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    How to get HUGE

    so I'm writing this thread first as a reminder to myself more then I am helping you guys out.. I don't follow my own advice. I'm being hypocritical when I say "how to get huge" when I'm by no means huge myself .

    I've been involved in 'fitness' for a few decades, but I wasn't concerned about putting on size (I was a sponsored athlete in a cardio based sport) . I only weighed 147 pounds (but that was efficient for what I did). since deciding to give that shit up and bodybuild some I've jumped up to 210 pounds at 12% or so body fat (at 5'9"). so over 50+ pounds of muscle. but again, thats not HUGE by any means. but between my own experience and coaching lots of clients over the years I've learned a few things about what it does take to get big..

    heres a few things that maybe will help some of you guys out.


    - Steroids do NOT make you huge , especially Test only cycles. FOOD and super quality nutrition with a consistent 6-7 meals a day every single day without fail makes you big. Test can't do shit without the nutrition there

    - Steroids will only get you so far..
    Arnold had awesome genetics and was gifted to look like a bodybuilder since 12 years old. yet all he had was Steroids at his disposal
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    well thats Arnold and steroids will only get you so far

    now here is Roelly and Ronnie (which I would argue have genetics on par with Arnold, just Arnold did not have the other factors)
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    you can't just eat high protein and take test and get huge (well maybe you can if your genetically gifted).

    Ronnie was a crappy bodybuilder placing last at most shows he did (look it up this is a fact , guys like Kevin Levrone used to make fun of Ronnie asking him why he even bothered to compete cause he sucked so bad) , UNTIL Ronnie met his coach who gave him the success formula and 'other' factors needed and then Ronnie dominated.
    my point is, just hard training and eating high protein is not the formula. Ronnie already had that down and he sucked even though he had great genetics.. he blew up once his coach got him on insulin , high carb diet, hgh, and a properly formulated AAS stack and not just running some test

    - CARBS .. everyone wants to demonize carbs and sugar now days and say how bad they are. your not going to grow worth a shit without being on a high carb diet. Jay Cutler ate 1500 g of carbs in the off season and 1000 g of carbs when dieting.. he knew carbs built muscle. the idea that carbs are 'just' a fuel source and nothing more is BS . the combination of carbs/glucose with insulin is are what drives every anabolic nutrient into the muscle cell . "only protein builds muscle" lol .. how the heck you think protein gets into the muscle cells to begin with,, the amino acids catch a ride when insulin drives glucose into the muscle cells, thats how.
    the best way to drive amino acids and protein from your high protein diet is to make sure you have plenty of CARBS and sugar/glucose and insulin to make it all work.
    a high carb diet builds muscle

    - INSULIN - a game changer for a lot of guys. the idea that Insulin makes you fat is false BS touted by brain washed Keto freaks. the truth is that dietary fat gets stored as body fat naturally with enzymes, no insulin required. Insulin mainly drives glucose and nutrients into muscle cells. its not a fat storage hormone.. fat does not need any hormone to be stored. it stores itself. Carbs on the other hand cannot be stored as fat unless the body goes thorough the metabolically demanding process of converting them. fats simply store as fat without demand or challenge.. your body would much rather use carbs as a fuel source and muscle builder.
    Insulin is probably the most anabolic hormone at our disposal . it will super compensate all the benefits that come from our nutrition..
    good quality nutrition is one thing (very important), insulin simply enhances this to a whole new level. insulin is a nutrition enhancer

    - HGH . the idea that HGH isn't really anabolic and is a waste of $ for its cost to benefit ratio ,, utter BS. with the right protocols in place and legit HGH your going to put on QUALITY tissue. now sure it may take 8 months, but the gains are legit keepable gains.. your not just taking some androgen or wet AAS and blowing up existing muscle cells to look bigger while on cycle, your building real quality new tissue.
    I've got threads on HGH so won't go into much detail here.. just saying, HGH is also a game changer


    - IF it fits your macros.. bullshit. a calorie is only a measurement of energy (ie, heat), we are made from and built from much more then just energy measurements.. the quality of the calories you consume is vastly important. the macro and micro nutrients we take in are what make and support us. quality nutrition and food is super important.. being healthy is super important. you body won't want to grow when its sick from crap food.. you body won't grow when its digestive system is constantly bombarded with crap and toxins to process out


    - training to failure constantly -- you gung ho gym shits that take every set you ever do to complete failure (even your supposed warm up sets) are just shooting yourselves in the foot. constantly going to failure because of your ego (for yourself) is not helping your grow. you need to pick and choose your battles. you need to have specific sets that are planned to go to failure for an actual purpose.. not every time you pick up weight

    - to counter my last point... over training is over rated. don't be afraid of over training. don't be afraid of 2 a day training sessions. your drugs, nutrition, and sleep are going to cover you for the most part (as long as your not being a dick head going to failure on every set you do).. run a 6 week training blast, then do a 1 week de-load and your fine. your not going to over train by doing 2 a days or high volume

