Dbol

[jay01]

Wait! we are abouut the same heighht. im 235, and a 36" waist. and right now, (yeah i suck) i'm about 17% bf. maybe more. (ya know how fat people don't like to step on the scale? well, when it's bad news, I don't like to use the calipers)

so if im 18% bf, how are you 11.5% body fat?

advice?

pry open that dusty wallet of yours, cut loose with $25, and buy a caliper set so you will know pretty close. There is no way in holy cheese cake you are 11.5% body fat.

hmm cheese cake.... were do i buy calipers from? never even heard of them

[Times Roman]

hmm cheese cake.... were do i buy calipers from? never even heard of them

just google it, they are every where...

[Times Roman]

and the more points you check, the better!

[lestat85]

Any sports store will sell calipers. There are tons if vids on YouTube explaining how to use them.

I'm sorry to say this, but if you've never even heard of a body fat caliper, then you've got a lot to learn about body building before you even consider adding AAS to the mix.

[jay01]

my skin is all streachy though its not like normal ppls skin its elastic almost =/ am i grabing skin or what when i do it?

(no its not cuz im fat even if pinch my knuckles i can get it to come up a good inch and release it'll snap back into place)

idk im just weird lol. Can i buy those things just about anyplace?

[jay01]

I don't ussually pay attention to those things cuz once i start working out for real im going to be buring way more calories then i am right now.

Any other gadgets I should look into buying while at the sports store?

[>Good Luck<]

lol 20%? thats a lil harsh.... I dont think im over 15% at the most personally

Dude, have you ever seen an ab on your body? 40" plus waist? Dude... Do you have any grab-able gut or fat? At 11% your shredded! Like Arnold... Forget a caliper, forget gear, forget stats and forget everything you think you know... Start fresh, join the gym, track your progress and for goodness sakes - learn about nutrition...

Post a pic, crop out your head. Or scribble it out in microsoft paint...It may be a little unsettling to post a pic on the net, but it gives you the humility you need to humble yourself enough to begin a journey that takes a lifetime. I wish you the best in whatever you do, but I honestly believe this is the best advice for you based on what I've read here....


Good Luck!!!

[lestat85]

my skin is all streachy though its not like normal ppls skin its elastic almost =/ am i grabing skin or what when i do it?

(no its not cuz im fat even if pinch my knuckles i can get it to come up a good inch and release it'll snap back into place)

idk im just weird lol. Can i buy those things just about anyplace?

Body fat calipers can be found at almost any sports store. Some supplement stores will even sell them. If you can't find one in a store, order online. Just google or use eBay.

As you drop body fat, there will be less extra skin to pinch. You don't have to be overweight to have a high bf%. That being said, you sure as hell aren't skinny with a 45" waist.

[Times Roman]

Body fat calipers can be found at almost any sports store. Some supplement stores will even sell them. If you can't find one in a store, order online. Just google or use eBay.

As you drop body fat, there will be less extra skin to pinch. You don't have to be overweight to have a high bf%. That being said, you sure as hell aren't skinny with a 45" waist.

or you can just order them online, super cheap

[lestat85]

or you can just order them online, super cheap

I actually got mine for less than $2 on eBay.

[jay01]

lol i'll go to dicks tommarow its like a block away. Heres the Diet im going to use


Meal 1: Pro/Carb

16 Egg Whites, 2 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 2 cup oatmeal

100g protein / 104g carbs / 10g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ½ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

110g protein / 4g carbs / 40g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

2 Chicken Breast, 3 cup Brown Rice

110g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

4 Cans of Tuna, 2 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

120g protein / 4g carbs / 26g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

4 Scoops Whey Protein / 160g of Dextrose

80g protein / 160g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

2 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 1 cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

100g protein / 140g carbs / 6g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
100g protein / 10g carbs / 36g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

6 Scoops of Whey Protein, 3 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

120g protein / 6g carbs / 42g Fat
That turns into approximately 840 grams protein, 500 grams Carbs, and 166 grams of fat. This is roughly 7000 calories

[>Good Luck<]

lol i'll go to dicks tommarow its like a block away. Heres the Diet im going to use

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

17 Egg Whites, 2 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 2 cup oatmeal

100g protein / 104g carbs / 10g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ½ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

110g protein / 4g carbs / 40g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

2 Chicken Breast, 3 cup Brown Rice

110g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

4 Cans of Tuna, 2 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

120g protein / 4g carbs / 26g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

4 Scoops Whey Protein / 160g of Dextrose

80g protein / 160g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

2 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 1 cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

100g protein / 140g carbs / 6g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
100g protein / 10g carbs / 36g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

6 Scoops of Whey Protein, 3 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

120g protein / 6g carbs / 42g Fat
That turns into approximately 840 grams protein, 500 grams Carbs, and 166 grams of fat. This is roughly 7000 calories

Do this and you'll be the next Coleman in a few months... LIGHT WEIGHT!!! lol

[Shsm]

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[jay01]

Thats how many calories im already taking though.... i got to modify it for drinks and protien shakes

[songdog]

This was another messed up thread.

