Can i cycle at 18-19 years old without messing up my hormones too much.

**gangen** · 06-21-2017, 11:36 AM

A friend of mine who is also 18 is going to run a test, tren and Masteron cycle. I also want do grow faster, so people are telling me to wait till im 25 or older, but why. Taking nolva or clomid afterwards will get my normal test levels back on track? And i did do a small cycle when i was 17 with winstrol only where i took 10-20mg for around 3 weeks, got shutdown afterwards, but after like two weeks my test levels were normal again and i didn't even use test or PCT at that time.
Im not gonna do it this year but im considering doing a cycle nest summer maybe in may, when im 19. What are your thoughts on this?

**geezuschrist** · 06-21-2017, 12:45 PM

Your friend is a moron. Test tren and mast at 18? Good luck finding your balls. Don't listen to ignorant people like this op. Eat eat eat

**MuscleScience** · 06-21-2017, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by gangen

A friend of mine who is also 18 is going to run a test, tren and Masteron cycle. I also want do grow faster, so people are telling me to wait till im 25 or older, but why. Taking nolva or clomid afterwards will get my normal test levels back on track? And i did do a small cycle when i was 17 with winstrol only where i took 10-20mg for around 3 weeks, got shutdown afterwards, but after like two weeks my test levels were normal again and i didn't even use test or PCT at that time.
Im not gonna do it this year but im considering doing a cycle nest summer maybe in may, when im 19. What are your thoughts on this?

Cycles like that at a young age are dangerous for a number of reasons. For the sake of argument he should really consider a test only cycle with an anti estrogen in hand for one of two reason. One his growth plates are still open, high estrogen will prematurely close them. Two, high estrogen causes emotional changes, acne and male breast formation. I 100% do not recommend cycling at that age at all. If there is no way of getting him not to cycle, then at least have him take safer compounds. He won't experience any more gains talking all that as he would taking just test alone. But he will experience a ton more sides potentially.

**Marcus G** · 06-21-2017, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by gangen

A friend of mine who is also 18 is going to run a test, tren and Masteron cycle. I also want do grow faster, so people are telling me to wait till im 25 or older, but why. Taking nolva or clomid afterwards will get my normal test levels back on track? And i did do a small cycle when i was 17 with winstrol only where i took 10-20mg for around 3 weeks, got shutdown afterwards, but after like two weeks my test levels were normal again and i didn't even use test or PCT at that time.
Im not gonna do it this year but im considering doing a cycle nest summer maybe in may, when im 19. What are your thoughts on this?

How do you know your test levels returned?
As for your friend he will end up with issues some quite likely permanent take if from us guys who know. Some have been there before and learned the hard way...

**PT1982** · 06-21-2017, 05:08 PM

Only going by the threat topic without reading your post. And for reason. There is no way to know that answer, but the likelihood is very high being as you're not finished developing physically, which could stunt growth, bone density, brain development, and a host of other things like sterilization and impotence. You don't want that at any age, especially at 18-25. You're at an age that your natural testosterone production is at the highest point it has been since you started puberty. Roughly, age 17-25 is a period for a second burst of sex hormones that leads you into manhood and that will be the last big pulse your body naturally produces before it levels off. Don't risk it. You came to the right place to get assurance, so use the advice given wisely and wait. You have many many years to play around with anabolics. Once you start, you'll more than likely stay with it. Make use of your natural "steroids " while you still can! I guarantee you that any of us with low t would love to be in your shoes right now. Eat big and lift big.

**PT1982** · 06-21-2017, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Cycles like that at a young age are dangerous for a number of reasons. For the sake of argument he should really consider a test only cycle with an anti estrogen in hand for one of two reason. One his growth plates are still open, high estrogen will prematurely close them. Two, high estrogen causes emotional changes, acne and male breast formation. I 100% do not recommend cycling at that age at all. If there is no way of getting him not to cycle, then at least have him take safer compounds. He won't experience any more gains talking all that as he would taking just test alone. But he will experience a ton more sides potentially.

I like what you're getting at by saying to use safer methods. I don't know why, but creatine was huge when I was a teen, yet seems to have went the wayside these days since the prohormone craze of the early 2000s. Creatine works! And as far as legal supplements, it's one of the only (if not the only) that I use and will spend my money on. Its safe and works amazingly. In young men with high natural testosterone levels , cycling creatine with a high protein diet and a mass building program can give results just as good as any steroid cycle. Plus, it is a way for them to learn how to properly cycle when the time comes. Often times young men waste steroids due to not understanding what their own body responds well to as far as weight training and diet. With age and years of practice (in the gym), once they decide to use anabolics, they will have astounding results!

