how the f**k do all these pro's like phil heath & jay cutler get so big !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hobnob]

i know its their lifestyle/diet/drugs etc but could someone put in writing on how much of everything they have to do/take to get like that ( i know not anyone can get like that as i know its also down to genetics etc & there are very few out there that could possibly come close to getting that size like my self)
like what would their cycles be like, dosage wise etc
they must have one hell of a crazy diet !!! & how long and often would then really train for ???
cheers

[JimmySidewalk]

Yeah, and how big is a small egg ? And what came first, the chicken or the egg ?

[adamjames]

i heard phil heath was using 400 mg EW of testosterone and 20 mg a day of dianabol ....crazy

dont forget cell mass

[traindude]

i heard phil heath was using 400 mg EW of testosterone and 20 mg a day of dianabol ....crazy

dont forget cell mass

That's not a huge number?

Why someone told me that pros took tons of gears which could probably shut down a normal person ?

[BokBok]

Myostatin deficiency. Maybe.

[DeadlyD]

That's not a huge number?

Why someone told me that pros took tons of gears which could probably shut down a normal person ?

He's being sarcastic! These guys use every angle there is to get that big! Remember that's their job, they get paid to eat, train 2x day

[DanB]

It's genetics mainly, and hgh, the average person prob couldn't get that size even with gear, your genetics just wouldn't allow it

[Dukkit]

Simple answer...

they have better genetics
better response to drugs (including less side affects)
better response to training

they train hard
they eat harder

They never miss a meal or training session.

Simplish answer...

They do every single thing they can in order to get a leg up.
The pros mostly all take the same drugs and amounts.
But they arent afraid to try new things.

Bodybuilding is not a healthy sport or lifestyle... at all.
The amount of food and drugs and damage we do to our bodies is in no way near sane.

[Dukkit]

It's genetics mainly, and hgh, the average person prob couldn't get that size even with gear, your genetics just wouldn't allow it

Incorrect.... the average person could get that SIZE. But to be pro size, is different than LOOKING like a pro. Pros have the muscle bellies, the density, the mature muscle, the separation, etc.

The average person could reach 260 but they wouldnt look like a pro who steps on stage at 260.

[DanB]

Sorry I should of been clearer but I'm on the app and try keep typing to a minimum, when I say size I mean full package like you described but I thought that would of been assumed

I'm sure there plenty of people here at 260 but look nothing like that

[traindude]

Incorrect.... the average person could get that SIZE. But to be pro size, is different than LOOKING like a pro. Pros have the muscle bellies, the density, the mature muscle, the separation, etc.

The average person could reach 260 but they wouldnt look like a pro who steps on stage at 260.

I love a moderate huge and great definition body.

like Flex Wheeler,he's a sexy guy,more attraction

Girls wont like a huge meat ball....

I do not like Markus Ruhl...Sorry...he's too huge...I dont want to be that...I guess he can scare all the girls around him... that's sad..

btw I think bodybuilding is not just to be big,we love a balanced body.The guys in the gym train their upper body all the year is totally a joke!

[Dukkit]

Sorry I should of been clearer but I'm on the app and try keep typing to a minimum, when I say size I mean full package like you described but I thought that would of been assumed

I'm sure there plenty of people here at 260 but look nothing like that

Never assume... there are newbies everywhere. hahahahahah

[JonnyConcrete]

If I had the funds I would go for it! But this is unlikely as I'm getting into investing and will be sinking most of my spare money into that!

[bodybycookiesandcake]

if all it took was money to look like flex, please tell me where to send all my money,

[JonnyConcrete]

if all it took was money to look like flex, please tell me where to send all my money,

Haha, I'm not implying that you only need money. But if can't afford the the GH then you are unlike to get as big as the pros.

[DamageDealer]

every ifbb pro bodybuilder is on AT LEAST 1.5-3 grams of testosterone per week (that's just for maintenance). also, HGH at around 10iu/day (morning and evening) and a little bit of insulin with every meal.

