First time User - equipoise

**redz** · 02-03-2012, 10:20 AM

EQ is worthless, do a few months of reading beofre you touch anything.

**felk87** · 02-03-2012, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Razr.

lol

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.TyotSpwu7wg
GAWD DAMMIT CANT YOU PEOPLE READ!!! WTF!!!

Dude you wrote a decent post, dont get over your head tho...stop talking like you knew it all...have you ever even tried eq, or are you just stating your facts on what other people say about eq

**TRT2010** · 02-03-2012, 10:30 AM

BBrian said it correct. i wldnt go as far as throwing it out but you are gonna need some test as the base or else you are wasting your tiome so to speak with this " cycle" . read more on differant AAS properties and you will get a better idea of why these guys are trying to stear you away from doing eq only

**ScotchGuard02** · 02-03-2012, 11:38 AM

If this is your first cycle drop the EQ. EQ's not very anabolic anyways. Stick with a straight Test E cycle for 12 weeks, 500mg/wk, wait 19 days, then PCT Clomid 100/50/50/50, Nolva 40/20/20/20. Pretty basic. Go to the diet section and jot down a real good lean diet. Get to the gym and work hard. You'll get good results.

**felk87** · 02-03-2012, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by redz

EQ is worthless, do a few months of reading beofre you touch anything.

I disagree have you done eq before? And wasent satisfied, how long did you do it for?an what dose?

**gixxerboy1** · 02-03-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by felk87

I disagree have you done eq before? And wasent satisfied, how long did you do it for?an what dose?

most people who have done it feel its crap and would never do it again. I've ran it for 16 weeks at high doses before. I will never use it again

**felk87** · 02-03-2012, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

most people who have done it feel its crap and would never do it again. I've ran it for 16 weeks at high doses before. I will never use it again

Im not going to debate it, but ive seen awesome results from 600mg pw for 12 weeks

**felk87** · 02-03-2012, 12:40 PM

All i am saying is he already has it guide him in the right direction and see how his results go...maybe?

**gixxerboy1** · 02-03-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by felk87

Im not going to debate it, but ive seen awesome results from 600mg pw for 12 weeks

i was just responding to your post about people saying that and if they tried it first

**felk87** · 02-03-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i was just responding to your post about people saying that and if they tried it first

I get it, i just see a lot of hear say, and i think its kind of unfear, but if people have experience with it then that makes more sense.

**Jerseystepup** · 02-03-2012, 12:48 PM

I've ran a lot of cycles in the past.. Using almost every compound under the sun... Due to the lack of popularity associated with EQ, i never ran it... Im running it now for the first time.. Im on week 13 of 800mgs of test e and 600mgs of EQ.. and i LOVE IT.. just starting to really feel it now, but I'm seeing thicker veins everywhere, great pump, and more graininess then normal... I know what test only feels like and its defiantly making a difference.. Proven point that every compound will reacted differently to everyone... My training partner thinks all it does it take up space in the syringe... so try it for yourself !

**felk87** · 02-03-2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jerseystepup

I've ran a lot of cycles in the past.. Using almost every compound under the sun... Due to the lack of popularity associated with EQ, i never ran it... Im running it now for the first time.. Im on week 13 of 800mgs of test e and 600mgs of EQ.. and i LOVE IT.. just starting to really feel it now, but I'm seeing thicker veins everywhere, great pump, and more graininess then normal... I know what test only feels like and its defiantly making a difference.. Proven point that every compound will reacted differently to everyone... My training partner thinks all it does it take up space in the syringe... so try it for yourself !

Yes i like this testemonies

**gixxerboy1** · 02-03-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Jerseystepup

I've ran a lot of cycles in the past.. Using almost every compound under the sun... Due to the lack of popularity associated with EQ, i never ran it... Im running it now for the first time.. Im on week 13 of 800mgs of test e and 600mgs of EQ.. and i LOVE IT.. just starting to really feel it now, but I'm seeing thicker veins everywhere, great pump, and more graininess then normal... I know what test only feels like and its defiantly making a difference.. Proven point that every compound will reacted differently to everyone... My training partner thinks all it does it take up space in the syringe... so try it for yourself !

thats because of more red blood cells and prob higher blood pressure.

