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    So duh, was concerned about some borderline readings I got from my home BP machine, took chance to check BP at pharmacy with one of those fancy machines, and this is what I got:



    Just how bad is this?


    Normally I land at 110-115 / 75-70.

    I don't recall systolic to have been that high since I was borderline obese with a bf of 35% or more, than was some years ago actually, diastolic was 100+ at the time also, however I gained some serious fat back lately because of poor diet, I believe bf to be 22-25% right now.

    In low T times too it used to get as high as 155/90, because of stress/anxiety, I'm experiencing some inner tension atm and that surely counts as a factor,

    gear I'm taking high-end TRT of 250 of TE with .5 weekly of AI, that put my levels at 1100 ng/dl, I don't feel my E2 being high, perhaps it could be too low even, but I do plan to reduce dose until no AI is needed, I don't feel healthy nor good this way.

    I'm on low dose ARB but it just seems to drive HR up in order to keep BP, getting also some migraines lately, maybe they are related maybe not.

    Pulled CBC counts, expecting results tomorrow, might need to donate.

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    Its definitely high. Mine 180/near110 rpr 99 for quite a bit. Kel put me on arginine and it helped a lot.

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    Attachment 169124 one of my recent readings. It floats around, I am a wound up individual though, I know it affect it a lot. I use inner turmoil as a tool to get things done. Most things actually.
    Lol! Bmi said I was obese...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    So duh, was concerned about some borderline readings I got from my home BP machine, took chance to check BP at pharmacy with one of those fancy machines, and this is what I got:



    Just how bad is this?


    Normally I land at 110-115 / 75-70.

    I don't recall systolic to have been that high since I was borderline obese with a bf of 35% or more, than was some years ago actually, diastolic was 100+ at the time also, however I gained some serious fat back lately because of poor diet, I believe bf to be 22-25% right now.

    In low T times too it used to get as high as 155/90, because of stress/anxiety, I'm experiencing some inner tension atm and that surely counts as a factor,

    gear I'm taking high-end TRT of 250 of TE with .5 weekly of AI, that put my levels at 1100 ng/dl, I don't feel my E2 being high, perhaps it could be too low even, but I do plan to reduce dose until no AI is needed, I don't feel healthy nor good this way.

    I'm on low dose ARB but it just seems to drive HR up in order to keep BP, getting also some migraines lately, maybe they are related maybe not.

    Pulled CBC counts, expecting results tomorrow, might need to donate.
    Only an ARB for BP management? Are you taking any related supps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    Only an ARB for BP management? Are you taking any related supps?
    It's a relatively new thing, I was already taking low dose telmisartan (ang2 blocker), but all it does is increase my HR by 10 points, so duh, not much of help in my case.

    I was also taking 5mg cialis daily, stopped a few days because I run out but just resumed today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Attachment 169124 one of my recent readings. It floats around, I am a wound up individual though, I know it affect it a lot. I use inner turmoil as a tool to get things done. Most things actually.
    Lol! Bmi said I was obese...
    That's a bit better. Do you have hypertension running in family? If arginine works for you cialis might also, they both go to improve the NO pathways.

    You might last more than you think.

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    Check it again today Bizzaro
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    Check it twice a day for a few days and see what's it like..

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    This is on 5mg cialis, it seems any attempt to bring it down forcefully results in reflex increase in HR, go figure.


    About bloodwork, liver and kidney are great, prolactin increased again and is up to 40 ng/ml,

    but was a bit disappointed about CBC, hematocrit actually lowered by 2% comparing to two months ago, right now is at 45.3%, this despite going up to 400mg weekly Test during March/April, was attempting a short blast, well don't know what to think.

    It's good though to see hemoglobin at 14.9, never been there before, actually down to 13 in January, IM B12 is doing some good there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
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    This is on 5mg cialis, it seems any attempt to bring it down forcefully results in reflex increase in HR, go figure.


    About bloodwork, liver and kidney are great, prolactin increased again and is up to 40 ng/ml,

    but was a bit disappointed about CBC, hematocrit actually lowered by 2% comparing to two months ago, right now is at 45.3%, this despite going up to 400mg weekly Test during March/April, was attempting a short blast, well don't know what to think.

