My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[jolter604]

Man u are lost Google mixing hcg steroids .

Pretty much I add 1ml or 1 cc.
Or 2 for 10,000 iu
The if u have 5000iu u dividethe iu by 100 for 1 cc or 200 for 2 cc.

So 1 cc and 5000 iu would be
500iu per 1/10th cc
Or 250iu per 10th if u use 2cc

[andrea311]

Man u are lost Google mixing hcg steroids .

Pretty much I add 1ml or 1 cc.
Or 2 for 10,000 iu
The if u have 5000iu u dividethe iu by 100 for 1 cc or 200 for 2 cc.

So 1 cc and 5000 iu would be
500iu per 1/10th cc
Or 250iu per 10th if u use 2cc

No man, I think you are lost lol
Did you even understand what my question was? I was not asking for directions/doses to mix hcg.

Plus, that way is way too concentrated. I’d rather mix 5CC in a 5,000 unit vial.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

IMO you can share the name but not that I am the last word , but HCG is pretty easy to find right from the foreign manufacturer . I and many members have been buying HCG from the same place and the guy even has a FACEBOOK page ..... From my experience the water that comes with the HCG I have bought in the past has had a 10ml vial of sterile water with it that i trash and use Bac water because it stays good longer and you can save money by reconstituting 10,000 iu's and use daily and not worry about going bad .............

Since I am just an old member I will let one of the knowledgeable members help you with finding the site . Good luck and remember the old Tim McGraw song :" Humble and Kind " if you do there are more assets and wise old dogs on this forum that will be willing to assist you but you come around here and get all cocky and guys will let you trip all over your own dick and learn things the hard way as you mentioned when humility will save you a bunch of $$$$$

I got a joke for you to ponder :
There are these 2 bulls sitting on a hill looking out over a pasture full of cows ; the young bull all excited looks up to the old bull just gazing at the pasture all calm and says "HEY WHY DON'T WE RUN DOWN THE HILL AND SCREW ONE OF THOSE COWS ! " . The old bull casually looks over at the young bull and says " Why don't we walk down the hill and screw them all ? "

When this makes sense in life ; to you and your journey through navigating this form and your quest for knowledge in the world to healthy living you will have matured greatly .

PS : guidelines for reconstitution of 5000 iu's & 10,000 iu's is a sticky in the TRT section

[andrea311]

IMO you can share the name but not that I am the last word , but HCG is pretty easy to find right from the foreign manufacturer . I and many members have been buying HCG from the same place and the guy even has a FACEBOOK page ..... From my experience the water that comes with the HCG I have bought in the past has had a 10ml vial of sterile water with it that i trash and use Bac water because it stays good longer and you can save money by reconstituting 10,000 iu's and use daily and not worry about going bad .............

Since I am just an old member I will let one of the knowledgeable members help you with finding the site . Good luck and remember the old Tim McGraw song :" Humble and Kind " if you do there are more assets and wise old dogs on this forum that will be willing to assist you but you come around here and get all cocky and guys will let you trip all over your own dick and learn things the hard way as you mentioned when humility will save you a bunch of $$$$$

I got a joke for you to ponder :
There are these 2 bulls sitting on a hill looking out over a pasture full of cows ; the young bull all excited looks up to the old bull just gazing at the pasture all calm and says "HEY WHY DON'T WE RUN DOWN THE HILL AND SCREW ONE OF THOSE COWS ! " . The old bull casually looks over at the young bull and says " Why don't we walk down the hill and screw them all ? "

When this makes sense in life ; to you and your journey through navigating this form and your quest for knowledge in the world to healthy living you will have matured greatly .

PS : guidelines for reconstitution of 5000 iu's & 10,000 iu's is a sticky in the TRT section

Thank you so much for your reply and for your help. But I'm a bit confused man. When did I get "all cocky"? Trust me, I'm "kind and humble" to whom is kind and humble to me. (You can see my previous comments ever since I joined this forum, ALWAYS humble and eager to listen to the "old guys" and learn.) Seems fair right? But if someone tells me "man you're lost" without even bothering to try and understand what I was asking, well that doesn't seem kind and humble to me I might be wrong though. That's just my opinion.

As for the guidelines for reconstitution: This is the thread I'm referring to. https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...njections.html
And it says 5 CC's of bacteriostatic water into a 5,000 unit vial. So you're saying these guidelines are wrong?