[jay01]

I fix computers for a living guys sorry didn't realize the coleman thing was a compliment.

[lestat85]

lol i'll go to dicks tommarow its like a block away. Heres the Diet im going to use

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

17 Egg Whites, 2 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 2 cup oatmeal

100g protein / 104g carbs / 10g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ½ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

110g protein / 4g carbs / 40g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

2 Chicken Breast, 3 cup Brown Rice

110g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

4 Cans of Tuna, 2 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

120g protein / 4g carbs / 26g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

4 Scoops Whey Protein / 160g of Dextrose

80g protein / 160g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

2 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 1 cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

100g protein / 140g carbs / 6g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
100g protein / 10g carbs / 36g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

6 Scoops of Whey Protein, 3 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

120g protein / 6g carbs / 42g Fat
That turns into approximately 840 grams protein, 500 grams Carbs, and 166 grams of fat. This is roughly 7000 calories

I know you think you need a lot of calories, but if you train 3-5 days per week, your TDEE is only about 3300. That means you need about 3300 calories to maintain your weight. You could gain at 4000. Considering the measurements you posted though, I would guess that cutting would be a good place to start, which means calorie deficit and would put you at roughly 2800 calories. This is of course assuming you are training at least 3-5 days/week. Your meal plan is way too many calories. You'll get far more and better advice on a meal plan by posting in the diet section.

[jay01]

My Job is pretty physically demanding plus i work out once a day so its really 1.9... i read the thing im going to stay with the 7000 calories still i know how my body gets when i seriously work out

[wh1spa]

lol i'll go to dicks tommarow its like a block away. Heres the Diet im going to use


Meal 1: Pro/Carb

16 Egg Whites, 2 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 2 cup oatmeal

100g protein / 104g carbs / 10g fat



Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ½ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

110g protein / 4g carbs / 40g fat



Meal 3: Pro/Carb

2 Chicken Breast, 3 cup Brown Rice

110g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.


Meal 4: Pro/Fat

4 Cans of Tuna, 2 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

120g protein / 4g carbs / 26g Fat



Workout


Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

4 Scoops Whey Protein / 160g of Dextrose

80g protein / 160g carbs / 0g fat



Meal 6: PPWO

2 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 1 cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

100g protein / 140g carbs / 6g fat



Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
100g protein / 10g carbs / 36g fat



Meal 8: Before Bed

6 Scoops of Whey Protein, 3 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

120g protein / 6g carbs / 42g Fat
That turns into approximately 840 grams protein, 500 grams Carbs, and 166 grams of fat. This is roughly 7000 calories

I wish i could afford to buy this much food...

[lestat85]

I fix computers for a living guys sorry didn't realize the coleman thing was a compliment.

I don't like to speak for others, but I think he was being a bit of a smart a$$ lol. Ronnie Coleman was over 300 lbs in the off season and still had abs. You do NOT need anywhere near 7000 calories.

[stpete]

800gms of protein? where in the world did you come up w/that?

[jay01]

lol i do fix computers but i do alot of the grunt work i support a system for over 10,000 people they are all my clients my corporation is huge and i have to do alot of running around with heavy equipment and carts that alot of the older guys wont do. I actually get a pretty good work out by time im done.

[jay01]

800gms of protein? where in the world did you come up w/that?

I don't know if the math behind it is sound I have to look at the math side still I took this diet and just doubled everything lol. but i did read the entire post.

[jay01]

I don't like to speak for others, but I think he was being a bit of a smart a$$ lol. Ronnie Coleman was over 300 lbs in the off season and still had abs. You do NOT need anywhere near 7000 calories.

I'll cut it back but only by as much as 1000 calories. Im not trying to be difficult i do appreciate the help but i also know how my body is with alot of activity & little food.

[lestat85]

My Job is pretty physically demanding plus i work out once a day so its really 1.9... i read the thing im going to stay with the 7000 calories still i know how my body gets when i seriously work out

What kind of work do you do? You said you fix computers. Speaking from experience, I would not consider that to be physically active.

It sounds like you intend go ahead with your plan regardless of the advice here, which really is too bad. Trust me though, once you get the diet right, you'll be surprised at the difference. Your suggesting eating enough to pack weight onto a pro bodybuilder. You're no where near that level.

[lestat85]

I'll cut it back but only by as much as 1000 calories. Im not trying to be difficult i do appreciate the help but i also know how my body is with alot of activity & little food.

Seriously, post your proposed diet with your stats in the diet section. The guys there will be able to give you amazing advice and have you on the right track. They turned my diet around and it's made a huge difference in my training.