**Capebuffalo** · 06-21-2017, 06:23 PM

Please read

The young and Steroids

**MuscleScience** · 06-21-2017, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by PT1982

I like what you're getting at by saying to use safer methods. I don't know why, but creatine was huge when I was a teen, yet seems to have went the wayside these days since the prohormone craze of the early 2000s. Creatine works! And as far as legal supplements, it's one of the only (if not the only) that I use and will spend my money on. Its safe and works amazingly. In young men with high natural testosterone levels, cycling creatine with a high protein diet and a mass building program can give results just as good as any steroid cycle. Plus, it is a way for them to learn how to properly cycle when the time comes. Often times young men waste steroids due to not understanding what their own body responds well to as far as weight training and diet. With age and years of practice (in the gym), once they decide to use anabolics, they will have astounding results!

Dude, I totally agree. Creatine is the single greatest supplement of all time. It is also the most studied supplement EVER.! We know it works, we know it's safe and we STILL find new advantages for its use. It is a stable in my nutrition, to me it's the 4th macro if you will.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-21-2017, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Dude, I totally agree. Creatine is the single greatest supplement of all time. It is also the most studied supplement EVER.! We know it works, we know it's safe and we STILL find new advantages for its use. It is a stable in my nutrition, to me it's the 4th macro if you will.

5 gr daily. I like the fuller look it gives.

**PT1982** · 06-21-2017, 09:20 PM

I don't understand why it doesn't fly off the shelves, yet all of these new "test boosters" that make unbelievable claims but no actual studies can't even fill the demand. GNC seems to have a new one every couple of months that are "better" than the last. And people are buying it all up like it's going to work miracles. One in particular is a 28 day "cycle" followed by a 14 day pct and it seeks for 99 bucks! They can't keep it in stock. And there's the creatine isle filled to the brim gathering dust. It makes no sense to me. It really works. As Cape mentioned how it gives full look to the muscles. It also creates a faux muscle memory that I do believe will lead to muscle growth when all in said and done. It makes pumps (especially with arms) incredible and they'll stay pumped for a longer time. It's no steroid , but it could be considered the next best thing, in my opinion.

**Obs** · 06-21-2017, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Dude, I totally agree. Creatine is the single greatest supplement of all time. It is also the most studied supplement EVER.! We know it works, we know it's safe and we STILL find new advantages for its use. It is a stable in my nutrition, to me it's the 4th macro if you will.

Havent touched creatine in 12 years. I really should I guess.

**guitarzan** · 06-21-2017, 10:20 PM

Got a jug of creatine on the kitchen counter, right next to my whey. Love the stuff

**hammerheart** · 06-22-2017, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by gangen

A friend of mine who is also 18 is going to run a test, tren and Masteron cycle. I also want do grow faster, so people are telling me to wait till im 25 or older, but why. Taking nolva or clomid afterwards will get my normal test levels back on track? And i did do a small cycle when i was 17 with winstrol only where i took 10-20mg for around 3 weeks, got shutdown afterwards, but after like two weeks my test levels were normal again and i didn't even use test or PCT at that time.
Im not gonna do it this year but im considering doing a cycle nest summer maybe in may, when im 19. What are your thoughts on this?

Of course you can. The problem is that you should not.

The reason why we advise to wait the age of 25 is based upon medical data and individual experiences. When your still developing, your body and mind are extremely sensitive to offense by foreign substances (that would also include rec drugs and alcohol) and likelihood of permanent damage to your system (especially CNS) is still high if compared to full grown individual; imagine the growing brain like a complex data network the sort of google and internet providers have, with thousands of cables still off and in the process of wiring, what happens when you throw drugs at it is you have drunk nerds inserting the wire in the wrong spot, and faulty connection will obv result. With AAS, this might result in lifelong ED, depression, and early need for TRT.

Besides, at 18-19 you have a growth potential that you can take advantage of now, proper nutrition and training is what it takes. "Steroids " don't even do that much other than optimizing food intake into muscle growth, but at 18, the risks greatly outweigh the benefits.

**tarmyg** · 06-22-2017, 03:20 AM

If you want to know how to grow at 18 and even be a bit low on test, look no further : Zeus' competition entry 17 April 2017

**Couchlock** · 06-22-2017, 03:53 AM

"How do I retire at 21 without going to school, or working more than 2 hours a day"

Like the thread title, impossible statement

**alixalman** · 06-22-2017, 08:10 AM

Bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint.
I did my first cycle at 27 1/2.
I have a daughter and I cannot trade anything in the world for her.
I cannot imagine not being able to give her birth because i fucked up in my teenage and did steroids .
When all the experienced and older guys tell you some words of wisdom. Take them seriously.
Don't be a food. Dont trade your future for the present.

**CALLMEOCT** · 06-22-2017, 08:23 AM

You should really think about what you're going to do!

Wait a couple years, go natty up to 24/25~, once your full developed and trained natty with a coulpe bulks and cuts on the go, start your AAS marathon ♥

**Max562** · 06-22-2017, 09:04 AM

Be wise listen to the older brothers...theyre not steering u wrong...u still got a lot of life ahead of you..

