Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[Atomini]

Having done both, I personally enjoy low Test with higher Tren . Everyone has their different preference though.

[lovbyts]

What would you suggest if someones blood pressure started to get out of hand? Lets say they are normally borderline high blood pressure and already take meds for it. Could they just up their meds while on cycle to keep everything in check?

[Atomini]

Thats one possibility, but you have to ask yourself: is it really safe to do so? Some people use Cialis to lower blood pressure while on cycle, and though i'm not familiar with this practice, everyone who does it says it works very well. Also, make sure high Estrogen is ruled out, as that can increase blood pressure through peripheral water retention as well.

And sometimes you just need to either drop the dose or drop the gear completely. For some people, the increased blood pressure on top of pre existing conditions is too much, and thats when one needs to be responsible and ask themselves if they should really be doing this.

[lovbyts]

Never really had a issue with blood pressure except very mild. Never any anxiety in my life. I have heard about the Cialis thing but since I have real blood pressure meds I think they might work better.

I know I'm E2 sensitive. Not gyno prone but yes E2. Maybe I should up the AI to EOD or even ED? I get blood work done next week so I will know about the E2 for sure then.

[Atomini]

Never really had a issue with blood pressure except very mild. Never any anxiety in my life. I have heard about the Cialis thing but since I have real blood pressure meds I think they might work better.

I know I'm E2 sensitive. Not gyno prone but yes E2. Maybe I should up the AI to EOD or even ED? I get blood work done next week so I will know about the E2 for sure then.

Yup, that's what's going to tell you exactly what is going on. Anything else at the moment is just guesswork.

[shanebrock93]

hey Atomini,

is this a good first cycle?

Week 1: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 2: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 3: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 4: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 5: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 6: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 7: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 8: Test Prop 500mg EOD, 0.5 mg Armidex EOD
Week 9: PCT, Nolvadex 40mg
Week 10: PCT, Nolvadex 40mg
Week 11: PCT, Nolvadex 20mg
Week 12: PCT, Nolvadex 20mg

[Atomini]

Yes, it looks good. Although I don't seee what this has to do with Trenbolone .

[lovbyts]

3 days later and some little adjusting to blood pressure meds and feel much better. Right after working out my blood pressure was 139/80.
3 days ago it was 185/101

[Atomini]

Wow, looks good. Great improvement!

[lance1337]

1,75g of test a week for the first cycle? Doesn't look good if you ask me.

[Atomini]

Jesus, you're right!! When I originally saw his post above I thought it said 500mg weekly of Testosterone . I just re-read it and noticed it says 500mg EOD. That is insane!

[Gobster]

Quality thread. Very useful for new-comers.

[Fllifter]

Jesus, you're right!! When I originally saw his post above I thought it said 500mg weekly of Testosterone. I just re-read it and noticed it says 500mg EOD. That is insane!

Also his profile says he 19....

[Atomini]

Also his profile says he 19....

Well good luck to him.... lol.

[Gobster]

Quick question, how bad is the cough? If you start having a severe cough problem while injecting, is it recommended to stop the injection until it is cleared up, then attempt again, risking once more to get a another coughing attack?

[Atomini]

The cough always seems to start as a minor tickle in your throat or chest DURING the injection. You won't make very much note of it. Most of the time, the coughing fit itself will not actually begin until after the injection is done. I have had the odd time where the coughing fit was during the shot, which would indicate a lot more oil is intering a vein quicker than usual. What helps to ease it is to inject very very slowly. Fast injections, if in the proximity of a punctured vein, will produce a very fast onset coughing fit. If you go very slow, you have two choices: 1. Continue the shot, or, 2. Withdraw and re-inject. I personally have never withdrawn and re-pinned simply because i'm already in the middle of a shot, and I can't be bothered to re-inject. Only time I would do that is if I know for sure the pin is right in a vein and the oil is going right into it. But you'd know this from aspirating. If aspirating and its clear, coughs only occur when the needle has passed through a vein on the way in, and some of the oil has seeped into the punctured vein.