[jay01]

lol i will i promise just not yet im not even done tweaking it. I need to add drinks/shakes/fruit into it and make sure the math is sound .

[lestat85]

lol i will i promise just not yet im not even done tweaking it. I need to add drinks/shakes/fruit into it and make sure the math is sound .

Most of us limit the number of shakes we use. My only shake is after my workout and I use the occasional shake before bed (very rare) to boost protein, if I've missed my target for the day. It's far better to get your calories from real food. I used to take way too many shakes, you'll feel way better with the calories coming from food.

[dec11]

(I posted this a few days ago on another forum I was trying to interact on.... wasn't very active or helpful & also i dono what post stats are....)

First I'd like it to be said im not interested in losing weight I can do that easily if i just dropped my food intake to 3,000 calories a day....
I eat 6,000 to 8,000 normally 3/4 of it protein from various meats I do eat alot of greasy food though I need to keep the same amount of food intake so i don't drop my weight below 220 which i've worked very hard at obtaining. And no I don't got a tapeworm I've seen a doctor about that a few years back just to make sure. I don't look like I weigh 220 though more like half that, well thats what people tell me all the time anyways... i find it difficult to exercise as it burns even more calories Im probably going to have to incorporate protien shakes or something....

I'm more worried about giving myself a heart attack with all the sodium in the food really....

Here's a example of what a normal day of my eating looks like: (obviously some days I eat more or less this is just a example)

Breakfast:

6 packages oatmeal 960 calories
3 scrambled eggs 189 calories
1 large cup coffee 120 calories
4 pieces bacon 400 calories

snack:
2 peanutbutter wafers 280

Lunch: (Dennys)

1 country fried steak and eggs 660 calories
1 pancake puppies 400 calories
1 sampler 1200 calories
1 peach smoothy 260 calories
1 large OJ 231 Calories
1 side - everything hash browns 340 calories

Snack:

2 peaches 140 calories

Dinner:

4 hamburgers w/ buns & condiments 1400 calories
4 cups mashed potatoes 720 calories
2 cups vegies 100 calories
1 large cup whole milk 200 calories
(I usually eat the left overs ontop of it also)



Total Calories: 7,600 Calories

that diet is terrible........

and you DO NOT NEED 8000cals, you will get fat......

[warmouth]

(I posted this a few days ago on another forum I was trying to interact on.... wasn't very active or helpful & also i dono what post stats are....)

First I'd like it to be said im not interested in losing weight I can do that easily if i just dropped my food intake to 3,000 calories a day....
I eat 6,000 to 8,000 normally 3/4 of it protein from various meats I do eat alot of greasy food though I need to keep the same amount of food intake so i don't drop my weight below 220 which i've worked very hard at obtaining. And no I don't got a tapeworm I've seen a doctor about that a few years back just to make sure. I don't look like I weigh 220 though more like half that, well thats what people tell me all the time anyways... i find it difficult to exercise as it burns even more calories Im probably going to have to incorporate protien shakes or something....

I'm more worried about giving myself a heart attack with all the sodium in the food really....

Here's a example of what a normal day of my eating looks like: (obviously some days I eat more or less this is just a example)

Breakfast:

6 packages oatmeal 960 calories
3 scrambled eggs 189 calories
1 large cup coffee 120 calories
4 pieces bacon 400 calories

snack:
2 peanutbutter wafers 280

Lunch: (Dennys)

1 country fried steak and eggs 660 calories
1 pancake puppies 400 calories
1 sampler 1200 calories
1 peach smoothy 260 calories
1 large OJ 231 Calories
1 side - everything hash browns 340 calories

Snack:

2 peaches 140 calories

Dinner:

4 hamburgers w/ buns & condiments 1400 calories
4 cups mashed potatoes 720 calories
2 cups vegies 100 calories
1 large cup whole milk 200 calories
(I usually eat the left overs ontop of it also)



Total Calories: 7,600 Calories

That is disgusting! There is no way youre eating that crap and thinking about running Dbol . Do you really want advice or just trying to grab attention from people who actually know what they are doing?

[warmouth]

So Im looking for advise if its not helpful to me please don't post anything. Ok, so we know what youre looking for. Only want advice you want to hear. Got it.

Im going to do a cycle of dbol for my first cycle ever, never been on gear does this set up look ok to you guys? Also with my calorie intake will how much I eat increase? How much weight am i going to gain from my current intake of food (6,000 - 8,000 calories a day).Now, do you want real advice here, or just a pat on the back and a "go ahead"?


Dbol = 20mg first 4 weeks

testosterone enathalate = 12 weeks
Week 1 – 10= 500mg per week
Week11= 300mg per week
Week 12= 200mg per week
Clomid = Last 4 weeks 50mg a day

nlvadex = 20mg per day for 16 weeks


obviously i need to do more research but i'd appreciate positive feed back.