[kelkel]

That about sums it up!

Simple answer...

they have better genetics
better response to drugs (including less side affects)
better response to training

they train hard
they eat harder

They never miss a meal or training session.

Simplish answer...

They do every single thing they can in order to get a leg up.
The pros mostly all take the same drugs and amounts.
But they arent afraid to try new things.

Bodybuilding is not a healthy sport or lifestyle... at all.
The amount of food and drugs and damage we do to our bodies is in no way near sane.

[songdog]

I will tell you how.When they ask a question they do wat I say.None of this well my buddy has a friend.They just do wat I say and they get big.So who"s next

[abbot138]

Syntherol has changed things significantly as well.....Like Duk said, after genetics, diet and training its a matter of how much of a guinea pig you wanna be, and how much are you willing to experiment with your body....I dont know any of these guys personally, but im guessing most are MISERABLE human beings, lol.

[JohnnyVegas]

Saying that taking the right amount of gear would allow us all to pro bodybuilders is like saying it will make us professional football players. There are so many other factors at play.

[Razor]

Myostatin deficiency. Maybe.

This and massive amounts of slin.
Gh and test

[bigswoll]

Being around bodybuilders you will find out it's not about the gear or gh or slin it's about being the most disciplined person. Yes they run alot of shit but they r so disciplined with eating and training and planning there routines that it wud make u sick. I thought i was disciplined working out 4-5 days a week and eating my 5-7 meals a day until i started working with them a few years ago. That's what separates pro bodybuilders from the rest.

[abbot138]

Being around bodybuilders you will find out it's not about the gear or gh or slin it's about being the most disciplined person. Yes they run alot of shit but they r so disciplined with eating and training and planning there routines that it wud make u sick. I thought i was disciplined working out 4-5 days a week and eating my 5-7 meals a day until i started working with them a few years ago. That's what separates pro bodybuilders from the rest.

No, its not. lol.....Its genetics and drugs. We all know dedication, discipline and hard work are a big part of it. I know a lot of people who eat, sleep, shit, breath bodybuilding and discipline and they will NEVER in their wildest dreams look like a top level pro....Just not gonna happen bc you work your ass off and are disciplined.

[DanB]

No, its not. lol.....Its genetics and drugs. We all know dedication, discipline and hard work are a big part of it. I know a lot of people who eat, sleep, shit, breath bodybuilding and discipline and they will NEVER in their wildest dreams look like a top level pro....Just not gonna happen bc you work your ass off and are disciplined.

I agree, I could be as dedicated as them, and never even get a pro card, if your genetics won't allow it then you can only go so far

[markdbg]

honestly the order it goes, training and diet<genetics and response to gear< high doses GH,gear, Slin

training and diet is over run by genetics and response to gear,and high doses trumps it all. dont respond as well as others? they simply shoot more. ur always gonna get bigger on 20-40iu of GH and 10 grams of gear with up to 400 iu of slin daily. no matter what trainign and diet is like or how good ur genetics are. hell u dont even have to work out hard, u just have to stimulate the muscle for it to grow on those doses. pro's dont force feed them selfs like we do, they eat what they can, ull never see a pro force feed himself. you dont need to, thats how u get fat.

[The Bear 79]

They've been drinking Honkey Kong's Mega Milk................

[Bulkn]

It's mostly genetics. I know if I had free access to all the drugs in the world I wouldnt be able to become a pro. My body just isnt up to it!

[bigswoll]

Obviously genetics but i think ( my Opioning) you don't understand discipline until u wake up during the night to eat and they absolutely force feed are u serious? Yes lots of aas and genetics are a huge roll no doubt about it. But u could have all that but if u lack discipline you'll never be anything

[Dpyle]

How's this for pros not force feeding? And that's just breakfast.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULqB2...e_gdata_player

[bigswoll]

Thanks dpyle! My point exactly and that's jus bfast how about the other 5-6 meals. Makes me dry heave jus watching that lol

[bodybycookiesandcake]

was flex all genetics or was he using the synth?