    - higher frequency training .. most of us are not near big and strong enough to require a 'bro split' , ie, one body part per week training program . if chest day is Monday and leg day is Wednesday and you don't hit those body parts again until next Monday and weds, then your leaving gains on the table.. I understand we grew up reading the muscle mags and seeing these bro splits popularized.. but keep in mind that most of us are not creating the homeostatic stress on a muscle group that warrants a full week of rest.. we are not benching 500 pounds for 12 reps and pushing 160 pound dumbbells . we are benching 275 and pressing 90 pound dumbbells. thats way way less volume and stress on the muscle and we don't need that whole week before training chest again
    (note-- a lot of people forget that workout 'volume' is not a calculation of reps plus sets , to properly formulate your volume load its WEIGHT x reps x sets = volume load... so again, guys that are benching 500 pounds are doing way more total volume then us mere mortals that press 275.. and thats where these bro splits come from,, 300 pound bodybuilders that have 20x the volume of us average guys cause of the amount of weight they are pushing)


    - cardio - you guys that think the best way to get huge is to eat all the cals you can, sit around all day, shoot tons of gear, and only get off the couch for your weight training session are wrong.. get up and take a walk,, jump on a spin bike for 20 mins. the cardiovascular support is only going to help make you healthy and help you grow and promote blood flow and nutrient delivery and stimulate your appetite..


    - water and minerals. this is what 70% of muscle is made of in the first place.. stay hydrated, but don't drink 2 gallons of water and be the dip shit that carries of jug of water around with him at the gym. you don't need 2 gals of water, you need way less water but with a proper electrolyte balance.. put sea salt on your food guys


    I could go on .. lol.

    hope something in this rant helps someone out in some way

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post

    I could go on .. lol.

    Please do! Love reading your rants. Keeps me motivated.
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    Very nice!

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    Great write-up GH!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    but don't drink 2 gallons of water and be the dip shit that carries of jug of water around with him at the gym
    My favorite line : )
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    another tip here for you guys that are naturally skinny ectomorphs and have super fast metabolisms and can't seem to put on size..

    add fats to all your meals. don't just eat chicken breast and rice. your going to burn right through that because of your metabolism.. adding plenty of fats to your protein and carb meals is going to slow everything down. it'll also more easily help you achieve a calorie surplus. fats are going to slow absorption of your nutrients down and help you assimilate things better.. so instead of chicken and rice , eat ground beef and pasta then some veggies with olive oil dressing and half an avocado .
    your going to grow better doing that then the traditional bodybuilding 'chicken and rice'


    side note-
    a lot of people think they are supposed to keep their fats and their carbs in separate meals or they will get fat .. so protein and carbs in meal 1 and then protein and fats at say meal 5 but no carbs at that meal . this idea is based on a misunderstanding that carbs promote an insulin spike and if you eat fats at that same time as your carbs with the insulin spike that the insulin will store those dietary fats as body fat..
    as I said before, this is not true. fats do not require insulin to be stored as body fat. they are naturally stored as body fat via enzymes, nothing more. so it makes no difference if you consume fats while insulin levels are elevated or not.

    dietary fats are constantly being stored as body fat, without insulin, even in a calorie deficit.. just because you ate carbs with your fats makes no difference. thats just how the body deals with fats. it burns a little up if needed but generally they automatically get stored and THEN are released to be used as fuel.
    even if you fasted for 40 days and were to the point of death from starvation if you suddenly came across a large fatty meal and ate it your body is going to automatically store 90% of that fat. now sure 2 hours later lipolysis may begin happening and then that fat may begin being used for energy, but generally dietary fat is automatically stored and then broken down. again no insulin needed.

    so eat your fats with your carbs if your trying to get huge


    now sure I've written up a shit ton of diets where I've separated out carb meals from fat meals. but the reason for this is not because of insulin storing the fat.. its simply because clients were wanting to stay or get lean and the diet was set up this way to more easily maintain a calorie deficit. when you combine protein, fats, and carbs all together in one single meal its very easy to ramp up your calories and be in a surplus.
    eg. carb protein only meal
    7 oz chicken breast and 1 cup of rice = 400 cal
    eg. carb protein and fat meal
    7 oz ground beef, 1 cup pasta (Mac cheese), half an avacodo = 1200 cal

    even though those two meals are generally going to be near equal volume and fill you up nearly the same.. the second meal is way higher in cals. this is why when trying to stay lean or cut you may want to separate your fats and carb meals ,, but when bulking and putting on size for a skinny guy, meal 2 is obviously the right choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    another tip here for you guys that are naturally skinny ectomorphs and have super fast metabolisms and can't seem to put on size..
    What about fat guys with poor self control? ....asking for a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie67 View Post
    What about fat guys with poor self control? ....asking for a friend.

