How to get HUGE

[Obs]

So let’s put it this way. Do you think lee Haneys training or dedication were that much greater than Gaspari or any of the other guys that kept placing second? Or that Coleman was that much more dedicated than jay cutler? No genetics separated them. Until Coleman got too old and injured cutler couldn’t beat him. Then cutler got beat as he got older.

I don’t use genetics as a crutch or a cry baby card. I am what I am and that’s a recreational lifter. I do it cuz I like it. It’s not my life though. But even if I did everything the way top pros did I wouldn’t look like them! That’s a fact.

How would you know? You have never done it.

[Obs]

Lol. If I got divorced I’m coming to live with you for sure

Leave your cutting cycles at home. Get ready to cut trees.
I will go to the gym and you can support us

[Obs]

I have inadvertently sharted several times the last couple weeks.
I just don't know how to feel about my life anymore...
These are confusing times.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I have inadvertently sharted several times the last couple weeks.
I just don't know how to feel about my life anymore...
These are confusing times.

Heavy orals working your liver over?

[Obs]

Heavy orals working your liver over?

I think its eating random stuff at random times with lots of stimulants and expectorants in conjuction with coughing etc.

One was clearly my fault though as I thought it was innocent air.

I dont do orals much btw. I like dbol but thats about it

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I think its eating random stuff at random times with lots of stimulants and expectorants in conjuction with coughing etc.

One was clearly my fault though as I thought it was innocent air.

I dont do orals much btw. I like dbol but thats about it

I used to write dbol off as “not anadrol ”, but then I realized I can run it forever (like var forever) and not only does it not make me feel crappy, it makes me feel kinda buzzy when I take it. Now it’s my favorite pre workout

[Old Duffer]

Lol. If I got divorced she's coming to live with you for sure

Fixed

[Family_guy]

Leave your cutting cycles at home. Get ready to cut trees.
I will go to the gym and you can support us

Lmao!! Alright buddy I will take care of you so you can just get bigggggg

[Family_guy]

I have inadvertently sharted several times the last couple weeks.
I just don't know how to feel about my life anymore...
These are confusing times.

Is there such a thing as an intentional shart???

[Family_guy]

I used to write dbol off as “not anadrol”, but then I realized I can run it forever (like var forever) and not only does it not make me feel crappy, it makes me feel kinda buzzy when I take it. Now it’s my favorite pre workout

Ive heard that before about Dbol making people somewhat euphoric or happy or just feel great. Is that your experience?

[Obs]

Is there such a thing as an intentional shart???

If you get pissed enough

[Obs]

Ive heard that before about Dbol making people somewhat euphoric or happy or just feel great. Is that your experience?

My first couple times with it at 100 mg a day was great. Sustanon deca and dbol made me feel like a machine.
Effects arent quite so profound anymore

[Obs]

Lmao!! Alright buddy I will take care of you so you can just get bigggggg

I will love you forever

[Family_guy]

I will love you forever

Lmao! Great just what I wanted to hear...

[Obs]

Lmao! Great just what I wanted to hear...

Good because I rented a house and I am moving out with the kids.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Ive heard that before about Dbol making people somewhat euphoric or happy or just feel great. Is that your experience?

Its noticeable at 20-30mg if I don’t take it everyday for an extended amount of time. Like if I just save it for Leg day, or heavy back day. If I’m going to run it for a couple weeks needs to be in the 50mg Range.

It’s like the kind of feeling you get when you find an extra $500 laying around if that makes sense.

[tbjake34]

Gh with ur mk gh and insulin protocol u say high carb diet is required. How many carbs we talking here? And are we watching fat intake?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Gh with ur mk gh and insulin protocol u say high carb diet is required. How many carbs we talking here? And are we watching fat intake?

GH or OBS can jump in if I’m off here, but I believe the general rule is 10 grams of carbs per 1iu of insulin . And yes, you are watching fat intake, because if you eat fat with those carbs it’s going to slow the absorption rate of the carbs, which may put you in a bad spot (hypo)

[Obs]

GH or OBS can jump in if I’m off here, but I believe the general rule is 10 grams of carbs per 1iu of insulin. And yes, you are watching fat intake, because if you eat fat with those carbs it’s going to slow the absorption rate of the carbs, which may put you in a bad spot (hypo)

Yes.
REGULAR acting is 10 per iu.

Rapid is more. Say 125%

This is guesstimate.
Everyone is different some can shred twice the carbs on both.
Peask timing is everything.
This is why it is important to get a baseline blood sugar map fasted then right after a meal and every 10 min or so after that.
You start low and slow to establish (on your own) what your needs are.

[tbjake34]

Guys I meant like how many carbs a day we talking here like 1000g a day?