[Magic mike]

Atomini I must say I've been reading a lot of your posts in the last few days and I've learned a lot of stuff. Seems like you really, really know your stuff.

I don't plan to start doing cycle any time soon but I'm trying to learn as fast as possible regardless, and if I do end up juicing in a year or 2, there is a good chance that I'll be following your instructions.

Thanks for the good info.

[zacheryah]

1,75g of test a week for the first cycle? Doesn't look good if you ask me.

My first cycle was with 350/week i think, and it was just a 5 week cycle. and that was well enough

Receptors can only hold that many.


1.75 first time ? good luck with tearing of tendons, swelling like ****, and getting a huge gyno.

Quick question, how bad is the cough? If you start having a severe cough problem while injecting, is it recommended to stop the injection until it is cleared up, then attempt again, risking once more to get a another coughing attack?

I'd advice to have someone inject it for you.

Today, for the first time i had a cough while injecting, and the cough was really brutal. i had to ask her a few times to stop and wait, till i stopped coughing.
It usually lasts 30-60 seconds, then its gone.

She usually carefully injects the needle, then aspirates. make sure you are standing on one leg,and grab a chair with your hands. dont be an idiot like me to bent over 45° cause the chair is to low, cause then you are just asking to go trough a veign

aspirating indeed, helps alot.



another cough i had 2 cycles ago, was a few houres after the injection, at nights mostly. i think it was lesser quality, never had it again afterwards

[Daveman]

Planning my cycle that I plan on running in May/June and just wanted to pop in and run the basics by you guys.


Currently planning on running a 12 week cycle of Tren Ace @ 400-500mg/week and 100-150mg Test Prop per week, injections EOD.

Will have Cabergoline and Arimidex onhand and might just run them throughout at a low doseage.




Standard PCT of Nolva.



Kinda debating whether or not I want to dabble in GHRP-6 and Hexarelin alongside it.



I will probably pick your brain a bit more in the upcoming months but I wanted to get the basics out and get some general feedback.

[Atomini]

Looks like a solid cycle to me. I'm not one to ask about GHRP-6 or Hexarelin, as I have no experience with peptides (yet).

[bistbrah]

u may have answered this already amongst the million ques and i just couldnt find it so... if u were to add 20mg ed of d-bol to an 8wk tren ace test prop cycle, would the dostinex b enough or would u add nolva as a pct?? apologies if u hit this ques already.

[Atomini]

You should ALWAYS include Nolva in PCT... I don't know why you would think the addition of Dianabol would change that.

[junipoo]

Aromini ive done over 2 years of research on tren to find most of the info you posted, GREAT ****in post! wish i found you sooner to save myself time and agony lol

wel i figure since you are very profound with tren i could ask you.

ive used tren already and had very little sides. used tren E at 500mg/week andf test E at 250mg.week fekt great no insomnia or nightmares or anything just solid strength gains.

i was wondering if you could comment on my next cycle and more inportnatly my pct and me taking aromasin 12.5mg thru out cycle.

ive posted my full cycle on another thread if you wanted to check it out but id realy appreciate it.

[Myron Gains]

Hi Atomini. I'm planning on doing another cycle in a few months time, and I was wondering if you could critique the one I'm planning since I'm going to be gathering the materials together pretty soon.

Stats:
5' 10' - 5' 11" (haven't measured recently)
190 lbs
10-11% body fat

Weeks 1-8: Test prop 200mg/week (~30mg ED), Tren A 350mg/week (50mg ED), Vitamin B12 500 mcgs ED, Arimidex .25mg ED (I'm susceptable to gyno), Caber .5mg twice per week
Week 9: Nolvadex 40mg ED, Clomid 100mg ED
Week 10: Nolvadex 40mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
Week 11: Nolvadex 20mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
Week 12: Nolvadex 20mg ED, Clomid 25mg ED

This would be my first time taking tren, so I'm open to any advice and criticisms. I remember you mentioned something about HCG not mixing well with tren. Could you expand on that? I was considering taking HCG for this cycle but I haven't researched it heavily yet.