    Is this that same friend with ED?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie67 View Post
    What about fat guys with poor self control? ....asking for a friend.
    to give the blunt non politically correct answer -- Drugs

    T3 at 50mcg
    Clen at 60mcg (20mcg upon waking)
    4iu HGH upon waking
    10mg Yohimbe upon waking
    600mg Tren per week
    50mg Winny upon waking (for cortisol suppression)
    15mg injectible Sr9009
    3iu insulin upon waking

    combined with first thing in the morning fasted cardio. medium intensity steady state 40+ mins

    after 6 weeks your 'friend' will no longer be the fat guy (diet depending of course.. but even so the above formula is magic)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post

    - water and minerals. this is what 70% of muscle is made of in the first place.. stay hydrated, but don't drink 2 gallons of water and be the dip shit that carries of jug of water around with him at the gym. you don't need 2 gals of water, you need way less water but with a proper electrolyte balance.. put sea salt on your food guys
    just to clarify this some. too much water can actually dehydrate you, as crazy as that sounds.. it can strip you body of minerals and electrolytes. this is NOT good for putting on muscle. just make sure to drink enough water, drink for thirst (don't force gallon drugs down your throat just because) and then make sure to get plenty of minerals, salt, and electrolytes.
    oh yea, and CarboHYDRATES . carbs will help you stay muscularly full and hydrated. water, minerals, salt, electrolytes, and carbs

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    Just out of curiosity does something like this make sense to help offset the yoyo effect of cycle pct grow lose grow lose to help level out sustainable consistent growth combined with a couple cycles. I know TRT is an easy answer but I'm not ready to commit to that.

    Year Round Growth Protocol
    HGH 3-4iu / day
    Insulin on workout days
    Anything else suggested

    AAS Cycle 1 to 2 times a year

    Obviously like you said a consistent and well structured diet for the goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeCee112 View Post
    Just out of curiosity does something like this make sense to help offset the yoyo effect of cycle pct grow lose grow lose to help level out sustainable consistent growth combined with a couple cycles. I know TRT is an easy answer but I'm not ready to commit to that.

    Year Round Growth Protocol
    HGH 3-4iu / day
    Insulin on workout days
    Anything else suggested

    AAS Cycle 1 to 2 times a year

    Obviously like you said a consistent and well structured diet for the goals.

    I think I have threads I've started that show my phase cycling approach and what an 'off cycle' would like like for guys that cruise , and also a thread for bridging and what an off cycle would look like for guys that actually come off and pct (fyi - I only recommend one pct per year, not a pct after every single cycle)..

    I actually don't think TRT is the easy answer, unless your a new lifter. all TRT does is get normal people to normal levels of testosterone . thats it, nothing more. TRT is not going to maintain suprahysioligical gains. your T levels while on TRT might be the same as your 60 year old neighbor who doesn't lift and looks like shit. thats all TRT does is get you 'normal' from being 'sick'. TRT is not going to sustain anything other then normal gains that could of been made naturally if you had normal T levels to begin with.
    the easy answer for someone that bodybuilds is to come off cycle and then cruise on 300+mg of an anabolic with 150+mg of test. dropping to TRT only is just going back to being natty

    but anyhow, IF your going to come completely off of AAS for awhile and do you once per year PCT, then this is what I recommend running to make/keep gains

    HGH 4-6iu per day
    MK677 25mg per night
    Clen 20-40mcg per day
    T4 75mcg per day
    Insulin, DAILY 10iu upon waking with meal one
    Insulin, 20-30iu per day based on meals and training protocols
    Intra workout nutrition
    IGF 100mcg per day

    that will keep you anabolic enough while androgen receptors are not stimulated, estrogen levels fall off and you reset your natty production


    and again, I don't think you should cycle just 1 time per year if your choosing to enter this lifestyle.. I think you should PCT once per year, not cycle once per year. once you get on , your on and you stay on and commit to the process and you take a break once per year.. being off all year and cycling only once per year does not make sense to me and I see no point in it . just stay natty . but also why I'm an advocate of phase cycling and don't really ever recommend the traditional 12 week cycle approach where guys run a single cycle for 12 weeks and then pct and get off for a long time (most guys that do that are just spinning their wheels and not really building an impressive physique , and if they are getting jacked its because of their diet and training being on point and not because of their AAS approach .. they could of probably got smilier results being natty)
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    nice post but....
    if you are going to show a picture of Arnold at least give him a little respect...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    nice post but....
    if you are going to show a picture of Arnold at least give him a little respect...