**hankdiesel** · 02-03-2012, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jerseystepup

I've ran a lot of cycles in the past.. Using almost every compound under the sun... Due to the lack of popularity associated with EQ, i never ran it... Im running it now for the first time.. Im on week 13 of 800mgs of test e and 600mgs of EQ.. and i LOVE IT.. just starting to really feel it now, but I'm seeing thicker veins everywhere, great pump, and more graininess then normal... I know what test only feels like and its defiantly making a difference.. Proven point that every compound will reacted differently to everyone... My training partner thinks all it does it take up space in the syringe... so try it for yourself !

Sounds like it takes 13 weeks to really kick in. That's a whole lot of $ to spend waiting around.

**Coolhand5599** · 02-03-2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

Come on guys, yes we find ourselves writing up the same responses several times a day but you have to keep in mind that when someone comes here fresh they haven't read everything you have read and they certainly don't have Razr's post stabbing them in the eyes when they register. This guy has been very patient and respectful despite a lot of you not treating him the same way, and for that he deserves a little respect.

Stieg, you will see a lot of people here dissing equipoise . When compared to most other anabolics it comes in next to last in terms of results (considering its price when compared to test), but the fact is that it is an anabolic steroid and it does render some results, just not as much as testosterone , well, or even close to test. It's only about half as androgenic as testosterone, but it can be very effective in adding strength and stimulating appetite when taken in adequate doses, and I'm not talking about extreme doses either. It also has a very slow rate of aromatization, which means it will be responsible for less side effects than test. Equipoise does attribute to slow and continual muscle buildup, but should probably be taken at 600mg per week for a full 12 weeks. All in all equipoise is just a very mild anabolic , but an anabolic all the same. I personally believe that if equipoise was just incredibly cheap, there would be no reason to not add it into any 12 week bulking stack.

Anyway, like these guys pointed out, eq does suppress natural testosterone production and it is essential that is it used in correlation with testosterone. The main thing you need to understand is that EQ is not effective as a stand-alone compound, even if you're only looking to add on only a little mass. In your case I'd bet that you'd be happy with only taking 250-400mg of test a week with 600mg of eq, and with a solid diet, you could probably be very effective in maintaining a large percentage of your gains. At 5'9" and 180 lbs, assuming you don't have a high body fat%, you have a very good base to start with already.

Brian you could say this in every newb post. From all the newbs thank you for sticking up for us

**titan13** · 02-03-2012, 03:24 PM

Well said brian your help is very appreciated. If people really want to help they need to advise someone in the right direction. Not just say dont do it, that does nothing.

**BBrian** · 02-03-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by titan13

Well said brian your help is very appreciated. If people really want to help they need to advise someone in the right direction. Not just say dont do it, that does nothing.

Thanks guys. The "you're not ready for AAS" rebuttal is exactly what some of these guys need to hear, but on another level there seems to be a high level of pretentiousness from a handful of veteran posters that seem to think that only experienced AAS users are worthy of steroid advice in the first place...I think you see the contradiction there. Everyone has to start somewhere, and most people are not going to wait until they reach their full genetic potential to begin using steroids , which again can be contradicting considering the discussion we had a few days ago discussing the fact that what we gain past our genetic potential is what we will be the most likely to lose post-cycle.

I've been lifting weights and crosstraining for eighteen years. I've been in the Marines, I've been a champion fighter, and I've participated in several different types of competitive athletic events. I've also been experimenting with steroids for twelve years. Recently a vet told me that I wasn't ready for steroids after I started discussing aspects of my cycle that I had already begun. When I explained different aspects of my health and experience, and asked that person to expound upon their statement, I got no followup, which made me wonder if that person even has the capacity to offer any advice other than "you shouldn't do steroids until you've reached your full genetic potential". Anyway, pardon my rant, and keep the questions coming.

**stieg007** · 02-06-2012, 01:10 AM

Thank you bbrian, andypandy and the others who gave me some of the knowledge i was looking for. I stopped reading a few days ago and then came back and was glad to see some of the post. Still dont know if im going to do it because im scared of the side effects and after i get off it. But thank you. Any PCT advice or heads up on things i might not know about while im on or after i get off the cycle would be appreciated also!