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03-03-2017, 08:52 AM #41
Dont understand your question. I can tell you that if you at 30 (or at any age) have a consistent BP of over 180/100, the risk of having a heart or circulatory event in the near future is very high.
If you have you controlled BP the risk of a heart or circulatory problem, at any age, is very low.
But the risks are not only to heart, look here for the most important risks: Health Threats From High Blood Pressure
If your brother also have high BP he also needs to control it.
How you know when you have to take BP meds? High BP pressure is often called the silent killer, as it gives no indications or side effects of whats going on. But if you measure you BP and it is consistently high, you have to be really stupid not take action.
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03-03-2017, 09:25 AM #42
Of course you can do whatever you choose to, but if you post something here you need to be ready for ppl to give their opinion.
Deca or any nandrolone is good on "joints" because of its anti-inflammatory effect. Yes, it will also increase collagen synthesis, but so does many other anabolic steroids . Does the anti-inflammatory effect together with increase collagen synthesis be good for healing joints? Yes, for some conditions, but that doesnt mean it will heal it.
Then ppl dont properly diagnose the "joints" problem. What is a joint problem? Major joints in our body are knees, shoulders and hips. Most joint problems are not in the joint itself but in the tendons and ligaments that connect muscles, bones and joints, why do ppl call it joint problem?
If you have a real joint problem, you will probably be facing prosthetic joint replacement soon, as major joints are not healable, there no blood vessels in side the joint where the problems occurs.
Arthritis is another joint problem, its a degenerative disease. Most common types of arthritis are rheumatoid arthritis and gout.
Joint problems in bodybuilding usually means excessive use due to too much volume workouts.
Ppl over 40 often think they can train like in their 20's, or that they need to go to the gym everyday for it to be effective. Also see ppl to crazy stuff like 10 sets of bench press. I can guarantee it that if I do 10 bench press sets, no matter the intensity, I will have joint pain the next day.
What Im trying to say is, properly diagnose your problem, either being arthritis or some tendon pain. And then evaluate if it cant be fixed by changing your training method.
Going back to the deca, deca is wrong as a first cycle because it is very supressive and many guys have problem recovering from it. Also it can induce high prolactin which is something a 1st timer is likely not know how to deal with.
Also deca IMO, is wrong for ppl with injuries because its going to lower the pain, but not actually heal the problem, which after cycle will prove to be a mistake, when the pain comes back even worse.
The first time you use anabolic steroids you dont really know what to expect and how to deal with things, or even if you are going to be able (or want to) to do it more. You should do it in a easy (but effective) way, and testosterone is all you need for it. It is a shame if you have to deal with deca dick, or have to go on unwanted TRT cause of non recovery.
All the best.
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03-03-2017, 10:39 AM #45
I donated blood to bring down hematocrit levels. They put my brother on bp meds. He wont take them. He has even offered them to me. Ephedrine is a wonderful bodybuilding compound. It cuts fat and sheds water as well as being the best preworkout you will find, btw.it has also been known to increse skeletal muscle but I believe that to be a nervous energy factor.
Good info btw thank you for the link.
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03-03-2017, 10:56 AM #47
Look at the percentages and look up, the cycles people like this run. There are secretive ones but some where open about it. 2grams of test and tren a week will take your ass out of this world quickly. It is not bio friendly it will getcha. Its not a question and its not only high bp.
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03-03-2017, 11:28 AM #49
Oh I understand the point you're making and it's possibly true as professional BB'ing is in no way a healthy endeavor. My point is that all types of people die from the same things. People get lung cancer yet they've never smoked. Proponents of runners (think Jim Fixx who popularized jogging) die of heart attacks and so on. I just don't think we can directly point to and with certaintity say it caused their deaths. Maybe one day that will happen, especially with kids these day and the massive amounts they want to run without any care for their long-term health.
From the CDC, 610,000 people die from heart disease yearly. One in four, mostly men.Last edited by kelkel; 03-03-2017 at 11:31 AM.
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Thanks for your views,they are appreciated.
Regarding only been back for 5 weeks,i meant training in a proper gym.I have almost a metric tonne of olympic weights and bars at home,and a
good quality leverage multi.It's just that my motivation has improved dramatically,now i have access to a much bigger variety of equipment.
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Sorry,but i disagree.The water retention from use of deca does give joint relief,and as far as the glucosamine and msm are concerned,
i believe them to be nothing more than placebos,particularly,as i have tried them for long enough periods,without any positivity.
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03-03-2017, 11:51 AM #53
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03-03-2017, 11:56 AM #54
There are studies proving gluosamine. There are none saying deca lubricates a joint. Yes it alleviates swelling and pain. No lubrication. It is my favorite compound for my RA. If I stop taking it my pain will come right back. Four weeks i will tell you how 7 months of deca "healed" or "lubricated" my joints.