Also, I'm not sure on the Vitamin B12 dosage, or the frequency of taking Caber. Is splitting the dosage to twice per week a good idea, or is once per week ideal? Also, I can get Caber, but since AR-R sells prami, I'm wondering if I should just get that instead.

Thanks for your time.

[Atomini]

Aromini ive done over 2 years of research on tren to find most of the info you posted, GREAT ****in post! wish i found you sooner to save myself time and agony lol

wel i figure since you are very profound with tren i could ask you.

ive used tren already and had very little sides. used tren E at 500mg/week andf test E at 250mg.week fekt great no insomnia or nightmares or anything just solid strength gains.

i was wondering if you could comment on my next cycle and more inportnatly my pct and me taking aromasin 12.5mg thru out cycle.

ive posted my full cycle on another thread if you wanted to check it out but id realy appreciate it.

I checked out your cycle outline in your other thread. Looks pretty solid to me, and I actually like your idea of running Aromasin throughout the cycle as I noticed you have a higher dose of Testosterone along with Dianabol in it, so you'll definitely need Estrogen control there. Other than that, you have received some very good advice from other members in your thread so I suggest you follow the suggestions.

Hi Atomini. I'm planning on doing another cycle in a few months time, and I was wondering if you could critique the one I'm planning since I'm going to be gathering the materials together pretty soon.

Stats:
5' 10' - 5' 11" (haven't measured recently)
190 lbs
10-11% body fat

Weeks 1-8: Test prop 200mg/week (~30mg ED), Tren A 350mg/week (50mg ED), Vitamin B12 500 mcgs ED, Arimidex .25mg ED (I'm susceptable to gyno), Caber .5mg twice per week
Week 9: Nolvadex 40mg ED, Clomid 100mg ED
Week 10: Nolvadex 40mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
Week 11: Nolvadex 20mg ED, Clomid 50mg ED
Week 12: Nolvadex 20mg ED, Clomid 25mg ED

This would be my first time taking tren, so I'm open to any advice and criticisms. I remember you mentioned something about HCG not mixing well with tren. Could you expand on that? I was considering taking HCG for this cycle but I haven't researched it heavily yet.

Also, I'm not sure on the Vitamin B12 dosage, or the frequency of taking Caber. Is splitting the dosage to twice per week a good idea, or is once per week ideal? Also, I can get Caber, but since AR-R sells prami, I'm wondering if I should just get that instead.

Thanks for your time.

I never said that HCG never mixed well with Trenbolone . I never said anything that would even remotely resemble that statement. Firstly, IF you are going to use HCG, use it in the manner explained by the sticked thread in the PCT section of the forum: 'PCT by steroid .com'. Second, you'll have to scroll back in this thread a few pages and see my posts on HCG to clarify your misunderstandings (post #300 in this thread I believe).

Vitamin B12 is completely unnecessary. You may once again be mistaken, because it is Vitamin B6 that helps keep Prolactin under control. Cabergoline must be administered evenly twice weekly (0.5mg Monday and 0.5mg Thursday for a total of 1mg weekly is perfect). Ideally you want to split the dosage in order to maintain stable blood levels, as Cabergoline's half-life is approximately 2.5 - 3 days, so you will need to consume half of your dose followed by the second half 3 days later. I would reccomend going with Cabergoline unless you want to try out Pramipexole anyways. You can always use Cabergoline in this cycle and then try Pramipexole as a switch-up on your next cycle that includes a 19-nor compound.

Lastly, i'm assuming week 9 and onwards are actually your PCT weeks and not your actual cycle weeks? If so, I suggest when posting on here to clarify that those are PCT weeks. Other than that, looks good to me.

[Myron Gains]

I never said that HCG never mixed well with Trenbolone . I never said anything that would even remotely resemble that statement. Firstly, IF you are going to use HCG, use it in the manner explained by the sticked thread in the PCT section of the forum: 'PCT by steroid .com'. Second, you'll have to scroll back in this thread a few pages and see my posts on HCG to clarify your misunderstandings (post #300 in this thread I believe).