The brand: it's Mactr**in. But it doesn't say whether it's sterile or bacteriostatic water. So I guess it's just sterile water? That was my doubt...

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thank you so much for your reply and for your help. But I'm a bit confused man. When did I get "all cocky"? Trust me, I'm "kind and humble" to whom is kind and humble to me. (You can see my previous comments ever since I joined this forum, ALWAYS humble and eager to listen to the "old guys" and learn.) Seems fair right? But if someone tells me "man you're lost" without even bothering to try and understand what I was asking, well that doesn't seem kind and humble to me I might be wrong though. That's just my opinion.

As for the guidelines for reconstitution: This is the thread I'm referring to. https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...njections.html
And it says 5 CC's of bacteriostatic water into a 5,000 unit vial. So you're saying these guidelines are wrong?

The brand: it's Mactr**in. But it doesn't say whether it's sterile or bacteriostatic water. So I guess it's just sterile water? That was my doubt...

I would say that is correct for reconstitution but I have never purchased that small of an amount at one time cost is near the same at the old 123BUYHCG (new name now same site or same guy selling) [he has a Facebook page and advertises HCG Diet] for 5000iu's or 10,000iu's . I am thinking I always buy Keruig and in 10,000iu's for $45.00 + shipping so I buy 4 at a time and keep as powder in the fridge until I am out and I take daily or EOD 365 a year . @ 1 tic on a 1ml syringe .

[nathanryan89]

Wow this is amazing information. Thanks

[AwareXx]

What a great thread this is, I am a silent reader of this forum and I can say how active the community here. Cheers!

[Ectomorph71]

Wow. That is absolutely the gospel for base knowledge ! Easy to read and understand. Excellent reference. Thank you !

[SilverBack G's]

Wow ! Extremely helpful thankyou for putting so much effort into this post. extremely well done and gave me a lot to think about.

[PJH111]

Wow this is awesome! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this.

Just to clarify, the items needed for first cycle would be Arimidex and hcg along with the steroid itself and that’s it? Along with a proper pct

[beanpo1e]

As a 30 y/o male looking at a first cycle, if I have always been a skinny guy and never struggled with weight, would a SERM be more appropriate for me than a SARM during my cycle? Is it reasonable to think I would tolerate higher estrogen levels better?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I think you may mean:
Should you use a SERM vs an AI.

[beanpo1e]

Thanks, that is what I meant.

[austinite]

Stay powerful cycle starters! You got this!

[kelkel]

Stay powerful cycle starters! You got this!

I need help but you never call me anymore.....

[MakoShark]

Hey, everybody. Obviously I’m new here and am prepared to start my first cycle. I’ve been researching for what seems like years before I’ve decided to go for it. I have been lifting (at times competitively) for about 12 years. I have also been a professional athlete for the past 10+ years and once I hang them up, I’ll be starting my first cycle.

My diet has been on point for years due to my profession and my base is pretty solid. I have read the “my first cycle” sticky and really absorbed the information. My metrics are as follows:
30 years old
6’3
205
Hover between 7-10%BF
Last bod pod was ~60%MM

After all the research and advice I am split between one of these two cycles. Just hoping to hear which one you guys would suggest/prefer.

Week 1-10 - 100mg-150mg test prop EOD
Week 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-10 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)
OR
Week 1-10 Test E 250mg 2xweek (500mg/week total)
Week 1-10 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-10 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)

PCT 4 weeks
Week 1 clomid 75mg nolvadex 40mg
Week2-4 clomid 50mg nolvadex 20mg
Week 1-4 Arimidex .25mg EOD
Week 1-4 HCG 250iu 2xweek (500iu total)

NAC and Milk Thistle Every day

One other thing I’m extremely tempted to do is add Anavar (Week 6-10 anavar 50mg/day) or Winstrol (Week 5-10 - 50mg/day winstrol) to the cycle but I know everyone says Test only for first cycle.

Any and all feedback is appreciated. Just looking to be on the right path.
Thanks

[beanpo1e]

Something I've seen is that more people are moving away from taking Arimidex by default, but still having it on hand. Idea being that the estrogen that is aromatized is anabolic and beneficial to a certain extent and you want to see what kind of sides you develop to test before automatically adding an AI.

[Gallowmere]

Something I've seen is that more people are moving away from taking Arimidex by default, but still having it on hand. Idea being that the estrogen that is aromatized is anabolic and beneficial to a certain extent and you want to see what kind of sides you develop to test before automatically adding an AI.