[Dpyle]

Like everyone has said already. They are all on something, bit it's the genetics that provide that push from just being the big dude in the gym to the monsters we see on the O stage.

Take Branch Warren for example: 5'7" and last I looked his competition weight was around 235-240.

The gear helps a lot, but these guys have something genetically that allows them to rise above.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

flex is 5'8 and was competing at 260

[Dpyle]

That's the point exactly. All the gear in the world won't take the average guy to that size regardless of dedication. These guys have something genetically superior. Side note I believe I'm wrong about Branch. May have gotten some stats mixed up.

[coldfear]

flex is 5'8 and was competing at 260

lol not even close drop 40 pounds and il believe you

[Dpyle]

Yeah I was wrong. Branch's current comp weight is 255. And the above is correct Flex's was around 220. Some of the taller guys compete near 300 which is just insane.

[warren916]

like Flex Wheeler,he's a sexy guy,more attraction

You like Flex huh? Well even he had to give up a kidney to the sport, a life threatening example of what there doing...do you realize how much juice and orals it would take to shut down a kidney??? A LOT.

[JonnyConcrete]

^^^ He apparently had a hereditary problem kidney problem anyway. How you wish to take that is up to you

Some people have said that the pros really force feed. I might become a pro just for this, I love food haha!

[Narkissos]

Simple answer...

they have better genetics
better response to drugs (including less side affects)
better response to training

they train hard
they eat harder

They never miss a meal or training session.

Simplish answer...

They do every single thing they can in order to get a leg up.
The pros mostly all take the same drugs and amounts.
But they arent afraid to try new things.

Bodybuilding is not a healthy sport or lifestyle... at all.
The amount of food and drugs and damage we do to our bodies is in no way near sane.

This is probably the best post I've ever read in response to this question (that gets asked over and over again every year). Wish I could rep you man.

Incorrect.... the average person could get that SIZE. But to be pro size, is different than LOOKING like a pro. Pros have the muscle bellies, the density, the mature muscle, the separation, etc.

The average person could reach 260 but they wouldnt look like a pro who steps on stage at 260.

Amen.

every ifbb pro bodybuilder is on AT LEAST 1.5-3 grams of testosterone per week (that's just for maintenance). also, HGH at around 10iu/day (morning and evening) and a little bit of insulin with every meal.

Incorrect.

It's mostly genetics. I know if I had free access to all the drugs in the world I wouldnt be able to become a pro. My body just isnt up to it!

True.

There are a lot of guys on big boards who are vets/mods etc. who have access to all the shit under the sun... and they use it. Some of the most insane cycles I have seen have been by vets. Nothing they'd talk about publicly... because then some noob would probably copy it and get an aneurism.

That said... while most of them are pretty huge, only a handful of them are pro-sized. A lot of people don't have the potential to step on a pro stage.

A lot of people who DO have the potential to step on the pro stage, don't have the potential to be top-tier pros.

Some pros are literally machines.

Having worked with a handful of them I can say that not all are heavy drug users. Before I used to say that you could see who was the heaviest users by the look of their physiques, but that isn't even the case. There are some guys who put on WAY more muscle with dosages that are literally half of what another guy their exact size uses.

I offered to sponsor one pro's cycle some years ago, and when I spoke to his coach about his cycle history I almost shit a brick. The guy hadn't even touched tren . Never touched GH, insulin or any peptides. To date he'd used test, deca , dbol and anadrol ...and, his dosages were low. He was very ignorant about gear, and very afraid of trying new things. It was a mind-blowing consultation...and, further to the point, it made me realize my genetics were shit by comparison. LOL.

[Ashop]

It's genetics mainly, and hgh, the average person prob couldn't get that size even with gear, your genetics just wouldn't allow it

Love it or hate it no matter what you do or take,,,genetics will still play a huge determining role.