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    the difference between Roelly, Ronnie, etc. and Arnold, is that the former are full time body builders. where as Arnold, especially later on , was a part time bodybuilder (too busy going to acting school and taking ballet). so theres lots of photos of Arnold looking jacked to the gills when he was close to a show and on plenty of gear, but also lots of pics where he looked so so.
    same with Kevin Levrone , who knows how many Olympias he may have won if he actually was a full time body builder .. instead he looked like this on occasions
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    compared to this
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    so it wasn't out of disrespect I posted that pic of Arnold, as thats probably how he looked most the time. it was just to prove a point that he had plenty of steroids and only got so big compared to guys today that actually do get massively huge

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    want to get HUGE and build a good solid foundation .. stop doing so many damn exercises then !

    if on chest day your doing 15 different exercises in a single workout, your cutting yourself short.. instead pick a few exercises that you can really feel your chest contract and stick to those. that way you can perfect those exercises and progressively overload them over time. you don't need to bounce around and do every chest machine in the gym and try and hit every angle (especially you new and intermediate lifters).
    for eg.. just stick with incline barbell bench press, dumbbell press, and chest fly/pec dec . do just those for 12 weeks. if your pressing 265 on incline for 8 reps when your start, then keep working until you hit 12 reps, then progress more and add weight and hit 285 for 8 reps, etc.. that way you can track and see your progress.
    you can't do that if every chest day your bouncing all over the gym and doing everything under the sun. now sure, maybe after 12 weeks your going to pick a few new chest exercises and drop the current ones. but again, stick with something long enough and stick to the basics so you can perfect your form and really start to get into the muscle
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    What is huge? U dont need hgh/slin to be huge in your town.

    My 2 cents. Up carbs every week. If fater, up cardio.
    Else follow most "Google advices" along with some 1 g two times a year.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    What is huge? U dont need hgh/slin to be huge in your town.

    My 2 cents. Up carbs every week. If fater, up cardio.
    Else follow most "Google advices" along with some 1 g two times a year.



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    No offense intended Sil. You are a very big dude, with a very nice physique.

    But, you wouldn’t stand out at any of the 2 gyms that I work out at.

    Time to supersede my genetics. TY GH!
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    Damn GH!
    Yet another super helpful post

    Keep them coming hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    What is huge? U dont need hgh/slin to be huge in your town.
    "need" is a relative term.. of course you don't "need" hgh/slin , but they most certainly do assist in putting on size. guys like Dava Palumbo, Nasser, Ruhl, and Ronnie all got to above 300+ pounds by utilizing hgh/slin , NOT by running a gram of test only 2x per year.

    also hgh and slin has helped your physique put on size ,, you've used plenty of MK677 (ie, hgh output) and have utilized a high carb diet (ie, insulin output).. so even in your situation to a certain degree hgh/slin were "needed" to put on size
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    Great info but... for what i know insulin is a factor which is involved in LPL enzyme activation that as is well known, is responsable about fat storing; otherwise low level of insulin and the related high level of catecolamines lower LPL activity while increasing HSL enzyme activity which is one of the most important agent involved in fat acids releasing.

    So, it sounds me strange what you say about insulin and its involving in fat acids storing as an indipendent mechanism by the enzymes mentioned before, as they are strongly drived by the hormones/catecolamines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    Great info but... for what i know insulin is a factor which is involved in LPL enzyme activation that as is well known, is responsable about fat storing; otherwise low level of insulin and the related high level of catecolamines lower LPL activity while increasing HSL enzyme activity which is one of the most important agent involved in fat acids releasing.

    So, it sounds me strange what you say about insulin and its involving in fat acids storing as an indipendent mechanism by the enzymes mentioned before, as they are strongly drived by the hormones/catecolamines.
    well my intent in my rant was just to keep things pretty "bro" and basic and practical and not really dive deep into the biology of things.. Insulin can have an 'Indirect' effect on fat storage, sure. but my main point was to dispel the myth that insulin is just a fat storage hormone and that if you add dietary fats to your carb meals then your going to get a spike in insulin and then end up storing those fats as body fat. if your eating 100g of fats per day, wither those fats are eaten separately or with your carb meals does not make a difference , as they will store wither you get an insulin spike from carbs or not. the insulin spike is not the direct factor.

    so the practical take home point here , is go ahead and add a half an avacodo to your chicken and rice meal. just because the chicken and rice are going to spike your insulin does not mean your going to be more prone to storing body fat then if you had the avocado separately. dietary fats can store naturally wither insulin gets spiked or not.
    and as I mentioned earlier, especially if your a hard gainer, adding fats into your carb and protein meals will help slow everything down and assimilate better and make it easier for you to maintain a calorie surplus


    note - and for you exogenous insulin users, the idea that you have to be on a super low fat diet when running insulin otherwise you'll get fat from the insulin and dietary fat , not true. if your in a calorie surplus, your dietary fats or going to likely store wither you were taking insulin or not.
    the reason why some guys end up putting on a little extra fat when running slin is because of their constant fear of going hypo and thus eating a bunch of sugar and candy and junk food all the time,, rather then using slin with their existing diet. they jump on slin and all the sudden their cals jump up 2000 cals because of their mental fear of going hypo . its not the inulin making them fat, its the surplus of junk food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    Great info but... for what i know insulin is a factor which is involved in LPL enzyme activation that as is well known, is responsable about fat storing; otherwise low level of insulin and the related high level of catecolamines lower LPL activity while increasing HSL enzyme activity which is one of the most important agent involved in fat acids releasing.