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**shsgrizzly** · 06-23-2017, 11:01 AM

Stay natty until your at least 25

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**kelkel** · 06-23-2017, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

imagine the growing brain like a complex data network the sort of google and internet providers have, with thousands of cables still off and in the process of wiring, what happens when you throw drugs at it is you have drunk nerds inserting the wire in the wrong spot, and faulty connection will obv result. .

Great analogy.

**Jphunter** · 06-24-2017, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

5 gr daily. I like the fuller look it gives.

5 grams huh ? I take 1 table spoon a day . Maybe I should step my game up . Creating is really a great supplement .

**tbjake34** · 06-24-2017, 10:35 PM

I'll touch on this since I started gear really young. I ran a test only cycle when I was 17 bro. To be honest I think I was making the 500mg a week naturally Damn near lol. I gained 30 lbs in 10 weeks. I did my research and ran good ole Galenkia test e 500mg a week. I was so obsessed with becoming a bodybuilder I didn't care about the consequences of taking gear too young. So take it from me , DONT TOUCH GEAR! Wait until ur 20. I mean 18 isn't that crazy young but if I could go back I wouldn'thave taken shit until I was 20. Ur body is still developing and growing, I know u think ur not but when ur 25 ull see. Ur not even a man yet bro. Yea im a beast now but if I stop taking gear I'm just a normal Man. I got arrested a couple years ago. Lost 60lbs in jail walked out like a 180lb man with a belly and no natural test production cuz I fuked my body up taking steroids too yoing. I'll be on trt the rest of my life and I'll be Damnlucky if I ever have a son. I took the time to type this so u take it into consideration. Eat everything in site, train like a animal, drink protein shakes till u puke, the most important thing to getting big is eating dude just eat and eat and eat.

Good luck

**tbjake34** · 06-24-2017, 10:41 PM

And if ur friend (or u) is set on takin steroids here is what he should do.

Test 500mg /wk or even 400mg
Maybe and anti e if he needs it after he's been on for a few weeks if he gets estro sides.
And a proper pct consisting of a serm like nolva or clomid.

Tren , masteron these steroids are very potent, I don't even touch trenunless I hae to cuz it makes me crazy it's not a myth trenbolone makes guys crazy dude I 've ran it many times. And masteron is a steroid for competition dude it's not something u take just cuz. Test is king. I'm not saying he should run gear I highly advise against it but if he does that's the cycle I'd do.

**shsgrizzly** · 07-02-2017, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by tbjake34

I'll touch on this since I started gear really young. I ran a test only cycle when I was 17 bro. To be honest I think I was making the 500mg a week naturally Damn near lol. I gained 30 lbs in 10 weeks. I did my research and ran good ole Galenkia test e 500mg a week. I was so obsessed with becoming a bodybuilder I didn't care about the consequences of taking gear too young. So take it from me , DONT TOUCH GEAR! Wait until ur 20. I mean 18 isn't that crazy young but if I could go back I wouldn'thave taken shit until I was 20. Ur body is still developing and growing, I know u think ur not but when ur 25 ull see. Ur not even a man yet bro. Yea im a beast now but if I stop taking gear I'm just a normal Man. I got arrested a couple years ago. Lost 60lbs in jail walked out like a 180lb man with a belly and no natural test production cuz I fuked my body up taking steroids too yoing. I'll be on trt the rest of my life and I'll be Damnlucky if I ever have a son. I took the time to type this so u take it into consideration. Eat everything in site, train like a animal, drink protein shakes till u puke, the most important thing to getting big is eating dude just eat and eat and eat.

Good luck

Amen to that brother I am 18 started steroids but luckily they were fake and found out I have natty test levels of 1500
Did you ever become a bodybuilder like you wanted? As I have the same attitude towards bodybuilding still

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**tbjake34** · 07-02-2017, 01:39 PM

I did yes, had a couple set backs. Arrested two times both times shrinking down to 180lbs. I'm around 245lbs right now I'm doing Jr's next year. I'm 26, I think my profile says I'm older but yea I was too young when I first came on here so I lied about my age haha and yea I'm still obsessed with bodybuilding I Think anyone who wants to go far in the sport kind of has to be. 1500 is good dude. Did u get ur bloods done after u had the bunk gear or before?

**shsgrizzly** · 07-02-2017, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by tbjake34

I did yes, had a couple set backs. Arrested two times both times shrinking down to 180lbs. I'm around 245lbs right now I'm doing Jr's next year. I'm 26, I think my profile says I'm older but yea I was too young when I first came on here so I lied about my age haha and yea I'm still obsessed with bodybuilding I Think anyone who wants to go far in the sport kind of has to be. 1500 is good dude. Did u get ur bloods done after u had the bunk gear or before?

Ya and the doc said naturally high testosterone of 1500
Sadly with my obsession with bodybuilding I think I'll find some legit steroids eventually and do them. The bunk gear acted as a placebo but idk if I agree
Pharmacomlabs here I come eventually

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