This is definitely accurate, and frankly, even if estrogen didn’t help the anabolic process (it does), proactively throwing extra drugs at a problem that may not even exist is almost never a good idea.
Everybody worried to death about the liver impact of oral anabolics, but taking fucking ancillary drugs like Tic-Tacs, forgetting that all oral drugs have liver impacts. Some are just much worse than others (looking at you acetaminophen).

[Littlearnie]

I came here to learn how to cycle properly over a year ago. I did test/eq with 250iu twice a week. I know what it does and it seems great.
But it still isn’t common practice. Why?

Also I’m planning to do blast and cruise for abit so I have been reading up as much info as I can. I’m going to do the first “blast” as test only. I

I’ve been watching a lot of the “docs” on YouTube. Anabolic doc and a doc called jay something has videos on hcg .
Anabolic doc says he never has anyone hcg and test together but states the old way as hcg for pct.
I’m not sure though however if he’s just referring to the guys he’s trying to fix, Instead of those still cycling?
Also the other one jay cutler I think he’s name is says how you can’t mix oil and water base. I did my first 16 week cycle and mix oil and water base (test,eq,hcg) with jo problems as that’s what’s stated here in the first cycle thread.

So why is there still so much conflicting info?

I also plan to add 250iu every 3 days for the next 9/10 months with my b&c. Would just like to hear some opinions.

[mayhemike]

Cycle questions:
I’m a 43 yo male 5’10 185 lbs 16% bf that has been on trt through a doctor for about 5 Years. I’m at about 210 test weekly with half a pill (1/2 mg) of anastrozole in following day and day after. I was looking to add a small amount of oral anavar for cutting. This would be my first time taking anavar. I’ve taken several cycles of tren e & eq, with test in the past. But since anavar is new I wanted to get you guys experienced advice on it. I bought oxabolic 15 mg. Any help out there for a brother?

[jolter604]

Cycle questions:
I’m a 43 yo male 5’10 185 lbs 16% bf that has been on trt through a doctor for about 5 Years. I’m at about 210 test weekly with half a pill (1/2 mg) of anastrozole in following day and day after. I was looking to add a small amount of oral anavar for cutting. This would be my first time taking anavar. I’ve taken several cycles of tren e & eq, with test in the past. But since anavar is new I wanted to get you guys experienced advice on it. I bought oxabolic 15 mg. Any help out there for a brother?

Man anavar is a long term thing for me.
I have split doses and taking them all pre workout.
Depends on what you want to invest in.
For me best results were 15 morning 30 pre workout 15before bed it has a 8 hr life.
But my favorite was just talking 50mg pre workout I got amazing pumps and still seen noticeable changes with out the stress of taking off to work and forgot morning dose.

Food is everything!!!

[mayhemike]

Thanks for your reply. I’m not trying to get hulk but cut it up maintaining the gains I’ve earned. For diet I’ve been doing carnivore and it honestly has been perfect for my body

[jolter604]

Thanks for your reply. I’m not trying to get hulk but cut it up maintaining the gains I’ve earned. For diet I’ve been doing carnivore and it honestly has been perfect for my body

You could get the extra help from just adding masteron .
I have been using 250mg test and 250 mg master e.
Sounds like a low dose but on trt I can feel the difference and it's a hell of a lot cheaper.

Food is everything!!!

[TheDreamer]

Is raloxifene available at the pharmacies without prescriptions?

[jolter604]

Is raloxifene available at the pharmacies without prescriptions?

Man I would not think so.
I found a site that is not a source or any steroids . Just prescription drugs that are not prescribed in there country and takes 4-6 weeks but is dirt cheap.
It's called reliablrx
You have to use the real names like viagra is sylidafil I think.
Aromasin is Exemestane and so on.

Food is everything!!!

[Meow_Wolf]

Should you cut Creatine during cycle?

[Meow_Wolf]

Great nutritional info with the formulas..

[Meow_Wolf]

Stick with test only first cycle. You'll have plenty of time in the future to add and experiment. Figure out how your body reacts to each item first before stacking more.