    It's good though to see hemoglobin at 14.9, never been there before, actually down to 13 in January, IM B12 is doing some good there.
    Is it possible to stop cialis for a few days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post

    Is it possible to stop cialis for a few days?
    Please expand, not sure what you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Please expand, not sure what you mean.
    Your taking 5mg of cialis aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post

    Your taking 5mg of cialis aren't you?
    Yes, but just resumed today, I take 5mg before bed, I did run out in April.

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    There are many factors that could be causing this weight, diet cialis (as you already knew) it's not good to have this for prolonged period and time. I do know cialis can have an effect on BP so I would stop that for a few days to a week and see if it improves. Have you had e2 checked to be sure? In the mean time is start some cardio and try clean up the diet..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    There are many factors that could be causing this weight, diet cialis (as you already knew) it's not good to have this for prolonged period and time. I do know cialis can have an effect on BP so I would stop that for a few days to a week and see if it improves. Have you had e2 checked to be sure? In the mean time is start some cardio and try clean up the diet..
    I have been on same dosage of Test and no AI, yet BP was normal. Trouble commenced when started to gain fat, so yes that's the issue to target, I gained 20+ lbs of pure fat since January, and that obviously comes with increased aromatization.

    I didn't even bother check hormones as I plan to taper Test down.

    Was also planning to pop up at doc's office tomorrow and show him the bloodwork, maybe obtain an endo referral vial the local NHS, so that to attempt to have caber scripted... it seems the prolactin is there to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    I have been on same dosage of Test and no AI, yet BP was normal. Trouble commenced when started to gain fat, so yes that's the issue to target, I gained 20+ lbs of pure fat since January, and that obviously comes with increased aromatization.

    I didn't even bother check hormones as I plan to taper Test down.

    Was also planning to pop up at doc's office tomorrow and show him the bloodwork, maybe obtain an endo referral vial the local NHS, so that to attempt to have caber scripted... it seems the prolactin is there to stay.
    I'd still check hormones just to get a clear picture depending on your doc he may give you you the blood test you need...

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    Bizarro, as much as i hate to say it, you got to get doctoral help on this one. I don't always trust those machines at the pharmacy, but this is worth looking in to. Don't mess around with BP issues, trust me. If you have to be put on meds, do it without hesitation and don't miss a dose ever. I'm always overly cautious with hypertension because I've had some scary instances. Go to the Dr and don't try to self diagnose or throw temporary herbs at it. Get this fixed asap and treated by a professional

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    Bizarro, as much as i hate to say it, you got to get doctoral help on this one. I don't always trust those machines at the pharmacy, but this is worth looking in to. Don't mess around with BP issues, trust me. If you have to be put on meds, do it without hesitation and don't miss a dose ever. I'm always overly cautious with hypertension because I've had some scary instances. Go to the Dr and don't try to self diagnose or throw temporary herbs at it. Get this fixed asap and treated by a professional
    Well I don't have a problem with that if needed but thing is, I'm very young and no doc here will bother about a guy of 27 with a minor elevation in BP, actually ten millions over sixty in my country are affected by hypertension, it's so common it's normal.

    I was already lucky to get prescribed TRT despite it being a flop, but BP meds, I'm much more likely to get prescribed benzos (and I am actually).

    Besides, I managed to get my health straight once I can do this again, or at least stop from getting worse, I just need to enter the right mindset, my diet and exercise are way off atm, so there's lot of room to improve in, but first thing I need to get these hormones straightened out, too many mistakes have been done already.


    I believe if it was normal just some months ago (but also in March it wasn't bad) it can be fixed if the causative factors are controlled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    I'd still check hormones just to get a clear picture depending on your doc he may give you you the blood test you need...
    I get what I need at a private lab, no script required. E2 sensitive it's not available here, and that's one huge problem.

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    Def too high for my taste

    That's even higher than where I was on my last Tren E run(I sat right around 150-155/80-85)

    Specially considering you're aren't on heavy gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Def too high for my taste

    That's even higher than where I was on my last Tren E run(I sat right around 150-155/80-85)

    Specially considering you're aren't on heavy gear
    Tren never affected my BP, ironically.

    I don't know how much gear has to do with this, I had those readings of yours even with low T, but was all stress and anxiety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    That's a bit better. Do you have hypertension running in family? If arginine works for you cialis might also, they both go to improve the NO pathways.

