What compounds are you running now ?

[David LoPan]

Yes, doing both recomp and cut. My muscles had atrophied bad. Have been seeing a lot more elongation of them so far other that size like I thought I would have. Guess that is muscle memory hitting and the type of training I have been doing. About to change it up.

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[ThatGuy82]

750mg test e week 1-10
400mg mast week 1-10
30mg tbol week 1-8
50mcg t3. week 2-10
100mg Winny week 9-10

.25 AI EOD

Pct- clomid 100/50/25/25
nolvadex 40/40/20/20

[charger69]

Probably for the same reason he has me taking NO AI at the moment, even on a gram of test (need the estrogen conversion), during this part of the recomp the focus is growth. plus my last 5 or more cycles have been low dose test. that one gram is a 'base'. if I did low dose test at say 250mg then I'd need to add in EQ at 750mg.. he's keeping it simple with less compounds and more estrogen and just putting me at my 1g base with just test.

6+ weeks from now I'm sure things will change and will focus more on fat loss then growth and we'll lower the test and switch compounds and maybe add an AI (its up to him , I've given him the reins)




I can't do extreme ballerina dancing

Let me guess.... your pro coach is Charles Glass.


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[GearHeaded]

Let me guess.... your pro coach is Charles Glass.


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I'd love to do some training sessions with Charles and have him put me through some workouts and teach me new biomechanics and ranges of motion to really feel and contract a muscle and bring up lagging body parts.. but don't think he does official "coaching" (just training) where he does diets and drug protocols (maybe , idk)

[David LoPan]

Let me guess.... your pro coach is Charles Glass.


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It's Chuck Norris duh

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[Ashop]

Doing small dosage of PRIMO and a TRT dosage TESTOSTERONE

[GearHeaded]

Doing small dosage of PRIMO and a TRT dosage TESTOSTERONE

good choice . love running Primo solo with TRT

[Iron Frenchie]

Nandrolone 500mg No test No AI

[GearHeaded]

Nandrolone 500mg No test No AI

keep us updated and let us know how that goes brother , especially weeks 8-10+

[Iron Frenchie]

Week 5 no gains yet. I'm surprised. I front loaded 1g the first week too. I have 0 sides though feel great. Absolutely no water. Still wondering how long I should run it.

[NACH3]

DNP ?? Why that with all the other compounds ancillaries available?

[NACH3]

So what AAS are you guys currently running or are about to run ?

A lot of you experienced vets are always helping other guys out and don't generally post anything about your own cycles. So lets hear it

Me - I just started an 'experiment' cycle. I've been running low dose test cycles for the last couple years and so decided to give the opposite a try for a bit.

2000mg Test (combination of Sustanon 500, test Prop, test e)
800mg masteron
T3
HGH
Slin
Var or Tbol to be added in a bit later

Since I have to get a total rev joint replacement heavy lifts are gone - 2wks ago I was pressing I the hammer strength incline with 4 +plates aside on the 5-6rep my shoulder totally popped and went backwards after locking into my lift and b4 that i was MP pressing 305 and 4 reps in my shoulder and neck popped at same time - that was the one that got me bad - 13+ surgeries already I can’t do GIT anymore so im doing volume and I’m sore as fuck lol

I’ll be doing longer 12 wk cycles unless running primo 20wks bug I used to do 6wk open enddd SBC’s short burst cycles linked to a pre-cycle prime - 30lbs and dropping 5% bf in 6wks it as awesome but in a lil I’ll be running

- Cyp(1g wkly) w/prop or acetate at another 350wkly
- NPP at 500mgs wkly along with deca at 300mgs wkly
- either pulsing drol if bothers my stomach
Or winny each at 100mgs day unless pulsing the drol(10on 7-10off) 150mgs
- T3 at 100mcgs
May add in ace for 4-6 wks depending on how I want to finish but I usually don’t go over 12wks

And if your not experienced please don’t look at these as a first timer cycle they’re far from it

[GearHeaded]

DNP?? Why that with all the other compounds ancillaries available?

good question.

read some of my posts in this DNP thread and you'll see some reasons why

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...about-dnp.html

RECOMP is a whole different beast then is cutting or prepping for a show . fuck cutting is easy, recomp is more complex

[NACH3]

[QUOTE=GearHeaded;7355717]good question.

read some of my posts in this DNP thread and you'll see some reasons why

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...about-dnp.html

RECOMP is a whole different beast then is cutting or prepping for a show . fuck cutting is easy, recomp is more complex[/QUOTE]

^^^ for sure - weird thing is I find myself recouping more so than cutting... definitely much harder to do but if your eating to gain maybe 5-10lbs I’ll usually drop say 3-5% in fb I usually hover around the same weight - it’s hard to gain more weight I’ve been as high as 218 but the weight just felt weird on me though I sat around 10-11% but gaining muscle while losing bf is by far the hardest yet best way to cycle imho... and you can clean bulk and lose bf as well

I’ll check out your link brotha!