[Windex]

Guys I meant like how many carbs a day we talking here like 1000g a day?

That's not how it works. The number of carbs are based on

1) type of insulin used
2) how many IU
3) how you respond to it.

Some people may only need 7g or 9g per IU instead of 10g whereas others may need as much as 15g. Someone only need 8G per IU is going to have half the daily carb intake as someone doing 15-16grams

[HoldMyBeer]

That's not how it works. The number of carbs are based on

1) type of insulin used
2) how many IU
3) how you respond to it.

Some people may only need 7g or 9g per IU instead of 10g whereas others may need as much as 15g. Someone only need 8G per IU is going to have half the daily carb intake as someone doing 15-16grams

Agreed
I only use 6g per, in fact, eating more makes me hypo (i believe the carbs illicit a natural insulin response on top of what's given exogenously).
I would like to add though, the GI of the carb and timing is also important. If you eat 10g carbs / iu of novolin r of pure sugar, you will cover the first insulin spike but be screwed on the second.

[tbjake34]

That's not how it works. The number of carbs are based on

1) type of insulin used
2) how many IU
3) how you respond to it.

Some people may only need 7g or 9g per IU instead of 10g whereas others may need as much as 15g. Someone only need 8G per IU is going to have half the daily carb intake as someone doing 15-16grams

I understand the 10g per iu thing. I worded my question wrong, I meant how many grams of carbs per day to get huge? Gh said he believes in high carbs to get huge which I have also hear ifbb pros saying u need huge carb amounts to get massive. So how many carbs a day total? Like 100g per meal be enough?

[Windex]

I understand the 10g per iu thing. I worded my question wrong, I meant how many grams of carbs per day to get huge? Gh said he believes in high carbs to get huge which I have also hear ifbb pros saying u need huge carb amounts to get massive. So how many carbs a day total? Like 100g per meal be enough?

It's going to vary by individual. You would start moderate and slowly work your way up.

I'm at 920g of Carbs and I am approaching 251lbs 13ish% bodyfat

[Fiskevatten]

Awesome, thank you GH!!
Question, don't think I read it here now and I might be totally lost, but what the heck...
Regarding not being afraid of carbs (sugar) and insulin - why do we (or I) feel sick as fck when I eat e.g. candy/ soda or something similar with more or less pure crappy sugar
now in older days compared to younger?
If I eat as usual and add 2 soda's on that, I feel tired, weak and sick. Which is something that has come with age.

However, that same sugar in e.g. Yoghurt or protein pudding doesn't affect me at all.

Is there a negative correlation with certain carbs and how they act in the body when insulin spikes? (guessing here)

I've seen some bodybuilders taking a small bag of tutti-fruity before the gym, but that doesn't work at all for me. Since I dropped the sweet stuff, I feel so much better.
Just can't understand why since I loved it in recent years.

[Kyle1337]

Awesome, thank you GH!!
Question, don't think I read it here now and I might be totally lost, but what the heck...
Regarding not being afraid of carbs (sugar) and insulin - why do we (or I) feel sick as fck when I eat e.g. candy/ soda or something similar with more or less pure crappy sugar
now in older days compared to younger?
If I eat as usual and add 2 soda's on that, I feel tired, weak and sick. Which is something that has come with age.

However, that same sugar in e.g. Yoghurt or protein pudding doesn't affect me at all.

Is there a negative correlation with certain carbs and how they act in the body when insulin spikes? (guessing here)

I've seen some bodybuilders taking a small bag of tutti-fruity before the gym, but that doesn't work at all for me. Since I dropped the sweet stuff, I feel so much better.
Just can't understand why since I loved it in recent years.

When I consume actual sugary carbs, I don't feel good compared to a carb from Oats or potatoes, etc. Also, consuming too many carbs can have a similar effect of feeling lethargic just as too much insulin can cause. I just stay away from sugar. In moderation it's fine, but I consume on average 20g max a day from my foods.

[Windex]

Awesome, thank you GH!!
Question, don't think I read it here now and I might be totally lost, but what the heck...
Regarding not being afraid of carbs (sugar) and insulin - why do we (or I) feel sick as fck when I eat e.g. candy/ soda or something similar with more or less pure crappy sugar
now in older days compared to younger?
If I eat as usual and add 2 soda's on that, I feel tired, weak and sick. Which is something that has come with age.

However, that same sugar in e.g. Yoghurt or protein pudding doesn't affect me at all.

Is there a negative correlation with certain carbs and how they act in the body when insulin spikes? (guessing here)

I've seen some bodybuilders taking a small bag of tutti-fruity before the gym, but that doesn't work at all for me. Since I dropped the sweet stuff, I feel so much better.
Just can't understand why since I loved it in recent years.