    You might last more than you think.
    Most of my ancestry got hypertension in old age. My brother and I got it young. His is about the same as mine but his body has been through more than is believable.
    I have considered cialis. I have also been advised to go to the doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Well I don't have a problem with that if needed but thing is, I'm very young and no doc here will bother about a guy of 27 with a minor elevation in BP, actually ten millions over sixty in my country are affected by hypertension, it's so common it's normal.

    I was already lucky to get prescribed TRT despite it being a flop, but BP meds, I'm much more likely to get prescribed benzos (and I am actually).

    Besides, I managed to get my health straight once I can do this again, or at least stop from getting worse, I just need to enter the right mindset, my diet and exercise are way off atm, so there's lot of room to improve in, but first thing I need to get these hormones straightened out, too many mistakes have been done already.


    I believe if it was normal just some months ago (but also in March it wasn't bad) it can be fixed if the causative factors are controlled.
    I've been on lisinopril since I was 15. Now at age 35, I'm on an ace inhibitor and another bp med. And I have to take bystolic and metropolol (2 beta blockers) daily. 5 different meds just to regulate my bp. Hypertension doesn't care about age. Get it fixed or you could suffer in the long run. It's better to be safe than sorry. You don't want to have worn out veins and arteries at 30!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    I've been on lisinopril since I was 15. Now at age 35, I'm on an ace inhibitor and another bp med. And I have to take bystolic and metropolol (2 beta blockers) daily. 5 different meds just to regulate my bp. Hypertension doesn't care about age. Get it fixed or you could suffer in the long run. It's better to be safe than sorry. You don't want to have worn out veins and arteries at 30!
    That's exactly what I wish to avoid, another whole stack of meds to control a problem that wasn't there just the day other, maybe caused by my own laziness or even other meds.

    I still suffer from relevant lethargy and was even considering long term treatment with (ar)modafinil, I wonder how I'd fare on beta-blockers, I'm even on T4+T3 for hypothyroidism, yet not even going hyperthyroid affected my BP.

    I'd be happy if I could throw something mild at it like ACE inhibitors or ARBs, however these only seem to trigger reflex tachicardia.

    I had indeed mild or pre- hypertension in my teens already (usually 140/90), yet I have always been told it was normal.

    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your responses, but I don't feel like a magic pill is the solution, also no one is going to prescribe it, or do you suggest I self-diagnose?

    There are so many ppl with hypertension here our public health system would collapse if we got all of them on meds lol, that's a thing docs have to consider.

    I'll check with GP tomorrow btw, but just out of curiosity, I can foresee him advising to restrict dietary salt, don't smoke, don't drink.

    I add very little salt if any, probably I'm under the RDI. I never drink, I don't smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    That's exactly what I wish to avoid, another whole stack of meds to control a problem that wasn't there just the day other, maybe caused by my own laziness or even other meds.

    I still suffer from relevant lethargy and was even considering long term treatment with (ar)modafinil, I wonder how I'd fare on beta-blockers, I'm even on T4+T3 for hypothyroidism, yet not even going hyperthyroid affected my BP.

    I'd be happy if I could throw something mild at it like ACE inhibitors or ARBs, however these only seem to trigger reflex tachicardia.

    I had indeed mild or pre- hypertension in my teens already (usually 140/90), yet I have always been told it was normal.

    Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your responses, but I don't feel like a magic pill is the solution, also no one is going to prescribe it, or do you suggest I self-diagnose?

    There are so many ppl with hypertension here our public health system would collapse if we got all of them on meds lol, that's a thing docs have to consider.

    I'll check with GP tomorrow btw, but just out of curiosity, I can foresee him advising to restrict dietary salt, don't smoke, don't drink.

    I add very little salt if any, probably I'm under the RDI. I never drink, I don't smoke.
    Tell your doctor that you you've already tried to self help before seeking his advice. Tell him you cut added Sodium about 3 weeks ago and your not a big drinker and don't smoke. You should definitely get rid of some weight though. Slightly off topic but what t3/T4 are you on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Tell your doctor that you you've already tried to self help before seeking his advice. Tell him you cut added Sodium about 3 weeks ago and your not a big drinker and don't smoke. You should definitely get rid of some weight though. Slightly off topic but what t3/T4 are you on?
    125mcg T4 + 20mcg T3, these are pharma grade and prescribed, I get them for free at pharmacy.

    I used to take up to 40mcg T3, that procured me some issues with my TSH being 0, but not anything BP related, not even HR was raised, I plan to reduce dose further, because I'm finding myself more and more intolerant to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    125mcg T4 + 20mcg T3, these are pharma grade and prescribed, I get them for free at pharmacy.