[NACH3]

Since I have to get a total rev joint replacement heavy lifts are gone - 2wks ago I was pressing I the hammer strength incline with 4 +plates aside on the 5-6rep my shoulder totally popped and went backwards after locking into my lift and b4 that i was MP pressing 305 and 4 reps in my shoulder and neck popped at same time - that was the one that got me bad - 13+ surgeries already I can’t do GIT anymore so im doing volume and I’m sore as fuck lol

I’ll be doing longer 12 wk cycles unless running primo 20wks bug I used to do 6wk open enddd SBC’s short burst cycles linked to a pre-cycle prime - 30lbs and dropping 5% bf in 6wks it as awesome but in a lil I’ll be running

- Cyp(1g wkly) w/prop or acetate at another 350wkly
- NPP at 500mgs wkly along with deca at 300mgs wkly
- either pulsing drol if bothers my stomach
Or winny each at 100mgs day unless pulsing the drol(10on 7-10off) 150mgs
- T3 at 100mcgs
May add in ace for 4-6 wks depending on how I want to finish but I usually don’t go over 12wks

And if your not experienced please don’t look at these as a first timer cycle they’re far from it

So I’m changing up what I’ll be Doing when I hop back on

-Test is same... cyp 100mgs ed + 350mgs of prop(I may get some acetate too) reason why I’m running cyp ed is b/c of the prop
- NPP & Deca 350mgs each
- drol 100mgs/day pre-w/o - backloaded for 6-8 wks(I know 8 wks is long I’m thinking w/3600mgs of NAC daily that should keep liver enzymes from going too high)?!
- T3 100mcgs daily
- Prami if needed or just .25mgs per day

[< <Samson> >]

750mg a week of test(Sust) and up to 80mg a day of dBol

[GearHeaded]

Nandrolone 500mg No test No AI
Week 5 no gains yet. I'm surprised. I front loaded 1g the first week too. I have 0 sides though feel great. Absolutely no water. Still wondering how long I should run it.

Deca only cycles with no test are a bit of a fad lately it seems. couple things to note about Deca only cycles.

- There is zero DHT conversion from deca without test being in there. deca converts to DHN (which is super weak). what does this mean?
well it means over a period of time your becoming 'feminized', there is no DHT activity going on.. all those DHT receptors , like the ones in your dick, will stop working (eventually you'll no longer be able to have feeling in your dick). Lots of other masculine features that are DHT dependent will weaken as well, including your manly attitude and demeanors..

Now lets add the feminizing effects of no longer having DHT conversion to the ability for your body to now have elevated estrogen. Not necessarily from the estrogen that comes from aromatization , but from estrogen being able to have free rein being there is now no longer DHT to "compete" with it.

No aggressive manly attitude, a penis that will eventually not work, estrogen having free rein in the body .. thats feminization . but its no wonder, being Deca is derived from the female sex hormone "progesterone" and has no DHT conversion.

long term Deca only cycles sound like a great way to promote a sex change .. yes deca is pretty damn anabolic and has a strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor to build muscle , but you'll be a muscular 'girly man' in the long run


simple fix .. add 200mg of test to the deca and get some DHT conversion in there

[charger69]

So I’m changing up what I’ll be Doing when I hop back on

-Test is same... cyp 100mgs ed + 350mgs of prop(I may get some acetate too) reason why I’m running cyp ed is b/c of the prop
- NPP & Deca 350mgs each
- drol 100mgs/day pre-w/o - backloaded for 6-8 wks(I know 8 wks is long I’m thinking w/3600mgs of NAC daily that should keep liver enzymes from going too high)?!
- T3 100mcgs daily
- Prami if needed or just .25mgs per day

Why so much test?
Why short and long esthers of nandrolene? Why not pick one and go with it?


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[< <Samson> >]

Who in their right mind would run deca only?

