guys know, I have been experiencing this for two years, way before I was even interested in bodybuilding.

You really dont know what you have or what is going on. And wont until you get blood work done. It would be rare for you to be shut down and never have done anything before. You would have to have some underlying health issue that needs to be addressed

[lorden24]

OP, if what your saying is true, you need to find a specialist called an endocrinologist. Not a general practice physician. Supposing you haven't been abusing steroids, you SHOULD be a testosterone factory. And here is the other thing.... Any physician willing to give a 19 year old kid TRT without first attempting to find the cause and then resolve the problem for their low testosterone should have their medical license revoked. So, if this doctor is quick to give you a script, find another one. TRT should be a last resort. By the way, TRT medication can easily cost a shit load per month and you say you don't have insurance. So you really want to fix the problem so your body makes the testosterone on it's own.

I know all of this, I don't know what went wrong with me, I honestly think I destroyed my test with long term low fat/calorie dieting (use to be fat before I got into weights). When I was 17 I remember it like it was yesterday, I just began to notice checking out hot girls didn't do what it should, it was like looking at paper, just no turn on from them what so ever, and out of no where. I hope that it's not low T, because I know that TRT is expensive, and I really do not want to have to go on, especially not for life. I've been trying to get into a doc and get some blood work done, and then hopefully get sent to an endocrinologist if the blood work is bad because I've heard that normal docs are basically dumb when it comes to things like low T.

[lorden24]

You really dont know what you have or what is going on. And wont until you get blood work done. It would be rare for you to be shut down and never have done anything before. You would have to have some underlying health issue that needs to be addressed

I thought it was mental though because what's weird is I can still add mass and get stronger in the gym, though my results are nothing what they should be considering I never miss a work out and keep on top of my diet 100%...except I don't get things like morning wood which is a symptom of low T.

[Lemonada8]

I doubt you have low test at 19, unless you have been taking compounds that supress test. Take any Prohormones? any real steroids ? any pills that supposedly make you stronger and etc?
with your description of yourself and your lifestyle, seems that there is a missing link on why suddenly lost all libido, test, etc.
and seriously? a lowfat/calorie destroyed your test? thats dumb. plain and simple.

Get to a doc, get blood work done, and see what the doc says.

[lorden24]

Here are my symptoms, ones that point to low test, and ones that confuse me too because they differ from low test.

-I am lethargic, even when rested.
-I have trouble sleeping, I have trouble getting to sleep and staying asleep. If I wake up, which I usually do after 4-5 hours, I usually can not sleep again.
-I have basically no libido, I have no trouble getting hard, but maintaining hardness I do simply because of no interest in sex I believe.
-I'm irritable
-My quality of life is more or less just a lot worse I notice since the sex drive died.

But

-I can still get stronger in the gym, I can still add mass, and I can still lose fat if I try too.

edit: I also still get acne on my face if I do not keep up with skin care, some people say this means high test...

[Lemonada8]

ok seriously, you arent gonna get much help here other than go to the doc and get bloodwork done.
Those symptoms are extremely vague and can be alot of different issues.

Low test is a "cure-all" in older people, but since ur 19 thats not really the case

[lorden24]

I doubt you have low test at 19, unless you have been taking compounds that supress test. Take any Prohormones? any real steroids ? any pills that supposedly make you stronger and etc?
with your description of yourself and your lifestyle, seems that there is a missing link on why suddenly lost all libido, test, etc.
and seriously? a lowfat/calorie destroyed your test? thats dumb. plain and simple.

Get to a doc, get blood work done, and see what the doc says.

Well, I must be honest, I have ran one OF THE MOST MILD POSSIBLE PH cycles recently, that was promagnon, but everything I listed was experienced way before ever touching the PH, so do not say it's the PH that did wtv is wrong. What is odd too, is when on cycle I still had no libido or morning wood, even though it is an androgen that all users report increased libido with. I also don't think I was shut down very much because my balls hardly shrank if at all, and I started making gains again not even two weeks after PCT.

About the dieting, I mean for almost a year and a half I ate low fat and VERY low calorie, like 1400 a day while running 6 miles 4-5 times a week, I know that was stupid, what can I say, I was young, uneducated, and had a desire to lose lots of fat. I've heard that limiting fats can indeed cause hormonal problems considering fat is the macro which is linked to test.

[lorden24]

Well, I must be honest, I have ran one OF THE MOST MILD POSSIBLE PH cycles recently, that was promagnon, but everything I listed was experienced way before ever touching the PH, so do not say it's the PH that did wtv is wrong. What is odd too, is when on cycle I still had no libido or morning wood, even though it is an androgen that all users report increased libido with. I also don't think I was shut down very much because my balls hardly shrank if at all, and I started making gains again not even two weeks after PCT.

About the dieting, I mean for almost a year and a half I ate low fat and VERY low calorie, like 1400 a day while running 6 miles 4-5 times a week, I know that was stupid, what can I say, I was young, uneducated, and had a desire to lose lots of fat. I've heard that limiting fats can indeed cause hormonal problems considering fat is the macro which is linked to test.

another thing I have to add about this cycle I ran though, and something odd is this. I believed that I had pubescent gyno when I was younger (14/15) and at one point after reading some things online I got scared that I had it still, so I checked and had no lumps, no soreness, none of the typical symptoms..but for some reason I was able to discharge clear liquid from my nips when squeezing them, just a drop or two, but it was there. I was able to this do this before my cycle, and during it, but after PCT, I can no longer do it....what's up with that?

[Lemonada8]

No such thing as a 'mild prohormone'. its either fake or real and if its real you can have real issues.