    I used to take up to 40mcg T3, that procured me some issues with my TSH being 0, but not anything BP related, not even HR was raised, I plan to reduce dose further, because I'm finding myself more and more intolerant to it.
    Alright I was curious because I know I few people with hyperthyroidism and doctors will only prescribe T4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    So duh, was concerned about some borderline readings I got from my home BP machine, took chance to check BP at pharmacy with one of those fancy machines, and this is what I got:




    Just how bad is this?


    Normally I land at 110-115 / 75-70.

    I don't recall systolic to have been that high since I was borderline obese with a bf of 35% or more, than was some years ago actually, diastolic was 100+ at the time also, however I gained some serious fat back lately because of poor diet, I believe bf to be 22-25% right now.

    In low T times too it used to get as high as 155/90, because of stress/anxiety, I'm experiencing some inner tension atm and that surely counts as a factor,

    gear I'm taking high-end TRT of 250 of TE with .5 weekly of AI, that put my levels at 1100 ng/dl, I don't feel my E2 being high, perhaps it could be too low even, but I do plan to reduce dose until no AI is needed, I don't feel healthy nor good this way.

    I'm on low dose ARB but it just seems to drive HR up in order to keep BP, getting also some migraines lately, maybe they are related maybe not.

    Pulled CBC counts, expecting results tomorrow, might need to donate.
    How big are your arms? If (and I assume they are) larger than average male, I would not trust a home bp machine at all, nor the pharmacy one if it is a tight fit to begin with. You need a manual pressure taken with an XL cuff to get accurate readings. Nurses can typically do this and there shouldn't be any charge for it. I would not relate increased HR to ARB. Anything above 140/90 is doing some kind of damage to your arteries, kidneys and other systems, albeit minor at that reading. The damage incurred goes up significantly with elevated pressures. Most people's bodies will accommodate the slow rise in pressure so do not become symptomatic, but if it is an acute rise you can feel headache/pressure, become flushed, have chest tightness, etc. The problem with the body accommodating the elevated pressures (which typically occur more gradually over time, even months we can be asymptomatic) is a lot of damage for down the road (stroke, kidney failure, heart attack, retinopathy, etc.) is occurring without symptoms. Bad outcome. I would suggest rechecking pressure with XL cuff on 2-3 occasions and then readdressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ View Post
    How big are your arms? If (and I assume they are) larger than average male, I would not trust a home bp machine at all, nor the pharmacy one if it is a tight fit to begin with. You need a manual pressure taken with an XL cuff to get accurate readings. Nurses can typically do this and there shouldn't be any charge for it. I would not relate increased HR to ARB. Anything above 140/90 is doing some kind of damage to your arteries, kidneys and other systems, albeit minor at that reading. The damage incurred goes up significantly with elevated pressures. Most people's bodies will accommodate the slow rise in pressure so do not become symptomatic, but if it is an acute rise you can feel headache/pressure, become flushed, have chest tightness, etc. The problem with the body accommodating the elevated pressures (which typically occur more gradually over time, even months we can be asymptomatic) is a lot of damage for down the road (stroke, kidney failure, heart attack, retinopathy, etc.) is occurring without symptoms. Bad outcome. I would suggest rechecking pressure with XL cuff on 2-3 occasions and then readdressing.
    Thank you for this. My arm barely fits in the cuff at the machine I use and I mean barely. I will recheck with a different machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Thank you for this. My arm barely fits in the cuff at the machine I use and I mean barely. I will recheck with a different machine.
    It will probably require a manual test. Again, should be easy to find some place to test it for you - PCP office for BP check only, health fair, fire departments will actually test it and they will know right cuff size and give you accurate reading. It may still be elevated but you will have a better idea of how aggressive you need to be.
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    Well these blood pressures would scare me to death.

    Tighten up those diets, I know almost for a fact, your not managing cholesterol as you should and starchy, sugary, saturated fat foods.

    If we want to use these steroids , we gotta 110% be diligent on diet.

    90% careful just won't cut it. Give it all the attention needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Well these blood pressures would scare me to death.

    Tighten up those diets, I know almost for a fact, your not managing cholesterol as you should and starchy, sugary, saturated fat foods.

    If we want to use these steroids , we gotta 110% be diligent on diet.