Oh geez


I had one guy swear up & down of the benefits of tren only cycles - I just looked at him like as if he were retarded

[Iron Frenchie]

Deca only cycles with no test are a bit of a fad lately it seems. couple things to note about Deca only cycles.

- There is zero DHT conversion from deca without test being in there. deca converts to DHN (which is super weak). what does this mean?
well it means over a period of time your becoming 'feminized', there is no DHT activity going on.. all those DHT receptors , like the ones in your dick, will stop working (eventually you'll no longer be able to have feeling in your dick). Lots of other masculine features that are DHT dependent will weaken as well, including your manly attitude and demeanors..

Now lets add the feminizing effects of no longer having DHT conversion to the ability for your body to now have elevated estrogen. Not necessarily from the estrogen that comes from aromatization , but from estrogen being able to have free rein being there is now no longer DHT to "compete" with it.

No aggressive manly attitude, a penis that will eventually not work, estrogen having free rein in the body .. thats feminization . but its no wonder, being Deca is derived from the female sex hormone "progesterone" and has no DHT conversion.

long term Deca only cycles sound like a great way to promote a sex change .. yes deca is pretty damn anabolic and has a strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor to build muscle , but you'll be a muscular 'girly man' in the long run


simple fix .. add 200mg of test to the deca and get some DHT conversion in there

You also forget all the negatives sides when you have a exogenous amount of DHT. We all know what sides those are. There are plenty of studies with HIV patients using nandrolone that never stated ED problems. Some patients from a particular study been going 10+ years on nandrolone only. 0 side effects. Also you would think all the guys that never used testosterone in the 60's 70's and 80's never said they had problems and they primarily used deca. Only when test was introduced it became a problem. Deca is identical to test when you look at the molecule. In my opinion it was designed better due to low aromatization and more anabolic affect with lower androgenic effect. Ask any sports medicine doctor and they will say excess androgens are all bad in the long term. The biggest symptom they see is ED from long term steroid users. Basically they over stimulated their androgenic receptors for years. So they end up with ED. Even on high TRT. Watch doctor O'Connor on YouTube.

[tarmyg]

DNP low dose

Please specify.

[Mooseman33]

doesnt the DNP drain you?

[David LoPan]

doesnt the DNP drain you?

When I ran DNP if I ate any carbs it lite my ass on fire. Body temp shot up to 101. Have not done it since but still have it on hand. Actually was saving it in case I had to go to the north sea or some BS place like that.

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[GearHeaded]

DNP low dose

Please specify.

200mg per day

doesnt the DNP drain you?

its an uncoupling agent, you won't be producing ATP, and that energy will be converted to heat instead physical energy expenditure. so technically yes your 'drained' to a certain degree, but really your simply stuck in a position where your body can ONLY burn fat for fuel. so you still have plenty of fuel and energy, ie., fat.

[GearHeaded]

When I ran DNP if I ate any carbs it lite my ass on fire. Body temp shot up to 101.

The energy from carbs is still energy and it has to go somewhere, being your body can't expend it as physical energy its got to go go somewhere so its converted to heat.. doesn't sound like a comfortable process, but your just forcing your body to have to use fat for all its physical energy needs

[GearHeaded]

You also forget all the negatives sides when you have a exogenous amount of DHT.

Exogenous DHT ??? not sure anyone here uses exogenous DHT or would want to.. your body is genius, it knows how to convert other hormones to the DHT it needs. no exo DHT needed.

however , Deca is NOT a hormone that can be converted to DHT and it will completely shut down your bodies natty production of Test, so your stuck in a position where DHT is slowly diminishing, natural Test is gone, and estrogen is slowly increasing (again that leads to feminization)

thats why in this modern age we found it a great idea to run at least a low dose of Test with our deca cycles .. if you want to go back to the "old school" ways and run deca only cycles , you can also go back to having no running water in your house and using cart and buggy for transportation.

Deca is identical to test when you look at the molecule. In my opinion it was designed better due to low aromatization and more anabolic affect with lower androgenic effect.

