Beware of UGL: Chemical Muscle - Worrisome Recent Events - Contaminated Gear

**Euroholic** · 11-14-2013, 04:50 AM

A member pm me once asking if i wanted to buy gear off him. I didn't reply i just sent a pm to times roman telling him of the events to deal with. I suggest others do the same.

**realgear** · 11-14-2013, 07:49 AM

Now I have to be honest also the gear was real just very contaminated with bacteria I mean that's like saying he had real coke is just had anthrax in it lol

**Lunk1** · 11-14-2013, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by realgear

Now I have to be honest also the gear was real just very contaminated with bacteria I mean that's like saying he had real coke is just had anthrax in it lol

I think you should also take some responsibility in the fact that you were using this place as a source board, literally begging anyone you could to sell you gear or provide you with a source.

**Zodiac82** · 11-14-2013, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I think you should also take some responsibility in the fact that you were using this place as a source board, literally begging anyone you could to sell you gear or provide you with a source.

im not sure if he was begging or not..but I recall in the ugl forum...there was one a out CM and mike openly said he would give out his source to anyone who wanted to kno...
thought it was strange that he blatantly said that

**Zodiac82** · 11-14-2013, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by realgear

First I would like to thank the staff and all these great member your words have really helped me through this time and thank you for taking out the trash.. I seen a question about what alerted me it was crazy I did my usual in the quads its easy for me to do my wife helps with the butt shot :-) but I did the quads myself pulled with an 18 shot with a 22 Cleaned vial with alcohol pad to make sure sterile and use two different pins one to pull and one pin I also used another alcohol pad to clean the area. Cause I know what some people may think Owe it wont happen to me he was probly using dirty pins HELL NO IM SUPER CLEAN and buy factory sealed stuff well it started out as a red bump a little thick tissue normal but the next day it itched like hell so I didn't scratch it of course but I did notice it was a little bigger but still ignored it 2 weeks later it went from the size of a quarter the size of a dollar bill I started to worry but still didn't go well guess what like a dumb ass I had took another shot in the glutes :-) well needless to say the same shit started happing back there and then my quads were so swollen I couldn't get my pants off my wife made me goto the ER where a disease control specialist came in and they ran multiple test on me and found out I had mercer which was active in my blood stream also known as going septic they said if it gets into bones or Heart or brain I would not make it out of there after 7 days of ****ing torture 2 iv's and constant antibiotics until they found what would kill this strand finally the swelling starting going down after they put a 3 inch cut into my quad and stuff it every day with cloth t keep it open then pulled the cloth out and restuffed it imagine that lol it felt like I was getting stabbed everyday and then last but not least getting two tubes stitched into your ass to let the pus drain out and you cant sit down@!@@ FIRST SIGN RED SWOLLEN FEVER HOT To the toUCH!!!! Listen even if you lie and say something like I first told them I was pulling carpet out of a house and an old sewing needle hit me in the leg GET HELP!!! please this was the worse pain ive ever had in my life oh and to let everyone know the tubes are out!!! Will I be using gear again I cant lie I will but I wont buy from just anyone ever again I played Russian roulette with my life.. And you know what made me trust Crazy Mike was his post count I thought in my head well hell someone with that many post must be a swell person and know what hes talking about MY ASS!!! HE DID everyone please be careful and remember don't use anything it could be mercer in a bottle called TEST E 300!!!

maybe meant for me??? thanks...good to kno what to look out for

**Black** · 11-14-2013, 08:58 AM

Stuff like this makes me want to start brewing myself, or at the very least re-filter everything that I get.

Even if you have a "trusted" source, most likely, you still don't really know them. As safe as they may seem or have been, anything can happen. It's a pretty scary thought.

**Zodiac85** · 11-14-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

Stuff like this makes me want to start brewing myself, or at the very least re-filter everything that I get.

Even if you have a "trusted" source, most likely, you still don't really know them. As safe as they may seem or have been, anything can happen. It's a pretty scary thought.

I often see people say that you shouldn't have to if you trust your source, but if its a UGL and you didn't see them prepare it I wouldn't trust them. I'm not sure why you would not sterilize and filter your ugl gear. $30 for a pressure cooker. Couple filters and vials <$20. Seems like a small investment for something with potentially huge consequences.

**Trevtrev** · 11-14-2013, 12:13 PM

Someone knowledgeable should post up a new thread on how to step by step properly filter and sterilize ugl gear.