Vitamin B12 is completely unnecessary. You may once again be mistaken, because it is Vitamin B6 that helps keep Prolactin under control. Cabergoline must be administered evenly twice weekly (0.5mg Monday and 0.5mg Thursday for a total of 1mg weekly is perfect). Ideally you want to split the dosage in order to maintain stable blood levels, as Cabergoline's half-life is approximately 2.5 - 3 days, so you will need to consume half of your dose followed by the second half 3 days later. I would reccomend going with Cabergoline unless you want to try out Pramipexole anyways. You can always use Cabergoline in this cycle and then try Pramipexole as a switch-up on your next cycle that includes a 19-nor compound.

Lastly, i'm assuming week 9 and onwards are actually your PCT weeks and not your actual cycle weeks? If so, I suggest when posting on here to clarify that those are PCT weeks. Other than that, looks good to me.

Ah, yea sorry, I read that post a while ago and my memory got fuzzy. On my last cycle (Test E only) my testicles atrophied to about half their usual size, but have since rebounded back to normal. The only reason I was considering HCG this time around is because I've read that tren can shrink your testicles much more. What's your take on that?

Also, I wouldn't be adding the B12 for any prolactin affects, but rather to combat any potential appetite loss from taking tren. And yes, the Cabergaoline I would be taking twice a week on the same days consistently. And yea, weeks 9-12 represent my PCT. Sorry, I should have clarified.

[Atomini]

Ah, yea sorry, I read that post a while ago and my memory got fuzzy. On my last cycle (Test E only) my testicles atrophied to about half their usual size, but have since rebounded back to normal. The only reason I was considering HCG this time around is because I've read that tren can shrink your testicles much more. What's your take on that?

Also, I wouldn't be adding the B12 for any prolactin affects, but rather to combat any potential appetite loss from taking tren. And yes, the Cabergaoline I would be taking twice a week on the same days consistently. And yea, weeks 9-12 represent my PCT. Sorry, I should have clarified.

The HPTA suppression caused by Trenbolone (or any anabolic steroid ) is always different between individuals. You won't know until you go. When you do use it and if you find that it tends to really shut you down hard, you may require HCG to assist recovery faster (and maybe use it periodically throughout the cycle). This is one of the few situations in which I reccomend HCG use during cycle - when you are one of those individuals that is hit harder with shutdown and your recovery is harder than most.

B12 for appetite stimulation is a good idea but I would use it only if your appetite really does get crushed. To be honest, when I am on Trenbolone my appetite ALWAYS soars through the roof. I think it is the odd rare individual that tends to have appetite suppression while on Trenbolone (or perhaps this occurs with excessive doses).

[Myron Gains]

The HPTA suppression caused by Trenbolone (or any anabolic steroid ) is always different between individuals. You won't know until you go. When you do use it and if you find that it tends to really shut you down hard, you may require HCG to assist recovery faster (and maybe use it periodically throughout the cycle). This is one of the few situations in which I reccomend HCG use during cycle - when you are one of those individuals that is hit harder with shutdown and your recovery is harder than most.

B12 for appetite stimulation is a good idea but I would use it only if your appetite really does get crushed. To be honest, when I am on Trenbolone my appetite ALWAYS soars through the roof. I think it is the odd rare individual that tends to have appetite suppression while on Trenbolone (or perhaps this occurs with excessive doses).

Okay, maybe I'll hold off on the B12 then and put that money towards HCG. I can always buy it later if I find I need it.

I feel as though I recovered from my Test E cycle really well, but I'd rather err on the side of caution in this case and get HCG since tren is so much harsher. Thanks for your help.

[junipoo]

Awesome, i def will take their advice. really new to the forum and glad i chose this one because it seemed like others i was seeing had ppl have OPINIONS about tren rather than experiences and real knowledge about it, and i agree with you 100% after my first cycle i am HOOKED on tren. will most likely only do high tren low test cycle here on out, seeing as the gains were amazing and the sides were minimal. only thing i will play around with would be the different esters to see how my body reacts to each one. i am dreading tren Ace tho since i would hate pinning possibly ED.