    90% careful just won't cut it. Give it all the attention needed

    I completely agree with this

    Throughout the last year or so I have been focusing on longevity of my juiced self. Pretty much working out a complete regimen to counteract the AAs negative aspects. Now, I srsly do more for counteractive measures than the juice itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ View Post
    How big are your arms? If (and I assume they are) larger than average male, I would not trust a home bp machine at all, nor the pharmacy one if it is a tight fit to begin with. You need a manual pressure taken with an XL cuff to get accurate readings. Nurses can typically do this and there shouldn't be any charge for it. I would not relate increased HR to ARB. Anything above 140/90 is doing some kind of damage to your arteries, kidneys and other systems, albeit minor at that reading. The damage incurred goes up significantly with elevated pressures. Most people's bodies will accommodate the slow rise in pressure so do not become symptomatic, but if it is an acute rise you can feel headache/pressure, become flushed, have chest tightness, etc. The problem with the body accommodating the elevated pressures (which typically occur more gradually over time, even months we can be asymptomatic) is a lot of damage for down the road (stroke, kidney failure, heart attack, retinopathy, etc.) is occurring without symptoms. Bad outcome. I would suggest rechecking pressure with XL cuff on 2-3 occasions and then readdressing.
    Nope size isn't an issue... about the machines, they look reliable enough. A single measurement takes almost two minutes.

    Symptoms I do have them, especially when other factors stack like poor E2 control, I'd feel like my chest is going to blow up just with moderately paced walking, also I was getting some nasty migraines lately.

    I'm also aware of the damage that could be done long term, I see it every day with ppl with long standing hypertension/metabolic disease, I can also add I have these in my genetic, so I need to be extra careful with diet and cardio and attempt to maintain a low %bf .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Well these blood pressures would scare me to death.

    Tighten up those diets, I know almost for a fact, your not managing cholesterol as you should and starchy, sugary, saturated fat foods.

    If we want to use these steroids , we gotta 110% be diligent on diet.

    90% careful just won't cut it. Give it all the attention needed
    100% agree with this.

    I'm not easily scared lol, maybe that's my problem. Most of the time I feel so mellow I just don't care.
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    Where's BB?

    I need his pantomime about carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post

    100% agree with this.

    I'm not easily scared lol, maybe that's my problem. Most of the time I feel so mellow I just don't care.
    My little single test only cycle had me at 155/80 pulse at 85 resting

    Before cycle I was "shocking my doctor" smoking a 1.5 packs a day at a bp of 102/60. Wentvhigh on cycle. After pct, back to 99/60

    And I managed all things well

    Aas has far greater impact than most want to admit, at least in my case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    My little single test only cycle had me at 155/80 pulse at 85 resting

    Before cycle I was "shocking my doctor" smoking a 1.5 packs a day at a bp of 102/60. Wentvhigh on cycle. After pct, back to 99/60

    And I managed all things well

    Aas has far greater impact than most want to admit, at least in my case
    On 400mg weekly my BP was actually lower than is now, about 120-130/80, but staying that high it's not a solution.

    Tren , never affected my BP.

    I don't feel I can blame it on AAS while I have an history of high BP with low T, even. Must say I feel tense as a violin string these days, surely there's also something psychogenic to it, perhaps it's just high cortisol.

    I've been years stable on 115/75, this is only a recent development, I guess there's a way back.


    I started smoking at 13 then quit at 18, but I still have a cig once in a while.

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    Just remember the normal BP is 120/80, so your a little high, just keep checking it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Where's BB?

    I need his pantomime about carbs.
    Telmisartan is an ARB, rather new one, think not even approved in US. If you dont like it try another one, losartan, candesartan, irbesartan... Increase dosage till bp is normal 120/80.

    Don't worry about pulse, its not tachycardia. If you are worried about it go do an ECG. If you want to lower your pulse start doing cardio, and stop listening to norwegians (well, some of them).

    Going to pharmacy to measured BP is not the best way, measure it at home when you wake up and before dinner. Always measure it twice, spaced a few minutes.

    A good bp monitor doesn't cost more than 30€, and the cuffs come in sizes, please dont buy the small size and expect it to fit.

    Of course, I have to say that supraphysiological levels of testosterone can put your body into stress, specially if its not temporary like in a cycle. Maybe if you reduce your TRT test dosage you dont need any of the above.
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