[tinymuscles]

Do you recommend i hold off on the AI and see how my body aromatizes before i start taking it and wait for symptoms

[Chark]

Do you recommend i hold off on the AI and see how my body aromatizes before i start taking it and wait for symptoms

You're going to get different answers as there are different opinions on this and we are all our own personal experiences. I know a couple of guys here that have mentioned that they can't get by even on smaller doses without an AI. There's other guys here that can let their estrogen go sky high without any issue. I think we would all agree it's bad to use drugs unnecessarily and it's good to learn our bodies. If this will actually be your only cycle or two (which it probably won't be) you could just run the AI and not think about it too much. The issue you might get into is that you're going to keep adding onto with each future cycle and if you always run an AI you'll never learn at what dose your body is fine. You might be ok with that but while it can be beneficial in one aspect it certainly isn't good for your health to use AI's. Estrogen is neuroprotective. This isn't meant to be anti-AI, just something to consider when making your decision. Good luck!

[Fit4Florida]

So many of my questions answered in 1 post. Excellently laid out and full of good stuff! Thanks so much for the guidance. I am prepping for my 1st cycle in 17 yrs and thought I was pretty well researched but you brought up 2 or 3 topics I haven’t even considered …..thanks again….

[VRN4]

This is great. Thank you so much for the consideration and time you put into this - huge help for new starters when so much out there can be confusing!

[Fit4Florida]

This thread has been such a valuable tool for me, I’ve done a lot of research and asked a lot of questions. The information in this thread puts the info on such a user friendly format, perfect for a knucklehead like me! Thanks again

[simon2g]

Signed up and first thing I found was this so thank you to OP! Great info.

My first ever cycle I am wanting to try is as follows, goal is hulking but since it's my first cycle I don't want to stack anything other than anavar which I am considering stacking from Week 4 onwards to the end of the cycle.

I'm 6'1" 188lbs, 15% BF



Week 1: Test E 125mg/week
Week 2: Test E 125mg/week
Week 3: Test E 250mg/week (125 x 2)
Week 4: Test E 250mg/week (125 x 2)
Week 5: Test E " " + Anavar 10mg/day
Week 6: Test E 300mg/week (150 x 2) + Anavar 15mg/day
Week 7: Same as above
Week 8: Same as above


Only planning for an 8 week cycle at first... also the plans for upping Test e to 250 and 300mg will only be trials, if Ihave problems with 250mg 2ill stay at 125 and same for 300mg etc/anavar too.

PCT have nolvadex at usual dosages, will order anything else thst I need if I do think I need it but at this point this is my starting point.

Any criticisms and thoughts?

My thoughts to go with Anavar only last 4 weeks is to let my body get used to Test on its one like OP said. Eat a shipload to bulk over 4 weeks, then start with Anavar week 5 and continue eating alot but with that added benefit of cutting some fat too.

[flamincheeto]

Cheers, I've scrolled through quite a few forums, but none like this. This is hands down the absolute best and most thoroughly well written intro cycle guide I've come across. Great content!

[YoungBlood1977]

Amazing post, I have been away from this for far too long and this was the first thing i read unpon my return; is a reminder of soooo many things from my younger years when i was foolish and selfish. BRAVO and thank you for the info and solidification of things I remembered to be true and learned the hard way in my youth.

[SDTEST]

Salve, sono nuovo sul forum, mi alleno da 7 anni e credo di avere una buona conoscenza in termini di allenamento e dieta.
Al momento sono 169cm*80kg e ho intenzione di afre un primo ciclo.
Vorrei alcuni consigli in particolare per la gestione del post ciclo
ho intenzione di fare il ciclo per 10 settimane , seguito da 10 settimane di trt, e poi pct

ciclo 10week


500mg test ent
500mg masteron ent
500ui hcg

20mg/day cardarina

trt:
test e quanti mg??
Serve altro?

pct:

Clomid 75/50/50/50 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

grazie!

[jmb9272]

Ive just started my first cycle so im new to all this and utube has been very helpful but my guy has me taking 25 mg of Aromosin how much is that on a 1ml sryinge?? Ive looked online but no def answer plz help if u can. I m taking 300mg which i converted to .3 ml but online say 25mg is .0003??

[almostgone]

Ive just started my first cycle so im new to all this and utube has been very helpful but my guy has me taking 25 mg of Aromosin how much is that on a 1ml sryinge?? Ive looked online but no def answer plz help if u can. I m taking 300mg which i converted to .3 ml but online say 25mg is .0003??

Not likely you have injectable Aromasin . Also, it's not a good idea to use your complete email address as a username. You'll get more spam and scam than you can shake a stick at.

I would advise you to really go back and study this thread. No insult, but you're not quite up to speed yet in regards to what you're trying to do.

[Birdssb]

Great information. It’s been a few years since I’ve pinned. Good refresher as I plan now.