    So, it sounds me strange what you say about insulin and its involving in fat acids storing as an indipendent mechanism by the enzymes mentioned before, as they are strongly drived by the hormones/catecolamines.
    Pros and amateurs alike use insulin to cut. You can bulk, maintain, or cut with it.
    If you can't do all three you can't compete with todays animals at most amateur shows.

    Fat storage is subject to unused energy and food.
    If a person is on a blend of AAS and a good training regiment there will be no fat storage unless they are just bulking and bulking and bulking with no direction.

    I have used up to 80 iu of novolog in a day with no fat storage @ 1000+ grams of carbs.

    I used to think shooting more and more AAS in large doses would give me an edge.
    Shooting a couple grams of AAS and a nd increasing insulin food and training will will get you farther than all the gear food and training in the world.

    It is anabolic . The building block of muscle forcing nutrients into your muscle cells.
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    how to get HUGE - next tip

    MK677 with Insulin - increase growth factors and appetite


    so a lot of guys struggle to put on size simply because they can't get enough calories in, especially quality calories. they have a crap appetite. I'm one of those guys. I can easily fast for days or get by on just one meal per day. when I'm eating 6 meals per day its because I'm forcing myself too, or I'm using this protocol.

    MK677 - 25mg at night and 25mg in the AM . now sure this is going to increase your HGH and IGF levels and help you grow, but its also going to greatly increase your appetite via its Ghrelin attributes. you'll likely be ravenous and be able to eat a ton more then you could before.

    Insulin - 10iu three to four times per day. now sure this is going to be synergetic with the MK and the increased HGH levels and thus force more hepatic output of IGF,, but its also going to fuel your appetite some and help drive all those nutrients your taking in. your blood sugar levels will begin dropping after taking the 10iu and that will signal for hunger and desire to eat.. and if you don't eat you'll go hypo and pass out. so thats a bit of motivation there

    added benefit from these, cortisol suppression (a catabolic hormone). you'll be limiting gluconeogenisis, where the liver is breaking down proteins to convert to glucose (as cortisol plays a role in this process) ,, so you'll have more available proteins and you won't be breaking down muscle tissue to use as fuel.
    this is one of many reasons I may have a client running insulin even when cutting.

    side note - MK677 is hyperglycemic and Insulin is of course Hypoglycemic . so they help counter balance each other. theres also less chance of going hypo running slin if your running MK with it twice daily.. when I run MK I can wake up first thing in the morning and shoot 10iu of slin and only take in a protein shake and not go hypo , but when not running MK and I do this I have to have carbs with it.. because the MK is hyperglycemic and freeing stored glucose in the liver into the blood stream to be constantly available for energy. MK will cause your blood sugar to be about 20 points higher on average
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    MK677 with Insulin - increase growth factors and appetite


    so a lot of guys struggle to put on size simply because they can't get enough calories in, especially quality calories. they have a crap appetite. I'm one of those guys. I can easily fast for days or get by on just one meal per day. when I'm eating 6 meals per day its because I'm forcing myself too, or I'm using this protocol.

    MK677 - 25mg at night and 25mg in the AM . now sure this is going to increase your HGH and IGF levels and help you grow, but its also going to greatly increase your appetite via its Ghrelin attributes. you'll likely be ravenous and be able to eat a ton more then you could before.

    Insulin - 10iu three to four times per day. now sure this is going to be synergetic with the MK and the increased HGH levels and thus force more hepatic output of IGF,, but its also going to fuel your appetite some and help drive all those nutrients your taking in. your blood sugar levels will begin dropping after taking the 10iu and that will signal for hunger and desire to eat.. and if you don't eat you'll go hypo and pass out. so thats a bit of motivation there

    added benefit from these, cortisol suppression (a catabolic hormone). you'll be limiting gluconeogenisis, where the liver is breaking down proteins to convert to glucose (as cortisol plays a role in this process) ,, so you'll have more available proteins and you won't be breaking down muscle tissue to use as fuel.
    this is one of many reasons I may have a client running insulin even when cutting.

    side note - MK677 is hyperglycemic and Insulin is of course Hypoglycemic . so they help counter balance each other. theres also less chance of going hypo running slin if your running MK with it twice daily.. when I run MK I can wake up first thing in the morning and shoot 10iu of slin and only take in a protein shake and not go hypo , but when not running MK and I do this I have to have carbs with it.. because the MK is hyperglycemic and freeing stored glucose in the liver into the blood stream to be constantly available for energy. MK will cause your blood sugar to be about 20 points higher on average
    Unrelated question regarding higher hepatotoxic compounds (such as tren , sdrol, etc):
    If a cycle is run with such compounds, that towards the end your body is spending a lot of energy trying to fight the toxicity as opposed to building muscle and gains slow down. So it's usually best to save such compounds for the last 4 weeks or so of the cycle. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    "need" is a relative term.. of course you don't "need" hgh/slin , but they most certainly do assist in putting on size. guys like Dava Palumbo, Nasser, Ruhl, and Ronnie all got to above 300+ pounds by utilizing hgh/slin , NOT by running a gram of test only 2x per year.

    also hgh and slin has helped your physique put on size ,, you've used plenty of MK677 (ie, hgh output) and have utilized a high carb diet (ie, insulin output).. so even in your situation to a certain degree hgh/slin were "needed" to put on size
    There is a Big difference beetween MK677 and pharm HGH and doing insulin shots and the natural insulin produced when eating carbs. Come on man.