There's tons of chemicals in Pepsi and Coke products, which is likely causing a problem more than the sugar. Also keep in mind your digestive system / gut at 18 years old will be very different than at 30.

If you want to drink soda I would recommend something with cane sugar and no artificial junk. Another alternative would be Zevia brand

[GearHeaded]

That's not how it works. The number of carbs are based on

1) type of insulin used
2) how many IU
3) how you respond to it.

Some people may only need 7g or 9g per IU instead of 10g whereas others may need as much as 15g. Someone only need 8G per IU is going to have half the daily carb intake as someone doing 15-16grams

I can take 10iu of fast acting insulin with Zero carbs (just a protein shake, with trace carbs from a little milk). The reason for this is became its upon waking after taking MK677 before bed, which released a bunch of HGH and drove my blood sugars way up. I'm just driving the free floating blood sugars.

I don't suggest anyone try this without a ton of experience monitoring their blood sugars constantly and knowing exactly what MK677 does to you . the Key is the MK677 . its great to use when using insulin and helps keep you from going hypo.

but you are 100% right, our glucose metabolisms are all different and there is no standard for how many carbs you need per iu of slin

[GearHeaded]

Gh with ur mk gh and insulin protocol u say high carb diet is required. How many carbs we talking here? And are we watching fat intake?

3 grams of carbs per pound of body weight minimum, when using this protocol . so a 200 pound guy should be slamming 600 g of carbs a day, or around 100g of carbs per meal.

yes fats are limited ,. however in most all diets I write (even with the above protocol) I will often times 'fat cycle' . so I'll have select few days where healthy fats are added in and the carbs may come down some, but only for that one day. or I may add fats just to the last meal of the day (for someone that trains in the morning, and vice versa for someone who trains in the evening)

[GearHeaded]

Awesome, thank you GH!!
Question, don't think I read it here now and I might be totally lost, but what the heck...
Regarding not being afraid of carbs (sugar) and insulin - why do we (or I) feel sick as fck when I eat e.g. candy/ soda or something similar with more or less pure crappy sugar
now in older days compared to younger?
If I eat as usual and add 2 soda's on that, I feel tired, weak and sick. Which is something that has come with age.

However, that same sugar in e.g. Yoghurt or protein pudding doesn't affect me at all.

Is there a negative correlation with certain carbs and how they act in the body when insulin spikes? (guessing here)

I've seen some bodybuilders taking a small bag of tutti-fruity before the gym, but that doesn't work at all for me. Since I dropped the sweet stuff, I feel so much better.
Just can't understand why since I loved it in recent years.

I have a thread on here called "how not to get fat while using insulin" -- I go on to say that the reason some guys end up getting fat while using insulin is because they freak themselves out every time they shoot slim and think they are going to go hypo and die, so they start pounding candy bars and all kinds of sugary junk .. its not the insulin making them fat, its their sugar binges . you need to use insulin WITH your bodybuilding diet. don't build your diet around your insulin use. there is no point in using sugar or candy when using slin.

every single client that I've helped with insulin usage and diet always has there diet and carb sources based primarily on white rice and white potatoes . no candy or junk food. glucose tabs or orange on hand in case you go hypo, or simply carb powder.

especially potatoes while using Slin. because insulin lowers blood potassium levels and potatoes are a fast acting starchy carb super high in potassium to replenish the loss.

[tbjake34]

3 grams of carbs per pound of body weight minimum, when using this protocol . so a 200 pound guy should be slamming 600 g of carbs a day, or around 100g of carbs per meal.

yes fats are limited ,. however in most all diets I write (even with the above protocol) I will often times 'fat cycle' . so I'll have select few days where healthy fats are added in and the carbs may come down some, but only for that one day. or I may add fats just to the last meal of the day (for someone that trains in the morning, and vice versa for someone who trains in the evening)

Ok so I assume these are clean carbs and no sugar?