**skindiesel** · 11-14-2013, 12:58 PM

Crazy. I would have to find the cause and give them Mrsa.

**Zodiac85** · 11-14-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Trevtrev

Someone knowledgeable should post up a new thread on how to step by step properly filter and sterilize ugl gear.

Tons of info in the lab forum on this subject. It's super cheap and everything you need can be ordered from the site sponsor (except the pressure cooker, $30 walmart).

**Black** · 11-14-2013, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zodiac85

Tons of info in the lab forum on this subject. It's super cheap and everything you need can be ordered from the site sponsor (except the pressure cooker, $30 walmart).

I'm definitely going to start doing this.

**Bonaparte** · 11-14-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Crazy Mike helping people? The only thing I ever saw him do was agree with any vet that had already offered sound advise and talk in circles.

I don't recall one single thread where he actually provided great advise...he just screamed it louder than others.

Exactly.
He was just a deranged old loud-mouth who parroted general wisdom with great self-importance.

**ghettoboyd** · 11-14-2013, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Exactly.
He was just a deranged old loud-mouth who parroted general wisdom with great self-importance.

I always felt the same way about him just didn't feel the need to say anything...im glad someone else felt the same, I was starting to think I was the crazy one cus I couldn't understand anything he said...

**kloter1** · 11-14-2013, 04:15 PM

chem was a big dog seller on one of my boards. havent heard good things..

**Lunk1** · 11-14-2013, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by kloter1

chem was a big dog seller on one of my boards. havent heard good things..

Love seeing some of you guys pop in with join dates of like 02-06 lol. Welcome home lol

**tectime** · 11-14-2013, 04:23 PM

Oh man you don't speak circle ! Hahaha! You know.... One little spec of info (usually from the post before ) then a bunch of blah blah" that's all I got to say " " right whoever " " im done with this cause you can't get it" then come back and post the same shit except never finish a sentence. Hahaha poor old dude just getting the shit kicked out of himself online! Oh we'll that's the way it goes ! Slips count in a bear fight ! Old mike just slipped and woke up as admin bear shit ! Haha !

**tdoe11** · 11-15-2013, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by realgear

Just so you know I don't care what anyone thinks thanks to chemical gear and mike my ass was literary cut into and my leg has a 3 inch cut into it where my infection started then my body went septic and finally I was about to die I was on 6 different antibiotics trying to find which one would kill the type of mrcer I had and finally 7 days later I was released from the hospital and able to go back home to my kids.. My wife squealed on me about using to the doc who asked for a sample and he promised he would not show to authorities where a form of cellulitis was growing in the chemical he said this stuff your using is breeding bacteria!!!! I want to tell all the people who helped me and prayed for me thank you im ready to goto the doc right now to get these things pulled out my ass and THANK YOU FOR GETTING RID OF THE TRASH MIKE AND CM!!!!!! I really appreciate it all.

Woah man. Daaaaaamn. I apologize for standing up for mike, I had no idea the situation was what it is, I hadn't been around in a few weeks. So sorry you are going through this bro. I am going to be praying for you and your family. Wholly smokes so sorry bud. Sorry I doubted the mods, to.

**EverettCD** · 11-15-2013, 11:19 PM

Thank you to the mods, staff & admin of the forum for doing the right thing & making the members well being a priority.

Realgear, prayers for you & your health. I hope you get well quickly. Hopefully the others effected by the bunk gear are healing quickly also.

**davidgen** · 11-16-2013, 01:19 AM

Yeah get well mate

**brazuka** · 11-16-2013, 03:02 AM

I have been using cm for 4 months now with no problems...

**EasyDoesIt** · 11-16-2013, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by brazuka

I have been using cm for 4 months now with no problems...

After everything that has been posted in this thread, i do not get the point of your post?

**brazuka** · 11-16-2013, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

After everything that has been posted in this thread, i do not get the point of your post?

Simply sharing my experience. I would like to hear other people's experience who use cm.That is if they would be willing to come out in the open after all the bashing and harassment that goes on when somebody has anything opposing to what a mod has to say. That is all.

If you do not wish to share your experience in the open I would appreciate it if you would do it through a private message. Inbox me because I have a good amount of money in this gear and haven't ran into any problems. Plus all this 'hidden conspiracy agenda' talk. I witnessed it and I'll be honest it was shady to me.