I bet its a thyroid issue.

[Far from massive]

Again seek medical attention. While there may be some well qualified keyboard bodybuilding doctors here, you clearly need the help of a real medical professional. Hell any endo or other specialist would not even start to diagnose this without labwork.

[lorden24]

No such thing as a 'mild prohormone'. its either fake or real and if its real you can have real issues.

I bet its a thyroid issue.

thanks man, i appreciate the help. and yea I know what you mean about no mild PH's, but I just said that to back up that I don't think I was shut down from it all that badly. I'm gonna look into the thyroid thing, but do you have any insight on what's up with the nip discharge, and it stopping after PCT? Also (and sry for so many questions but your the only guy who seems to respond to me), do they do thyroid tests, is that something that would show up on my blood work?

[lorden24]

Again seek medical attention. While there may be some well qualified keyboard bodybuilding doctors here, you clearly need the help of a real medical professional. Hell any endo or other specialist would not even start to diagnose this without labwork.

Yea I know, nothing is in stone until bloods are done, I'm just trying to build up some info to talk with the docs about at least, know my symptoms and possible reasons for them better.

[lorden24]

No such thing as a 'mild prohormone'. its either fake or real and if its real you can have real issues.

I bet its a thyroid issue.

damn...I swear, something is messed up with my body somewhere lol. Everything I check up on the web could be something, low T seems it could be problem, it could have been prolactin, and now I just looked at the symptoms of thyroid problems, that really makes sense too...

[Shol'va]

Could be a non functioning pituitary or pituitary tumor shutting down your endocrine system. Again as others have suggested, you need to see an Endocrinologist and get an MRI of your head for pituitary issues and blood work to pinpoint that and other possible issues. It's your logical course to go if you really want to know what is going on with your body. Then you and your doc can decide on which course is best for you. But if you do have low T due to these issues then be prepared for the first thing for the doc to put you on will be Androgel or Testim. Most docs start there and work up to injections So be prepared and go from there. But if tests come back and you are low and want to skip the gel course, if that is the course your present doc wants to go then call around to other ENDO's and find one who will prescribe shots for men with low -T. At your age though, it will take something major wrong in your system like a pituitary issue for a legit doc to prescribe any testosterone supplement. So be prepared for rejections if that is not the case.

[gixxerboy1]

your dr will figure it out with test. You don't need to suggest diagnoses to him

[lorden24]

your dr will figure it out with test. You don't need to suggest diagnoses to him

yea i know that, I'm just worried my doc is an idiot about it, who ever it turns out to be, my last was horrible and said the nip discharge is normal and that it's probably just a mental thing, despite all my symptoms given...

[Honkey_Kong]

Yea I know, nothing is in stone until bloods are done, I'm just trying to build up some info to talk with the docs about at least, know my symptoms and possible reasons for them better.

No, everything until blood work is done is just speculation. By the way, you need an endocrinologist. This doctor needs to check your prolactin and estradiol levels. If the prolactin comes up high, he needs to order an MRI of your pituitary. And believe me that shit isn't cheap. Just the bloodwork alone can cost you over a grand (depending on if you go to Quest Diagnostics). You also need to be honest and accurate with the doctor about your prohormone usage, because that will help him eliminate some possible causes. Also depending on the place you go, MRIs can also be very expensive. But I urge you to make an appointment ASAP (it'll probably be a while before you can get an appointment).

[dec11]

guys he will only need an endo if BLOOD TESTS SAY HE DOES.

stop filling his head, for now all he needs is a simple blood panel from a GP

[dec11]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...und-you./page2


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[lorden24]

No, everything until blood work is done is just speculation. By the way, you need an endocrinologist. This doctor needs to check your prolactin and estradiol levels. If the prolactin comes up high, he needs to order an MRI of your pituitary. And believe me that shit isn't cheap. Just the bloodwork alone can cost you over a grand (depending on if you go to Quest Diagnostics). You also need to be honest and accurate with the doctor about your prohormone usage, because that will help him eliminate some possible causes. Also depending on the place you go, MRIs can also be very expensive. But I urge you to make an appointment ASAP (it'll probably be a while before you can get an appointment).

I know there are ways to get cheap bloodwork done, could I have that done and then take the results to a doc?? Or should I just go to a doc and let him call the shots. Jeez...a grand just for some blood to be tested...

[Lemonada8]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...und-you./page2


*post 43*

hAHa! busted!

[Jerseystepup]

at 19 how are you not under your parents insurance?? you should be covered? And if your not living under your parents anymore, id assume you have a fulltime job, which would in turn provide insurance?

[lorden24]

at 19 how are you not under your parents insurance?? you should be covered? And if your not living under your parents anymore, id assume you have a fulltime job, which would in turn provide insurance?

currently I have none, but I just became illegible for blue cross, which I'm trying to get this week

[lorden24]

hAHa! busted!

did you guys not see that I talked about my cycle ITT?

[Far from massive]

at 19 how are you not under your parents insurance?? you should be covered? And if your not living under your parents anymore, id assume you have a fulltime job, which would in turn provide insurance?

Don't know where you are getting this, but there are many, many people of all ages living without insurance.

[Far from massive]

currently I have none, but I just became illegible for blue cross, which I'm trying to get this week

Think you mean "eligible"

[lorden24]

Think you mean "eligible"

yes, yes i did lol

[Far from massive]

I did not just say that....sorry.

[lorden24]

does anyone else have any suggestions of what MAY be wrong? I suspect test, prolactin, pituitary, or thyroid.