[Atomini]

High Trenbolone with TRT doses of Testosterone is the way to go IMO. The majority of users who have followed this advice have reported incredible gains with minimal side effects, especially among those who used to run higher Testosterone in their Trenbolone cycles before trying out my suggestion. This thread, if you scroll back through it, is littered with these reports.

[junipoo]

i def believe you because all the time researching led me to finding very few ppl that were 'crazy' and talked about high tren low test and could back it up with real scientific knowledge rather than opinion. then more and more believers started popping up that actually tried it and decided to take the plunge.

just wondering your take on injection sites, and which would be best for pinning my test since it will only be 0.75ml 2x a week. and seeing that my tren dose is going to use up the full 3cc syringe in my quads.

[Atomini]

Injection sites doesn't matter really. I use dorsogluteal and ventrogluteal exclusively - nothing else is used. The only other spots I may hit is deltoids. I never have and ever ever will pin quads. Gluteal injection sites can hold the most fluid.

[junipoo]

had a bad experience with glutes my first time and wont try that again, ive done quads ever since with no problem. how many cc's do you say the glutes hold compared to quads, because ive heard a WIDE variety of answers to that Qs

[Atomini]

had a bad experience with glutes my first time and wont try that again, ive done quads ever since with no problem. how many cc's do you say the glutes hold compared to quads, because ive heard a WIDE variety of answers to that Qs

I've shot 4ml into glutes before with no problem.

[Daveman]

Injection sites doesn't matter really. I use dorsogluteal and ventrogluteal exclusively - nothing else is used. The only other spots I may hit is deltoids. I never have and ever ever will pin quads. Gluteal injection sites can hold the most fluid.

Why?


I used my quads exclusively last cycle because my GF is a nurse and scared me straight when she said the medical sector has basically abandoned the glutes as a viable IM injection site because of the risk of hitting the Sciatic Nerve (i believe)

[Atomini]

LOL the risk of hitting the sciatic nerve!?!? Do you realize that in order to hit that nerve, you need to be injecting towards the inside of the glutes (closer to your ass crack)? By hitting the upper outer quadrant of your dorsogluteal, you will miss the sciatic nerve by a mile each time. And when I use the ventrogluteal site, I don't need to worry about ANY nerves.

The glutes probably contain the least amount of arteries, veins, and nerves out of all possible injection sites which is why it is used so much. Compare this with the quads, and oh my god... the quads are loaded with nerves, arteries, and veins galore. Have you ever read the crazy amount of horror stories of people hitting nerves in their quads, or hitting arteries and blood spraying across the room when they're done their inejctions, etc.? I've never had such things happen to me when pinning glutes. I will NEVER EVER use quads EVER.

Dorsogluteal and ventrogluteal for life right here. Never once had an issue with nerves in all 6 or so years of injecting these areas...

[junipoo]

ive been pinning quads for all of my cycles and ive never once had blood shoot outta my leg. that seems kinda exaggerated. but i have hit a vein before and nothing really happened other than a little more bleeding than usual. but after a minute of rubbing and applying pressure i was g2g. it def is true that the glutes contain a lot less nerves and veins but that doesnt mean that quads cant safely be injected, especially after finding your "sweet spot" lol
been pinning in the same spot give or take 1/2 an inch for all my cycles and i think MAYBE once i hit a nerve and it scraed me but thats it, no cough, no crazy blood, none of those crazy horror stories lol
as long as you inject properly and aseptically you should be alright.

[junipoo]

sciatic nerve comment was kinda funny tho, but maybe its because im a nursing student lol

[Daveman]

Dunno, she was pretty convinced but in all fairness it was basically the week they were learning about IM injections so I'm sure it was over-hyped.


I think the preferred location for IM injections for nurses is in the hip (forget the exact name of the spot).



Will give the glutes a shot next time around.

[RyanGreg]

I injected tren and test prop and mast into my bicep. Now it is all swollen and weird shape when i tense flex it....also feels tight if i touch it and it is very slightly red.

I have injected into my bicep before in the past and never had a problem.... do you have any idea what this could be?

A slight bump also if i run my finger over injection spot