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    5th Cycle need advice

    Stats = 23 years old, 6ft, 225lbs, 8% BF
    Prev Cycles, TestE - TestE/Deca - TestE/EQ/Stana - TestP/TrenA/Anavar

    Cycle im looking at doing next is TestP / Tren A / EQ / T3 Looking to get to 250+lbs on this cycle keeping bodyfat at the same.

    The questions i have
    1) is there any actual strength advantages from TREN E over A? Running the Tren A was completely fine i felt way better on that compared to the EQ and Deca in terms of sides, so Tren E doesnt scare me. Ran the tren at 350mg

    2) How does T3 compare to Anavar?

    3) Would Test E or P be better in this cycle since im running the EQ for 14 weeks

    My dosages something like

    Test Prop weeks 1-15 at 350mg
    Tren A weeks 1-10 at 500mg
    EQ weeks 1-13 at 600mg
    T3 - Still researching on best way to run this
    HCG throughout cycle at 500iu a week
    Nolva on hand

    Nolva + HCG + clomid for standard PCT

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    Why are you going to run EQ?

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    And why the t3 while bulking?

    And you honestly don't know anything about the different esters yet have 4 cycles down under your belt?

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    And 5 th cycle at 23?
    What were your beginning stats?

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    Man you are huge and crazy lean at 23! Where did you start at?
    Last edited by Chx beach 79; 07-12-2013 at 10:36 AM.

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    Honkey Kong if your clueless stay out of my thread.

    Where in the world would you get a bulking cycle from test P, Tren A EQ and T3?

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    started first cycle at 20, was 180lbs 7% BF

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    im running the EQ because ive ran it before and loved it. EQ is not Deca can be ran for bulking or cutting depends on the diet.

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    You can run either Tren -E or Tren-A. Everyone usually runs Tren-A because in the event that they can't handle Tren, the addition of the Acetate ester allows the Tren to leave the body faster (about 2-3 days half-life) vs Tren-E (about 5-7 day half-life). Furthermore, Tren-A needs to be injected ED/EOD while Tren-E needs to be injected E3D/E4D.

    Also, please read the stickied threads and learn about esters and half-lifes before you even begin your cycle..

    Best of luck.

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    yep but is there any actual difference you will notice in strength between Tren A and E?

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    No, they are both the same compound but with different esters attached leading to different half-lives and injection frequencies.

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    ill stick with Tren Ace then. Thanks

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    yeah been doing more reading going to scrap the T3 and use Anavar

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    so heres the good copy of cycle

    Test Prop weeks 1-4 at150mg -
    Test E weeks 1-4 at200mg
    Test E weeks 5-14 at350mg - Test E ill be pinning every Monday - Thursday mixed with the EQ
    Tren A weeks 1-10 at500mg - Tren ill be pinning everyday mixed with the Prop
    EQ weeks 1-14 at600mg
    HCG weeks 1-14 at 500iu a week Pinning every Monday - Thursday
    Nolva on hand incase of sides.

    HCG + Nolva + Clomid for PCT


    Ill be starting withing next 4 weeks, and ill be posting progress pics every 4 weeks after starting. I will post my before pics now

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    Running prop and tren a ed is a great cycle...IMO u need more test...Why run eq cause its a great product to add...Is there a difference between tren a and tren e..Hell yes there is a big difference!! Like is there a difference from Parabolan and tren a yes!
    If u have no prob inj ed or eod than do it...U will get much better results either with long or short esters...As for var and t/3 2different all together...if u do var do 75-100mg ed...u will get strong with min bloat...t3 100mcg ed is great the last 10weeks...no need to taper cause ur not taking it for 6-12months

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    hcg u can do at pct...the new rave is to do 500-1000iu ew during cycle...well think of this..ur shutting down with the synthetic AS....Ur not taking enough and its a waste for this regiment cause ur young and u will bounce back after this cycle with n o problem...save it for pct

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    yeah sweet, i dont mind pinning every day i did it last cycle for the tren ace, the EQ im using cause so far its my fav compound i got the most strength from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiralkut View Post
    Honkey Kong if your clueless stay out of my thread.

    Where in the world would you get a bulking cycle from test P, Tren A EQ and T3?
    I'd figure you were trying to bulk when you said:

    Cycle im looking at doing next is TestP / Tren A / EQ / T3 Looking to get to 250+lbs on this cycle keeping bodyfat at the same.

    I'm not clueless, I'm calling your bullshit though. By the way what effect did the EQ have on you?

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    What benefit to the board or new members is it if u tell them there BullShit?
    They ask these questions for a educated reply...Not to let u run them over...Is it ur prerogative to bash people?
    I see why I don't come here much cause of the drama from members that have 1000's of nonsense post!!