The last bolded one, youdo need more research, but What about "contructive" feedback?

[freddy1418]

I don't ussually pay attention to those things cuz once i start working out for real im going to be buring way more calories then i am right now.

Any other gadgets I should look into buying while at the sports store?

Lol "once you start woring out for real" buddy if you haven't been working out "for real" fof the past year AT LEAST with bf% under 15% you shouldn't consider aas.... are you serious here? I'm sure you wont listen to the advice given so good luck with you 10k calorie diet and your dbol , test cycle and hopefully you wont get gyno,high blood pressure or other issues due to your bf.. but if you do you can always switch your name and log onto the site with a different one with your issues so that none of us can say "I told you so" Good Luck

[MickeyKnox]

No offense but I have a high paying job I don't need my boss asking me why there are pics on me on a steroid site.

However i did one of those online tests.

i would give you the link to which one but it said i have 11.5% bf%


Stomach = 44 inches
Wait = 45 inches
Forarm = 17 inches
Wrist = 7 inches

Home Body Fat Test
Learn your body fat percentage with this quick and easy tool.
Your Results

You have 11.5% body fat.

You have 25.3 Pounds of fat and 194.7 Pounds of lean (muscle, bone, body water).

you have a 45" waist and you're trying to convince us that you're "slender"?? get real will ya..

I fix computers for a living guys sorry didn't realize the coleman thing was a compliment.

My Job is pretty physically demanding plus i work out once a day so its really 1.9... i read the thing im going to stay with the 7000 calories still i know how my body gets when i seriously work out

lmao!!!

im calling a troll on this one. there is no other explanation.

[hyphy_beast]

you have a 45" waist and you're trying to convince us that you're "slender"?? get real will ya..

lmao!!!

im calling a troll on this one. there is no other explanation.

I agree. Troll for sure. It was the stretchy skin part that finally did it for me lol

[jay01]

Thanks for wasting my time. Some of you were helpful some of you were just assholes. You decide.

[warmouth]

Dude! You'll ony go down to 7000 calories? No way this is a real thread. This is borderline lunacy.

[Mossypain]

I really don't think your body is demanding 7-8000 calories so it can only turn to fat. I do carpentry and its much more physically demanding than that and I wouldn't eat that amount to bulk even with everything I do. Just put a picture up so you can be helped. Put a sock over your head or something!!

[7JS]

You must have an extremely high bmr/thyroid.

Most here, if they ate 8k/cals/day, we'd friggin blow up like Violet Beauregard.

You are 26. No way in hell you will get away with this at 36. I'm 50, and if i eat 5k/cal/day, I am definately gaining.

But damn mate! Are you one of those blokes we see on "Man vs. Food"?

Nice one roman !

[7JS]

my skin is all streachy though its not like normal ppls skin its elastic almost =/ am i grabing skin or what when i do it?

(no its not cuz im fat even if pinch my knuckles i can get it to come up a good inch and release it'll snap back into place)

idk im just weird lol. Can i buy those things just about anyplace?

You sound like a kid.

[7JS]

lol i'll go to dicks tommarow its like a block away. Heres the Diet im going to use

Meal 1: Pro/Carb

16 Egg Whites, 2 Scoop Of Whey Protein, 2 cup oatmeal

100g protein / 104g carbs / 10g fat

Meal 2: Pro/Fat

Lean Ground Beef, ½ cup swiss cheese, green veggies

110g protein / 4g carbs / 40g fat

Meal 3: Pro/Carb

2 Chicken Breast, 3 cup Brown Rice

110g protein / 64g carbs / 3g Fat
**Disclaimer: Meal 3 can be a pro/fat meal if you are ultra sensitive to carb intake.

Meal 4: Pro/Fat

4 Cans of Tuna, 2 Tbsp Full Fat Mayonnaise, Veggies

120g protein / 4g carbs / 26g Fat

Workout

Meal 5: PWO Nutrition

4 Scoops Whey Protein / 160g of Dextrose

80g protein / 160g carbs / 0g fat

Meal 6: PPWO

2 Boneless Skinless Chicken Breast, 1 cup Brown Rice (Measured Uncooked)

100g protein / 140g carbs / 6g fat

Meal 7: Pro/Fat

Lean Protein of your choice, 2 Tbsp Natural Peanut Butter
100g protein / 10g carbs / 36g fat

Meal 8: Before Bed

6 Scoops of Whey Protein, 3 Tbsp. Flax Seed Oil

120g protein / 6g carbs / 42g Fat
That turns into approximately 840 grams protein, 500 grams Carbs, and 166 grams of fat. This is roughly 7000 calories

Ok now your being a troll...