Ummm,, well yeah of course. almost every steroid is identical to test being all these molecules are made from cholesterol based hormones. so they are all going to be near identical besides one small modification.. so that point is moot. if you want to be more accurate you would say that deca is nearly identical to PROGESTERONE (not test) , because deca was made from Progesterone and thats the derived hormone it was moodified from and looks near identical to.

lower androgenic properties is all fine and dandy in the medical world and giving these compounds to women, children, people with anemia, and burn victims .. so yeah, deca wad designed to treat WOMEN and CHILDREN. so of course being low androgenic is a huge plus.

but its not necessarily a huge plus for manly men that need the aggression and mentality to bench 500 pounds for reps. . This is why enhanced athletes, powerlifters, and body builders stepping on stage run super high androgenic compounds. not medical AAS designed for women and children..
there is not a high level athlete in his right mind that would ever run a deca only cycle to prepare for a competition!!

Watch doctor O'Connor on YouTube.

I have been for a year or so . he's a nice enough guy but a little bit of a sensationalist and not near as educated in the world of steroids as he likes to pretend he is

[hammerheart]

Hmmmm I got some rare DHB in today.

The rumours are true, it hurts like a mofo.

[hammerheart]

Exogenous DHT ??? not sure anyone here uses exogenous DHT or would want to.. your body is genius, it knows how to convert other hormones to the DHT it needs. no exo DHT needed.

I'm actually trying the thing in the near future, but I do have my reasons for it, I agree that there's no need for most.

[kelkel]

but its not necessarily a huge plus for manly men that need the aggression and mentality to bench 500 pounds for reps. .

Reminded me of this.....

[NACH3]

Why so much test?
Why short and long esthers of nandrolene? Why not pick one and go with it?


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Will frintoad with npp as its shirt esters same with prop than deca and cyp

I like high test

[NACH3]

Who in their right mind would run deca only?

Oh geez


I had one guy swear up & down of the benefits of tren only cycles - I just looked at him like as if he were retarded

Are saying you agree or think it’s stupid to run deca only? Lost as you didn’t quote anything

[kelkel]

I had one guy swear up & down of the benefits of tren only cycles - I just looked at him like as if he were retarded

Actually I know several guys who pre contest have dropped all test and went with tren , as well as other items as well naturally. Very low dose tren has been studied as a form of TRT btw.

[hammerheart]

The rumours are true, it hurts like a mofo.

The inflammatory reaction is so bad I'm getting slight fever and feeling a bit sick, hope I'm not getting anything more serious.

[GearHeaded]

Will frintoad with npp as its shirt esters same with prop than deca and cyp

I like high test

spot on. I generally never run a deca cycle without front loading the first 5 or so weeks with NPP

[GearHeaded]

Actually I know several guys who pre contest have dropped all test and went with tren, as well as other items as well naturally.

very true

I generally always advise guys to drop test out of their cycle completely 2 weeks before a show. and stay on a decent dose of Tren , Masteron or Primo, Winny, and then Halo if they tolerate it.

a contest prep cycle is much different then your average gym rat cycle though

[GearHeaded]

The inflammatory reaction is so bad I'm getting slight fever and feeling a bit sick, hope I'm not getting anything more serious.

whats the mg per ml dose your using of the DHB

[hammerheart]

whats the mg per ml dose your using of the DHB

Label says 200mg/ml.

[NACH3]

spot on. I generally never run a deca cycle without front loading the first 5 or so weeks with NPP

Yeah I’m right around the same time too... I’ll go 5-6max then run deca with my long ester(cyp or E) rhen backload some drol, winny, or d-bol depending on what I’m doing for the cycle!

[NACH3]

Actually I know several guys who pre contest have dropped all test and went with tren, as well as other items as well naturally. Very low dose tren has been studied as a form of TRT btw.

very true

I generally always advise guys to drop test out of their cycle completely 2 weeks before a show. and stay on a decent dose of Tren , Masteron or Primo, Winny, and then Halo if they tolerate it.

a contest prep cycle is much different then your average gym rat cycle though

Most competitors I met in Cali all did the same -dropping the test(water weight) helps dry them out at the end and tren gives them that hard grainy look moreso(and winny + mast) too

Kel, have you heard anymore talk/rumors regarding tren as trt yet... I remember you bringing that up a long ways back...

[hammerheart]

Kel, have you heard anymore talk/rumors regarding tren as trt yet... I remember you bringing that up a long ways back...

I attempted going on a bit of Tren / Test (140mg and 50mg weekly), strength and overall physical performance were great but the irritability and loss of focus were unbearable, also had full ED that cialis didn't help with. As I upped Test most sides improved but strength went down. Weird... next I'm trying kinda the same (a bit of Test as aromatizable substrate) stacked with exogenous DHT instead.