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    Let me educate U!!!
    EQ Gives lean bodymass and and lean look..It also helps with a shredded vein look..Its great for endurance also...Lil bit of ur medicine back...With 5k post u should already know this...and spend time helping instead of running new members off this board

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    keeping my bodyfat the same ..... where is the bulking in that???
    The EQ gave me nice gains and the most strength out of all the compounds ive tried. What bullshit am i talking by the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj220
    Let me educate U!!!
    EQ Gives lean bodymass and and lean look..It also helps with a shredded vein look..Its great for endurance also...Lil bit of ur medicine back...With 5k post u should already know this...and spend time helping instead of running new members off this board
    Let me educate you
    Diet and cardio does all that not EQ
    Best thing eq does is stop rust and squeaks on metal objects and acts as a good lubricant
    If I were OP I would use it to oil his bike chain.

    You've not once spoken of raised rbc or hemotocrit
    At Optimum doses need to use that crap and serious length of time needed red blood cells count would be stupid and blood would be thick as tar

    Yeah have fun with that fella

    Stop bashing respected members or time here will be short

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    eq is useless and the most of the guys who state different are being mislead by the other compounds within the stack, eq is weak and probably is the worse steroid for building muscle.

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    225 at 8% at 23? that's insane, I assume you compete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj220 View Post
    hcg u can do at pct...the new rave is to do 500-1000iu ew during cycle...well think of this..ur shutting down with the synthetic AS....Ur not taking enough and its a waste for this regiment cause ur young and u will bounce back after this cycle with n o problem...save it for pct
    This is not only wrong, youre giving 'advice' that will harm the victim.

    500iu per week of HCG is enough to keep the leydigs stimulated and will prevent HPTA shutdown in a healthy male running AAS. Telling people to allow shutdown of their natural HPTA 'because they are young and will bounce back' is ridiculous. They are risking TRT for the rest of their lives. HPTA shut down is not a normal part of a.human life cycle. That it starts up after total shutdown the high percentage of time that it does is phenomenal in itself but there's no guarantee. There are many other reasons to keep your HPTA functioning, too.

    If you don't know what youre talking about, keep your 'advice' to yourself. Please.
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    OP: Stats = 23 years old, 6ft, 225lbs, 8% BF PCT

    So where's those before pics you promised?

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    Will post pics once im home sorry for delay, the reason why I like the eq is because it gavw me more strength then the tren and I cycled it before the tren as well, you bring up a good point about the red blood cell coumt would there be a way to counteract it

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    What suggestion would you guys give as a replacement for the eq

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiralkut View Post
    What suggestion would you guys give as a replacement for the eq
    Hey bud I would suggest masterone I had a amazing prop tren a masterone propionate cycle was great gains and fat loss while bulking bring it in at 100-150 mg eod. I'm doing similar cycle again next how ever I'm using masterone tren test and boldenone how ever tren kills my appetite bad where I'm hoping boldenone will help me eat better and I'm pre comp diet so much more serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiralkut View Post
    Will post pics once im home sorry for delay, the reason why I like the eq is because it gavw me more strength then the tren and I cycled it before the tren as well, you bring up a good point about the red blood cell coumt would there be a way to counteract it
    You can't counteract production of RBC on AAS but you can donate blood to help control it.

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    masteron scares me with the hair loss

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiralkut View Post
    masteron scares me with the hair loss
    Haha yea it will slightly go to doctors and get finastride for the docs or your supplyer

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    DHT only makes you lose hair prematurely of youre already susceptible to MPB. If your mothers father went bald young, chances are you will too. Research shows that it follows the maternal line and often skips a generation.

    I'm 43 and have used sten and masteron . I used to use sten a lot in my 20's for strength and hardness. Masteron was just this past january-march. I still have a full head of hair. We didn't have alpha reductase inhibitors back then either, which may or may not work IDK (ie propecia)

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    Yeah i had already started thinning since age 18 but am half way through my laser hair therapy program which cost 2grand so i dont want to stuff that up and start losing my hair again. The Test P and Tren A was fine cause i did that cycle while on my laser therapy

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    apparently i need 25 posts before i can post links to my photos

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    only need 2 more posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiralkut View Post
    Yeah i had already started thinning since age 18 but am half way through my laser hair therapy program which cost 2grand so i dont want to stuff that up and start losing my hair again. The Test P and Tren A was fine cause i did that cycle while on my laser therapy
    Tren a is the most extreme on hair by a long shot bud

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    Some old threads here but I don't see why that would make them any less valid today:

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...renbolone.html

    Interesting posts in that where 2 people said tren made them grow more hair...

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...hair-loss.html

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...e-acetate.html

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