    For pro BB huge hgh slin is a must. But extremely few wanna look like a top ten Olympian theses days. Yet many wanna look huge.

    Cmon on man, dont be like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    Unrelated question regarding higher hepatotoxic compounds (such as tren , sdrol, etc):
    If a cycle is run with such compounds, that towards the end your body is spending a lot of energy trying to fight the toxicity as opposed to building muscle and gains slow down. So it's usually best to save such compounds for the last 4 weeks or so of the cycle. Thoughts?
    if your getting toxic and its effecting your ability to eat, train hard, sleep, and recover, etc.. then progress will hault and you'll be spinning your wheels. its completely fine to just pull the plug on the cycle and just cruise for a little while and get back to feeling good and restart (unless your like 6 weeks out from a show and you just need to grind it out cause you have to get shredded)..

    now to avoid this, I generally do phase cycling and compound rotation. that way you can 'detox' from those harsh compounds yet continue with your cycle..

    so for example
    weeks 1-4 your running Anadrol and weeks 1-6 Tren
    then after those 6 weeks I pull those out completely and in week 7 I start up say Primo and higher dose Test (both of which are not toxic).. then run that for about 5 weeks then add in Var at a moderate dose, say 30mg.. the Var is an oral but its not 'toxic' (its actually been prescribed to treat liver disease because of its regenerate properties)..
    then later on I may rotate in some Superdrol, which is Toxic and only run that for 4 weeks . then after that I may pull all those compounds out and run some LGD40 and just a TRT dose of test.

    by rotating compounds your able to detox to a certain degree yet continue to stay anabolic and fairly healthy .. you just have to know which compounds negatively effect you and which compounds you feel great on
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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    There is a Big difference beetween MK677 and pharm HGH and doing insulin shots and the natural insulin produced when eating carbs. Come on man.

    For pro BB huge hgh slin is a must. But extremely few wanna look like a top ten Olympian theses days. Yet many wanna look huge.

    Cmon on man, dont be like this.

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    Mk677 , which person dependent can be equal to running 4iu of HGH per day , stacked with a super high carb diet where your keeping insulin levels elevated all day long , can be very effective at suppressing cortisol, increasing IGF output, and ultimately putting on size .

    so "C'mon" what .. I'm just saying that combo can be effective . if you didn't think it was effective you wouldn't be doing it yourself lol


    of course pharma HGH and exogenous slin are going to be more effective . but you started off by saying you didn't need them to get huge , but now your changing your tune

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    Ffs man, we need to get Admin to get a play button just for GH posts, to much reading for a fatty . Really really enjoy reading your well educated pin point information GH.

    Thank you.
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    I think people have the wrong approach to cardio. Driving to the gym, getting on the stair master, elliptical, or whatever for X amount of minutes Y times per week is not appetizing. There is only so much music you can listen to on a treadmill before you lose your mind.

    Not to mention the inconvenience, traffic, time commitment, etc.

    Very simple but effective cardio strategy:

    10 minute walk (preferably after a meal) 2-3 times per day
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    Moderate walking (30-45 minutes) 1 time per week
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    how to get HUGE - next tip

    TRAINING

    you hear people now days saying that diet is 90% of the equation, or drugs are the main factor .. or or or.

    take Dorian Yates for eg., if you give him all the drugs he took and give him all the food and nutrition he took in, but took away his training, then he would be a normal non lifting asshole on the streets and not the Dorian Yates we all know..

    Training itself IS the stimulus . its the altar we go worship at. its the place we bring everything else we are doing to fruition.

    IF you don't know how to train properly and engage and create that stimulus, you will always fail.. your spinning your wheels. the Gym, the Iron, the Struggle, is our Church our Altar our end all be all for gains. There is nothing without it.

    ask me how much protein you should take in a day, if you should be taking fish oil supplements,, if you should inject your AAS daily to make more consistent blood levels, if you should weigh your food and count your macros,, what your blood work looks like.. blah blah blah . GO fuck yourself. if you don't know how to train and push the iron then nothing else matters.
    if you skip the gym and your workouts but don't skip your damn daily crap supplements and multi vitamins you take daily , then your never going to get huge.

    training is everything. thats your Altar..come and worship that first and fore most.. then the food/diet is your sacrament.

    if you can't train properly and love the iron game , you have no chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
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    TRAINING

    you hear people now days saying that diet is 90% of the equation, or drugs are the main factor .. or or or.

    take Dorian Yates for eg., if you give him all the drugs he took and give him all the food and nutrition he took in, but took away his training, then he would be a normal non lifting asshole on the streets and not the Dorian Yates we all know..