It's a warning take it or leave it right? Well I'd like to do my own research first and ask around and find different sources so I can formulate my opinion if these claims about this lab is true or not. No disrespect to anybody on here.

**EasyDoesIt** · 11-16-2013, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by brazuka

Simply sharing my experience. I would like to hear other people's experience who use cm.That is if they would be willing to come out in the open after all the bashing and harassment that goes on when somebody has anything opposing to what a mod has to say. That is all.

If you do not wish to share your experience in the open I would appreciate it if you would do it through a private message. Inbox me because I have a good amount of money in this gear and haven't ran into any problems. Plus all this 'hidden conspiracy agenda' talk. I witnessed it and I'll be honest it was shady to me.

It's a warning take it or leave it right? Well I'd like to do my own research first and ask around and find different sources so I can formulate my opinion if these claims about this lab is true or not. No disrespect to anybody on here.

I have no experience with them. I would just hate to see someone that may have their gear who is now not going to use it, turn around and use it, then end up with a problem.

**brazuka** · 11-16-2013, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

I have no experience with them. I would just hate to see someone that may have their gear who is now not going to use it, turn around and use it, then end up with a problem.

I hear you man this whole situation sucks. Your concern shows you have good intentions.

**brazuka** · 11-16-2013, 03:56 AM

Hope everybody stays safe... im heading to bed now it's late. Should have been asleep a few hours ago but stumbled into this and no way I could have just ignored it for obvious reasons.

**Euroholic** · 11-16-2013, 05:17 AM

Im sure cm had gear that was good. But somewere along the line a batch got ruined now there name is tarnished. So be it ugls suck anyway.

**Bio-Active** · 11-16-2013, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Im sure cm had gear that was good. But somewere along the line a batch got ruined now there name is tarnished. So be it ugls suck anyway.

And obviously it's name should be tarnished after the recent events! I can't believe anyone would even consider using this product

**EasyDoesIt** · 11-16-2013, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Zodiac85

I often see people say that you shouldn't have to if you trust your source, but if its a UGL and you didn't see them prepare it I wouldn't trust them. I'm not sure why you would not sterilize and filter your ugl gear. $30 for a pressure cooker. Couple filters and vials <$20. Seems like a small investment for something with potentially huge consequences.

Famous last words, "I trust my source". That phrase is used to often and LOOSELY!

**EasyDoesIt** · 11-16-2013, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by jim230027

And obviously it's name should be tarnished after the recent events! I can't believe anyone would even consider using this product

They will probably re-brand with a new name. Bad news travels fast!

**MajorPectorial** · 11-16-2013, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Famous last words, "I trust my source". That phrase is used to often and LOOSELY!

I don't trust anything I haven't made my damn self. Simple as that.

**mikey hulk** · 11-16-2013, 09:00 AM

^^^ even at that it's hard to know if your raw hormone contains high levels of heavy metals

**mikey hulk** · 11-16-2013, 09:01 AM

Or other crap

**EasyDoesIt** · 11-16-2013, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by mikey hulk

^^^ even at that it's hard to know if your raw hormone contains high levels of heavy metals

Yeah, if anyone thinks China is selling high quality to a bunch of home brewers, there delusional.

**Hazard** · 11-16-2013, 09:20 AM

Lol there's pictures of the gear with shit in the vial..... Doctors tested it and its growing bacteria.

But who knows..... It could all be a conspiracy right?

**MajorPectorial** · 11-16-2013, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Lol there's pictures of the gear with shit in the vial..... Doctors tested it and its growing bacteria.

But who knows..... It could all be a conspiracy right?

Lolz. @ conspiracy. I'd rather still get my raws. Look for impurities during melt test n brew my own. Helluva lot safer than buying God only knows what. No infections for me thank you very much ;-)

**Matt** · 11-18-2013, 12:56 PM

We should all be reminded of this....

**austinite** · 11-23-2013, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Matt

We should all be reminded of this....

Agreed.

**songdog** · 11-23-2013, 10:32 PM

I really cant believe all the BS that came out of this thread.REALLY someone trying to help others by passing along wat happen to a member.People got to twist it around like they were a lawyer in court.We are here to help each other and we don't endorse anyone.And Ar-r and the Hrt clinic have nothing to do with wat is being discussed.That was a real lame statement.Hell if we are getting all these kick backs they forgot me!