[GearHeaded]

Ok so I assume these are clean carbs and no sugar?

rice, potatoes, white bread etc.. starches. plus carb powders. I don't really see a use in gummy bears and candy and all that crap. I mean nothing wrong with shooting some slin and having a pop tart post workout. but really white rice and potato is the best. I do plain white bagels post workout quite often

[GearHeaded]

having a whole white bagel and just 1 cup of rice will give you just over 100g of carbs, and its super easy to put down and digest. most guys can easily put down more carbs then that. so really don't need to resort to candy and junk sugar to get in extra carbs imo

[GearHeaded]

I'll keep adding to this "getting HUGE" concept

another tip

Be a MACHINE . do everything consistently and efficiently with a direct purpose. get up at the same exact time every morning (wither its a work day or off day). get up and pin your 10iu of slin and make your whey isolate shake and eat your bagel, every single morning at the same exact time like clock work.
set the alarm on your phone to go off every 2.5 hours reminding you its time to eat. eat the same foods every single day (rotate meals between chicken, steak, ground beef,, and rice, potatoes and pasta.. keep it simple). get to the gym at the same time every single day. do your 10 minute warm up the same way every single time. drink you intra workout shake the same way every single workout. Drink a large glass of whole milk every single night at 10pm for example, and thats your que that its time to go to sleep. etc etc..

ground hog day -- every day is exactly the same.

repeat that ground hog day , like a machine, every single day for 20 weeks straight . then you'll wake up one morning look in the mirror and be F'ing HUGE !!

[Dgs59]

I want to try HGH

[Dgs59]

set the alarm on your phone to go off every 2.5 hours reminding you its time to eat. eat the same foods every single day (rotate meals between chicken, steak, ground beef,, and rice, potatoes and pasta.. keep it simple).

My stomach has an alarm, my stomach starts kicking the sh!t like a baby after 2.5 hours no food


Chicken

[i_SLAM_cougars]

I'll keep adding to this "getting HUGE" concept

another tip

Be a MACHINE . do everything consistently and efficiently with a direct purpose. get up at the same exact time every morning (wither its a work day or off day). get up and pin your 10iu of slin and make your whey isolate shake and eat your bagel, every single morning at the same exact time like clock work.
set the alarm on your phone to go off every 2.5 hours reminding you its time to eat. eat the same foods every single day (rotate meals between chicken, steak, ground beef,, and rice, potatoes and pasta.. keep it simple). get to the gym at the same time every single day. do your 10 minute warm up the same way every single time. drink you intra workout shake the same way every single workout. Drink a large glass of whole milk every single night at 10pm for example, and thats your que that its time to go to sleep. etc etc..

ground hog day -- every day is exactly the same.

repeat that ground hog day , like a machine, every single day for 20 weeks straight . then you'll wake up one morning look in the mirror and be F'ing HUGE !!

I can do this about 5 days a week. Then something like yesterday happens where I shop up to work at 5am and don’t leave until 9am today. Next thing I’m scarfing down McDonald’s to make up calories

[djnuffsaid]

"Training to failure constantly" - GH

People really do that?

[GearHeaded]

"Training to failure constantly" - GH

People really do that?

yes all the time . especially among college age guys that have way more ego then they have brains.

heres an example I see all the time in my gym.. 2 college age buddies walk in. go immediately to the bench press and slap on a plate. guys starts and immediately reps it out to failure, then his spotter starts helping him force out even more reps to the point where the spotter is getting a workout from bent over rowing the guys bench press.
next set they add weight. do the same thing to past failure .. add weight and do the same thing. then they have so much ego they are going to slap on 2 plates and go for 225.. they squeeze out maybe 2 reps with the help of the spotter.

well if these knuckle heads would of just started out with a light warm up. then started out doing sets with a 5 RIR (ie, 5 reps short of failure) and then worked up to 225 they would of had plenty of gas left in the tank to make the higher intensity heavy working set much more effective with quality reps in a quality rep range.. they probably of hit 225 for 8 reps. all those reps would of been way more effective then all the junk reps they normally would of done.

you got to pick and choose your battles. you pick specific working sets as your failure sets

[HoldMyBeer]

yes all the time . especially among college age guys that have way more ego then they have brains.

heres an example I see all the time in my gym.. 2 college age buddies walk in. go immediately to the bench press and slap on a plate. guys starts and immediately reps it out to failure, then his spotter starts helping him force out even more reps to the point where the spotter is getting a workout from bent over rowing the guys bench press.
next set they add weight. do the same thing to past failure .. add weight and do the same thing. then they have so much ego they are going to slap on 2 plates and go for 225.. they squeeze out maybe 2 reps with the help of the spotter.

well if these knuckle heads would of just started out with a light warm up. then started out doing sets with a 5 RIR (ie, 5 reps short of failure) and then worked up to 225 they would of had plenty of gas left in the tank to make the higher intensity heavy working set much more effective with quality reps in a quality rep range.. they probably of hit 225 for 8 reps. all those reps would of been way more effective then all the junk reps they normally would of done.

you got to pick and choose your battles. you pick specific working sets as your failure sets

When I first started going to the gym I hired a trainer, he told me to take every set to failure. About a year later I hired another trainer, he told me to do the same thing. I took every single set to failure the first 4 years of training.
Most trainers don't keep up with research, it's unfortunate.