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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankdtank View Post
    thanks alot kel,i kinda figured that,just know better than to assume anything when it comes to something like this,so i figured i ask. and as far as free-t,what is a "high normal' range? i only ask because of my buddy always saying his doc wants to keep him around 1000ngs of total-t. my plan as of now is to see this doc then come back with all of my results and what he is suggesting,then depending on the feedback,take whatever appropriate actions i must to keep my doc in line with what is best for me.
    At or near the top of the range. If your buddy's doc keeps him around 1000 TT his FT is at or near the top of the range, assuming normal shbg levels. That said, TRT is about more than high levels. It's about healthy levels for you. Start low, titrate up based on blood work and try to find a healthy level where an AI is not needed, nor are frequent blood donations. TRT is about long term health.

    Cycling is a different world as you know.
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    Thanks a lot. reading the OP over and over again.

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    Wow, great info!

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    This is really good info for someone looking to start their first cycle. I’m looking to try a oral only cycle first and am debating what to do. I am terrible with needles and pass out when I get them so I feel as though this will be just a start, I will eventually get there but for now I want to go oral only. My question is with winny, I’ve read that the sides are minimal comapared to Diana and was hoping to build lean muscle through a 6 week cycle. I struggle to put on weight due to a fast metabolism but have bulked up after training for so long, I have been doing cycles of Sarms consisting of lgd 4033, yk-11 and cardarine, could I take lgd with winny for 6 weeks? I weigh 80kg and am 19 years old (yes I read your age warning) would I make good gains from winny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty.slater.7 View Post
    This is really good info for someone looking to start their first cycle. I’m looking to try a oral only cycle first and am debating what to do. I am terrible with needles and pass out when I get them so I feel as though this will be just a start, I will eventually get there but for now I want to go oral only. My question is with winny, I’ve read that the sides are minimal comapared to Diana and was hoping to build lean muscle through a 6 week cycle. I struggle to put on weight due to a fast metabolism but have bulked up after training for so long, I have been doing cycles of Sarms consisting of lgd 4033, yk-11 and cardarine, could I take lgd with winny for 6 weeks? I weigh 80kg and am 19 years old (yes I read your age warning) would I make good gains from winny?
    Scotty, please please do yourself a lifelong favor and don't run an oral only cycle. Hell at 19 you should not be running any cycle and taking the risk of not being able to restart your natural testosterone production but that's another story.

    Going back to non-test, oral only cycles. The first damn paragraph in section 6 of this original post reads:
    Regardless of whether this is your first cycle or not, oral only cycles should be avoided. Even if you've read that the compound is not very suppressive and/or toxic. Oral only cycle will lead to lethargy and a very poor state of mind. You'll be miserable once the compounds kick in and your results will suffer. This is very common and you'll see many folks say that they feel like terrible and unmotivated on cycle.

    Next thing, testosterone only for your first cycle. I'm sure you've heard this everywhere. Let me tell you why. As mentioned above, oral only cycles are a poor choice. That said, Testosterone should be your base for all future cycles.
    A more thorough explanation of why you should never run an oral, non-test cycle is here:
    https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...all-costs.html

    Running AAS compounds has serious and lifelong effects on your body. Even if run right you still risk permanent damage to your body's ability to produce testosterone naturally after cycle let alone running cycles the wrong way where you're sure fire guaranteed to do lasting damage.
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    Quick questions : I have Adex in 1mg tabs and they are way too tiny to split into 0.25 mg. What a suggested dose during the week ?

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    I am new to the site. 28 next month and about to start my first cycle. I am using Test E and everything you suggested in the way you suggested it. Only difference is I DO have dianabol on hand I am going to include in my cycle.
    Any suggestions on that dosages, start time stop time etc. I have 250 20mg tablets.
    Lastly I do NOT have the hcg . How detrimental is that? I do have everything else including anti est obviously and the PCT products you reccomended.
    Any advice is welcomed and appreciated. Thanks a lot glad forums like this exist!

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    Leave the dbol for your second cycle. Learn what test will do both for and to you before you add in other products. Dbol right now will only complicate things making it harder to discern what's to blame for potential sides. It's simply not necessary no matter what you read or are told by friends.

    HCG can be purchased on line quite easily. It's worth waiting for if you value your testicals and like improved odds of restarting your HPTA successfully.
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    Wow! I just learned so much reading this! I know about macros and TDEE; everything else was foreign so to speak!

    I will be referencing this quite a bit in the future as I'm 8-12 months away from starting any kind of cycle!

    Thank you for the educational post!

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    Quick question about the HCG . Would it be a bad idea to dose the HCG from weeks 8-11 at 500mg 3x/week and then 11-14 at 500mg 2x/week instead of doing 250 E3.5D throughout the entire 1-13.5 weeks? I know some people follow a protocol where they start HCG mid-end of cycle. The reason I was thinking this is because then I would be able to tell how my body is reacting to each compound like what is mentioned when talking about orals on the first cycle. Or is this not really a factor with HCG?

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    Think of it this way colt, is there any other body part you'd ignore or allow to wither away when you don't have to?
    It's simply safer to maintain function throughout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Think of it this way colt, is there any other body part you'd ignore or allow to wither away when you don't have to?
    It's simply safer to maintain function throughout.
    True. But how will I know if my body is reacting certain ways to the test vs the HCG if it is my first time with both?

