Stacking Test E, Deca, and Dianabol?

[WhiteTiger]

I would like some input on this. I would like to run a 12 week cycle, with the following. Any input is appreciated. Thanks

Testosterone Enanthate once a week for all 12 weeks, deca once a week for first ten weeks, and dbol daily for first 4 weeks.

Nolvadex 10 -20 mg daily for gyno prevention.

Nolvadex and HCG for post cycle.

[songdog]

Cycle history goals and stats.

[magic32]

^^^What he said!

[WhiteTiger]

I am 29 yrs old, 6'2", 180 lbs. I have worked out many years, however a few years ago had some injuries that prevented me from working out for about 1 and a half years. I went down to 150 lbs. After much physical therapy I was able to get back to lifting. I made it back to about 170 lbs on my own. I had hard time getting past this as my recovery time isn't as good as it used to be and a few joint issues. This is when I decided to run a Test E only cycle of 12 weeks to see how I tolerated. I gained about 15 - 20 lbs, nice strength gains, but some water retention, and some bad acne on my shoulders. Overall I was happy. I have been off for 3 months now. I dropped a lot of the size due to not using proper PCT I believe. I would like a better cycle and use the Deca for my joint issues that have been popping up due to injuries.

I figured since I handled the test fine, I could step it up. My goal is to be around 205, strong and healthy. Hope this helps, it's hard to describe everything but appreciate the help.

[WhiteTiger]

Wondering about the amount of bloat too? Deca and Test Both cause it right? Will taking an AI like Nolvadex not only help with possible Gyno but water retention as well?

[Far from massive]

I would just stick to Test or Test and Deca . However I would be very cautious of Deca since if you are not familiar with how to implement a proper PCT yet you shure don't want to be fooling around with Deca. In addition the Backne and water retention were a shure sign that you were aromatizing a fair amount of the test, find out how to deal with this with the use of an AI (not a SERM like Nolva) then when you are familiar with controlling aromatization on a test only cycle and also implementing a good PCT you can step up to the plate and add a harsh compound like Deca. By the way use of Deca when you are not properly controlling aromatization is a good way to invite problems like lactation as estro helps trigger these Deca sides. As far as the dbol it will add to the bloat and complicate your understanding of controlling aromatization and sure won't be needed with a Test/Deca cycle and in addition to be honest, I am just not a big fan of orals.

[WhiteTiger]

Thanks for the feedback! Also, what type of AI would you recommend? Also, isn't Nolvadex and HCG sufficient for a good PCT?

[gymfu]

What type of AI do you recommend? Also, isn't Nolva and HCG sufficient for a good PCT?

No you need to do some research on PCT this is very important. While on cycle you need a aromatose inhibiator (AI) drug, I like to use Exemestane, 12.5mg EOD works for me. I dought this will help your acne though, if you are acne prone then you might want to consider acutane, it is a little on the harsh side but VERY effective, no way you break out on that stuff. There are other acne treatment options, but it just depends on how acne prone you are if the other stuff will work for you.

I like your cycle, that was my first multicompound cycle I had amazing results. But you need to be injecting your test and deca twice per week. I also recomend you run a low dose of 250ius twice per week of the hcg through out the entire cycle up to PCT, maybe ramp up hcg at the end.

I'm asuming you have your diet worked out, without that your wasting your money and time.

gl

[WhiteTiger]

Thanks Gymfu for the advice. After some research, I will definitely be running the HCG while on cycle.

[WhiteTiger]

I would just stick to Test or Test and Deca. However I would be very cautious of Deca since if you are not familiar with how to implement a proper PCT yet you sure don't want to be fooling around with Deca.

Yeah, I feel strongly about using the Deca as I have some slight joint issues and have read about the benefits on joints. Isn't Deca a lot less likely to convert to estrogen than most AAS? Or am I confusing that with something else? Im doing some research on the AI's now. I have heard Arimidex is the best and GymFu below mentioned Exemestane. Any recommendations on which?

[WhiteTiger]

Also, can anyone point me in the right direction for some good reading material on use of Vitamin B6 during a cycle. I've heard about it, but can't find much documentation on it. Anyone have a breakdown on why this is used? Sounds good to me, but wanted to know why exactly.