    Training itself IS the stimulus . its the altar we go worship at. its the place we bring everything else we are doing to fruition.

    IF you don't know how to train properly and engage and create that stimulus, you will always fail.. your spinning your wheels. the Gym, the Iron, the Struggle, is our Church our Altar our end all be all for gains. There is nothing without it.

    ask me how much protein you should take in a day, if you should be taking fish oil supplements,, if you should inject your AAS daily to make more consistent blood levels, if you should weigh your food and count your macros,, what your blood work looks like.. blah blah blah . GO fuck yourself. if you don't know how to train and push the iron then nothing else matters.
    if you skip the gym and your workouts but don't skip your damn daily crap supplements and multi vitamins you take daily , then your never going to get huge.

    training is everything. thats your Altar..come and worship that first and fore most.. then the food/diet is your sacrament.

    if you can't train properly and love the iron game , you have no chance
    Thanks for all these tips. Really appreciate how you share your knowledge on this forum. It's helping me a lot!
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    So GH, I’m hooked, problem is, I’m out of the house at 6 am, not home till 5:30.

    Plus, like many, absolutely can’t have any needles or HGH at the workplace.

    Matt Porter mentioned an am, long lasting insulin . Could that & HGH be a good am start, then throughout the day use MK 677 and something like

    TY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    So GH, I’m hooked, problem is, I’m out of the house at 6 am, not home till 5:30.

    Plus, like many, absolutely can’t have any needles or HGH at the workplace.

    Matt Porter mentioned an am, long lasting insulin . Could that & HGH be a good am start, then throughout the day use MK 677 and something like

    TY!

    for putting on size, in this scenario . I'd recommend waking up and pinning HGH around 4iu . then take about 10iu of insulin and slam a whey protein shake down, 40g of protein, with 50g of carbs (you could do a pop tart and a banana) . now your set for your morning. if your using a regular acting insulin like Novalin- r , then you'll want to consume another carb meal about 2.5 hours later.

    the above scenario is going to start your day off by suppressing Cortisol, turning on Anabolism, and driving nutrients from being fasted from sleeping.

    then when you get back home later post workout, you can repeat the exact same protocol . so no needles needed with you at work or the gym.


    extra options are of course MK677 dosed at night then again in the morning .. and then using 'oral insulin' (a secretagogue) with your carb meals when your at work .. as far as anyone is concerned your just taking vitamins, and oral insulin secretagogues are totally legal (but then again so is injectible insulin in most US states)


    long acting basal insulin is also an option, but this is a bit more advanced protocol that I generally don't recommend except for to guys that have used insulin a long time. and even then, I like to combine basal insulin with fast acting or regular acting insulin.
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    I should probably point out this , regarding last posts advice

    the idea that you have to take HGH fasted and not eat for like an hour after injection is complete BS . HGH works no matter if your fasted or not because its exogenously and directly entering the blood stream , ITS the GHRPs and GHRHs that need to be taken when fasted.

    now yes, I will have clients who are cutting take their HGH fasted and then not eat and do fasted cardio . but this is just to enhance fat burning from the lipolytic effects of HGH

    for muscle growth and anabolism , taking HGH with a meal is totally fine. in fact its preferred , especially with insulin , because of HGH's effects in raising blood sugar. elevated blood sugar, then dumping carbs from a meal in, then having super elevated insulin levels is going to promote a lot of growth factors and also enhance IGF production.

    so taking HGH and insulin in the morning with meal #1 is totally fine , for growth ( not my preferred method for fat loss though)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I think people have the wrong approach to cardio. Driving to the gym, getting on the stair master, elliptical, or whatever for X amount of minutes Y times per week is not appetizing. There is only so much music you can listen to on a treadmill before you lose your mind.

    Not to mention the inconvenience, traffic, time commitment, etc.

    Very simple but effective cardio strategy:

    10 minute walk (preferably after a meal) 2-3 times per day
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    Sex Power Hour 1-2 times per week
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    Moderate walking (30-45 minutes) 1 time per week
    Or even better, get a treadmilll for the house. I only listen to music when at the gym. Most treadmills nowadays have a tablet holder, so I play YouTube videos on mine while doing cardio. Don’t have a girlfriend right now, so I guess you’re telling me to go f*ck myself??
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    I heard an interview with Chris Aceto (for those of you who don't know he is one of the best bodybuilding coaches in the world).. in the interview he got tired of people jabbing him and saying "Chris doesn't even look likes he lifts, why hire him" , and his response was " I don't frickin lift , geesh, I'm a coach" . I thought it was funny , the honesty. he's a skinny little non lifting guy (though back in the day 3 decades ago he was pretty jacked)..