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    Well, HCG is not AAS but it will keep your testicals functioning and help make pct more effective and efficient. Some guys like to wait until their cycle is over and do more of a Scally Power PCT (google it) but to me it simply smarter to use it all along as Austinites explaines.

    If you were starting TRT with no plan to restart then sure you could wait on the HCG and dial in with T first. But you plan on restarting so mimicking LH function via HCG is the better way to go. Plus it helps maintain downstream hormone production. You won't have any bad sides to minimal HCG usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Well, HCG is not AAS but it will keep your testicals functioning and help make pct more effective and efficient. Some guys like to wait until their cycle is over and do more of a Scally Power PCT (google it) but to me it simply smarter to use it all along as Austinites explaines.

    If you were starting TRT with no plan to restart then sure you could wait on the HCG and dial in with T first. But you plan on restarting so mimicking LH function via HCG is the better way to go. Plus it helps maintain downstream hormone production. You won't have any bad sides to minimal HCG usage.
    Yes that makes sense! I was thinking about doing Scally's PCT until I saw how much HCG it requires and it's just too costly for me.

    I guess my rationale was that if I see a spike in estrogen from taking both Test and HCG from the very beginning then I won't know which one is causing it more. But if I add in HCG later on and see an unfavorable spike in estrogen I will know to possibly lower the HCG amount or increase AI dosage. But I suppose that 250mg E3.5D probably isn't enough to cause any crazy sides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by coltdawg View Post
    But I suppose that 250mg E3.5D probably isn't enough to cause any crazy sides...

    Correct.
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    Last question. If you're doing HCG for an entire 12-14 weeks, how do you prevent the HCG from going bad/losing its potency? I know its supposed to only last about 30 days refrigerated.

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    30 days is old school dogma. It lasts far longer than that. I use mine for app. 90 days. It can start to lose potency after 60 days or so and if this bothers you simply add slightly more to each injection. Re potency, it's not like flipping a switch and it's useless. It's a slow degradation.
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    i can say that is best thread i have ever read concerning the AAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaspac View Post
    i can say that is best thread i have ever read concerning the AAS
    Be sure to read some of the other ones in Austinites Educational Articles Database.

    And welcome to the forum.
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    Wussgud iron brothers! I'm planning on starting my first cycle monday. Got blood work an I have 210 cholesterol and a hdl 74 and LDL 120, I'm thinking I was because of my horrible diet, so with that being said sould I wait before I start or would I be fine I will send a attachment of my BW. Lmk know what you guys think!

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    Great Thread! Appreciate all the Info!

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    Hey all. I am 45 male. 210 lbs. About 16% bf. Have lost about 40 lbs in past two months. Now I want to build muscle back and have never tried steriods . Really want to, but don't know here to begin. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utahutes View Post
    Hey all. I am 45 male. 210 lbs. About 16% bf. Have lost about 40 lbs in past two months. Now I want to build muscle back and have never tried steriods. Really want to, but don't know here to begin. Any help would be appreciated.
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    What is the best time of the day to take the nolvadex /clomid? Take all the pills at once or spread them out throughout the day? With or without food? Thanks!

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    Great read!
    Very informative for a newbie like myself.

    I will check out the rest also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coltdawg View Post
    What is the best time of the day to take the nolvadex/clomid? Take all the pills at once or spread them out throughout the day? With or without food? Thanks!
    Does not matter. Just try to be consistent with whatever time you take it daily.
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    I feel like i have time traveled from 2013 to the current day! 1429 posts and i read every one of them today: Austinite amazing work, and with the surprise ending with your first post since feb 2016 just a few days ago. The suspense was killin me. KelKel i feel like you're the friend i made along the way. . . both of you have the patience of saints. maybe reading it all at once compounded the. . . .frustration. . . but you both handled it all so well.
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    Ex mil who trained off and on for years until an I.E.D. super compressed my hips and gave me instant arthritis. put on a ton of weight , but at 38 i had enough and am down from 294 to 218 feeling strong and looking to run my first cycle (exactly as prescribed in the OP) thanks to this thread i have an appointment to get a bod pod done (either my area stinks for it or prices have jumped a bunch since prices were quoted here. 75 for one, a package of two for 120) I am close on the BF% so we will see if i need . . . yet more. . weight cutting before i can full go.
    i am more about gaining strength than anything else and obviously more muscle = more strength, but no one in the thread has really talked about power gains. Does anyone have any info anecdotal or not on how this specific cycle helped your strength? Also as a first timer will the cycle improve strength in smaller muscle groups, things like grip, and stabilization muscle along with major muscle groups or is the affect most noticeable only on the big guys?
    thanks for everything friends!
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    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by genelottery219 View Post
    Wussgud iron brothers! I'm planning on starting my first cycle monday. Got blood work an I have 210 cholesterol and a hdl 74 and LDL 120, I'm thinking I was because of my horrible diet, so with that being said sould I wait before I start or would I be fine I will send a attachment of my BW. Lmk know what you guys think!

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    your testosterone level is really good how old are you? more than double of my natural level
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonsterMMORPG View Post
    your testosterone level is really good how old are you? more than double of my natural level
    I'll be 38 in September

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    Just joined a few days ago and I've read this 3 times already. Validates a ton I've learned and gives me more to look into each time I read it. Huge help for this newbie. Thank you!
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    thanks for this educational talk

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    Read this for the 100th time now. Great guidelines.

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