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If it's about how long you live,and there's the choice
of enjoying life,and taking risks,and chances are your lights go out at sixty,or eat,drink,and everything else as healthily as possible,and live to be a hundred,so
you can enjoy defecating in your pants,and putting the tv remote in the microwave,then i'll take the former everytime!
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03-03-2017, 12:14 PM #57
That's sort of like me. I was diagnosed and started on BP meds at 15. At 17 they added a beta blocker. At 20 they added another BP medication. I was very athletic and was a track and field star. But after renal tests, blood tests, and everything else, it was attributed to as hereditary and an anomaly for the most part. All the meds did kill my test levels and I was low T at a very young age.
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Time to get serious.
48 can be an advantage, if your joints are feeling good, your body's rested and the muscle your gain will be quality, not like when you were young. I know a lot of guys who thought that was when they got their best gains, in their 40's . Robby Robinson, Charles Glass, Arnold won his last Olympia in his fourties! Enjoy and good luck. I would take clomid and HCG at the end so you don't loose what you've gained if you're just doing the one cycle or you'll crash at the end and those joints will really hurt.
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Appreciate that friend.
What i still have is muscle memory,and because i've never really let myself go,i have always been in reasonable shape.
Never been into junk food,haven't touched alcohol for 30 years,lived pretty clean.Looking at my physique/reflection,in the gym,
i have more of the look of a sprinter/athlete,than a bodybuilder,because i'm tall and quite lean.
I'm not looking to gain huge overall size,just well sculpted muscles,the ones people don't really notice,till the shirt comes off.
It's not that easy,finding nice clothes,at the size i am now,so 10-15lbs os so,will more than do me.A friend of mine,is a 22 stone
strongman,and his clothing looks like pyjamas!
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03-03-2017, 06:39 PM #68
A man in mid-life thinking about doing steroids is facing a much different decision than a male entering adulthood.
I had a similar thread to this one a few months ago. Doc, or another member, pointed me to this article in Pubmed (or NCBI-or whatever its called, but it's great, and I now have an account).
Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
doi: 10.21037/tau.2016.03.03
The article does talk about Nanadrolone (Deca ) and links to other articles. In aggregate, the articles supported the general consensus from the thread a few months ago. Nandrolone increases IGF-1 which helps joints.
There is much Bro-Sci about deca lubing joints. No Bros have articles to prove support this however. IMO, The "wet" look that deca creates is extended to the idea that it "lubes" joints. No other explanation makes sense to me other than the common way in which people whose knowledge rests on a superficial level use words of convenience to describe ideas of which they do not fully grasp the complexities, and, in most cases, generally don't need too.
All that being said, nobody need fear for the future of middle-age men because they are capable of understanding the future, dealing with their own messes and are probably to old to listen. But, here is an exception, nobody wants steroids to be blamed for poor health. It is expected that men will own their decisions regardless of the mechanism of their success or demise.
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03-03-2017, 08:34 PM #72
Sorry but I disagree with you on these compounds. I've had shoulder issues due to heavy benching and squats for close to 30 years. I religiously take glucosamine, chondroitin and msm. Today my shoulders are pain free even consistantly benching well over 500 lbs. These compounds do not work overnight. It takes months to see results. If you took them correctly for a year you would see an improvement in your joints. They are far from being placebos. Say what you want but there are many people that swear by them.
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03-03-2017, 08:41 PM #73
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03-04-2017, 05:34 AM #79
I don't see the logic in using deca for joints,
Something I believe helps, but really can't prove,
but just feel there is ample enough anecdotal evidence on to believe in,
and then not use glucomsamine, chondroitin or gelatin, which is also, perhaps even more supported by evidence to help.
If you are allergic to glucosamine then only use chondroitin. If you don't use either then use gelatin. Just my thoughts on the issue.
And why the resistance to BP meds?
Beta blockers are poison that will eventually lead to diabetes type 2,
but who's talking about beta blockers for high BP? That's archaic.
ACE inhibitors or Ang2 antagonists will be sufficient for almost all BP issues related to AAS, and they are virtually side effect free.
AAS are directly coupled to upregulate Ang2 production anyways,
so I'd almost consider them like fish oil and vitamin C, lol.
To each their own though.
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03-04-2017, 07:20 AM #80
I just watched that entire video.
He pretty much said it: take BP meds and stay away from painkillers.
I'll say x2 to that, knowing first hand how pain killers fuck u up.
(To the degree that when I saw the video, the first thing I noticed was;
"That stare and facial movements, this guy has used serious amount of rec drugs!" I kid you not, and it's bad shit.)
(You can also see in the video, at one time when he's flexing, that he's got redness from injecting IV on one forearm.)
Kidney problems yeah. Ofcourse doing 3mls of AAS a day (unless dosed at 25mg/ml or something) isn't good. But the nr 1 reason he's kidneys shut down is untreated high BP along with high doses of acetaminophen/paracetamol IMO.
High BP is directly damaging the kidneys. Not to mention the heart.
Neglect it at your own peril.Last edited by DocToxin8; 03-04-2017 at 07:22 AM.
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