    Bill Bellicheck , the New England patriots coach has never thrown an NFL touchdown. its not his job. he's the damn coach. but look at all the superbowl wins. thats his job, win superbowls.
    the idea that you have to be an IFBB pro and you got there yourself to be a good bodybuilding coach is total BS and only touted by retired lack luster IFBB pros who are trying to coach now cause they don't make money as a third tier bodybuilder. coaching is coaching. you don't have to be a pro yourself to be a good coach, in fact the best bodybuilding coaches in the world never went pro and instead focused on the science and understanding of bodybuilding because thats where there passion was..


    I've had lots of people over the years online ask me about my physique . because "I talk a big game", but maybe I'm some skinny 120 pound coumputer nerd sitting behind a screen .. just like Chris Acetos response though, basically , so what if I was . if I'm helping you guys out just because I like to see people succeed, so what about what I look like. but this is a very vain industry. especially online . I own a gym with 800 members and train 100s of clients in person ,, no one there has to ask for pics or ask what I look like . they frickin train with me lol , but more importantly they get to talk to me and see my passion in person and know I'm real. does not matter at that point what my physique looks like.


    but I do lift.. so fine.

    I'm not huge by any means. I've had a rough go of it over the last 5 years especially. countless surgeries, bed ridden a year and a half, stuck in a walker and half crippled. its been a struggle , but shit we all struggle . thats life. trying to work on what I have to work with right now. I've made some progress since my last surgeries (having had lost 40 pounds of muscle) no doubts that I can add 20 pounds of muscle to this if I focus on it
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    like I said in post #1 .. most the advice I'm giving here is advise I'm giving to myself first. I need to coach my damn self and get HUGE !!!

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    Great thread and informations. I would like to add a few things:

    Coming close to your natural limit without PEDs !
    The best Bodybuilders started early and jumped on AAS maybe after 7-10 years of natural BB ! (if you start at the age of 12 for example).
    This changes the whole body. E.g. if you use the AAS you need to workout super heavy and intense to use its potential (as GH mentioned with the example of Dorian Yates).
    The body adapts to heavy training after YEARS, for example the brain releases more opiates acting as a pain killer when you workout - Do you remember the newbies dropping the weight early and say "this hurts...". So this is one reason... Learn this skill of heavy and intense workout first and dont use stuff like DBOL or other stimulants to boost your performance, you cant buy neuronal adaption with drugs.
    To my mind most guys in the gym are limited by their "head". I barely see guys going to real failure because they just cant withstand the pain. Leg extension for example is a great exercise where it separates the wheat from the chaff... (it hurts )


    Using smart amounts of AAS.

    I am sure that all these heavy cycles and frontloading with big dosages changes the environment at multiple metabolic pathways, e.g. the 'overstimulation' of the androgen receptor sites would probably decrease the response for cellular protein synthesis signals.
    So "drowning" the receptors with all kind of roids will maybe lead to desensitization OVER TIME and to get huge requires continual growth, so be smart with the "weapons".
    Smart and continual growth, even freaks would stagnate and never get huge with the wrong PED protocols.

    Furthermore you notice this decreasing response of the body in each cycle. Depending on the compound, the body adapts quickly after several weeks because he notices the altered homeostasis. In conclusion cortisol and estrogen production raises (negative feed back loop).
    This negative feed back loop is highly genetic as well and the reason why we run the phase shift protocols with different compounds.
    So genetics play a role - The huge guys are just hyper-responders to the PEDs

    "Hyper-response" means also sensitivity
    To my mind Sensitiviy is definitely important to get huge.
    One example:
    Insulin just merges just with cellular receptor sites - There the magic is happening (look for "GPI" and "IPG"), many growth factors are triggered including the synthesis of protein, steroid hormons (synergy !!) and glycogen.
    For this a clean diet is required. E.g. if there is no building material for the GPI and IPG (mediators for the synthesis), then insulin is just useless.
    The better this synthesis is with less amount of insulin, the more sensitive you are and the bigger you get.
    And again: more is not better; dont throw too much slin in your body... clean up your diet first, most ppl just get fat from slin...

    The described chain is also highly genetic. Just look at Ronnie Coleman, he looked like a normal BB with AAS, but hyper responded to insulin like crazy !

    One more thing coming in my mind:
    side effect tolerance.
    To get huge you need high amounts of PEDs in your body. The above mentioned "negative feedback loop" to that are side effects of course, such as insomnia bad blood lipids, etc.
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    GH, how about men’s physique? Are those guys using HGH and slin for those physiques?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBrah View Post
    GH, how about men’s physique? Are those guys using HGH and slin for those physiques?
    Yes of course.
    Even amateurs run it.
    The difference are genetic factors I mentioned above.

    Nothing will breed on a bad ground, no matter how much fertilizer you throw on it.
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