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Thread: Kickstart For Test-E Cycle - Anavar Vs Dianabol Vs Anadrol

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    Kickstart For Test-E Cycle - Anavar Vs Dianabol Vs Anadrol

    I want to throw in an oral kickstart for my 20 week test-e cycle (500mg/week).

    I was leaning towards Anavar because of the hardening of the muscles/low side effects/fat decrease.

    However i'm thinking of ordering Dianabol because of the increased strength compared to Anavar (leaving Anavar for the end).

    Never used Dianabol before so i'm anxious of the potential gyno sides and e2 control. I have Arimidex and Nolvadex on hand not sure if i will have to increase use it if i add only 10-20mg Dianabol per day. The plan is to use 0,25mg of Arimidex eod during the whole test-e cycle.

    Currently using Cialis 5-10mg per day not sure if that could keep the e2 under control without increasing AI? I have a remarkable estrogen decrease from Cialis alone... Any advice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mula View Post
    I want to throw in an oral kickstart for my 20 week test-e cycle (500mg/week).

    I was leaning towards Anavar because of the hardening of the muscles/low side effects/fat decrease.

    However i'm thinking of ordering Dianabol because of the increased strength compared to Anavar (leaving Anavar for the end).

    Never used Dianabol before so i'm anxious of the potential gyno sides and e2 control. I have Arimidex and Nolvadex on hand not sure if i will have to increase use it if i add only 10-20mg Dianabol per day. The plan is to use 0,25mg of Arimidex eod during the whole test-e cycle.

    Currently using Cialis 5-10mg per day not sure if that could keep the e2 under control without increasing AI? I have a remarkable estrogen decrease from Cialis alone... Any advice?
    Why do u need a kickstart when ur gonna do a 5 months cycle?
    If u use dbol , u eat the dessert first with that cycle.
    5 months test e?...man..i would never do that.....almost like a pimped cruise.

    Enough of that talk. Consider LGD. It will hit quick, but the gains will not too much. Meaning, when the test e kicks, further gains will occure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AR's King Silabolin View Post
    Why do u need a kickstart when ur gonna do a 5 months cycle?
    If u use dbol , u eat the dessert first with that cycle.
    5 months test e?...man..i would never do that.....almost like a pimped cruise.

    Enough of that talk. Consider LGD. It will hit quick, but the gains will not too much. Meaning, when the test e kicks, further gains will occure.

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    You've completely confused me bro. Why would 20 weeks be so bad? Kickstart because before the test-e kicks in i already have strength gains.

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    along time to shut system down if u want to restart it.

    you are young, get in and out. TRT is not a cool thing.
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    With a planned 20 weeker I'd almost run either Abombz or Dbol at the beginning AND the end.

    I consider Anavar relegated to cutting duty only just purely because of cost more than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuhlFreak55 View Post
    Abombz or Dbol at the beginning AND the end.
    I second that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mula View Post
    You've completely confused me bro. Why would 20 weeks be so bad? Kickstart because before the test-e kicks in i already have strength gains.
    Well after about 12-14 weeks, you're gains are going to taper off and then you won't be gaining much (if at all) after that. Add to that you increase the risk of your HPTA not recovering. Not to mention the effect it's going to have on your lipid profile, your RBC and your blood pressure.

    Mooseman's right. Just get in and get out and then start thinking about the next cycle.

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    I will be using HCG during the cycle and have 4 vials of test-e 250mg/ml.

    Also have a total of 1750mg of anavar from Balkan that's basically worth 6 weeks of anavar dosed at 40mg per day. Have nolvadex and arimidex as well.

    Have the advice of a 20 week cycle coming from reddit's steroid wiki:

    The Basic Bulk

    The Basic Bulk, that is recommend, is a 12–20 week cycle of Testosterone while running a moderate calorie surplus with emphasis on gaining as much lean muscle tissue as possible and progressively adding weight to your lifts. Testosterone is a powerful tool, if used correctly and can put a good +12–15lbs of LEAN mass on you (excluding water and fat gain) over the course of 16 weeks.

    Why 4 Vials of Testosterone?
    On a lot of forums the first cycle advised to new steroid users is 10-12 weeks. 10 weeks is slightly too little. 12 weeks is fine, but you will have Test left in the vial. For this reason, you may go up to 16–20 weeks. Given this is your first cycle and will likely yield some of the most dramatic results, (assuming diet, training and rest are on point) you want to strike a balance between maximizing your gain and minimizing the time it will take to recover from the cycle and any potential side effects. It is always recommended to at least PCT for your first cycle vs. Blast & Cruise.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mula View Post
    I will be using HCG during the cycle and have 4 vials of test-e 250mg/ml.

    Also have a total of 1750mg of anavar from Balkan that's basically worth 6 weeks of anavar dosed at 40mg per day. Have nolvadex and arimidex as well.

    Have the advice of a 20 week cycle coming from reddit's steroid wiki:

    The Basic Bulk

    The Basic Bulk, that is recommend, is a 12–20 week cycle of Testosterone while running a moderate calorie surplus with emphasis on gaining as much lean muscle tissue as possible and progressively adding weight to your lifts. Testosterone is a powerful tool, if used correctly and can put a good +12–15lbs of LEAN mass on you (excluding water and fat gain) over the course of 16 weeks.

    Why 4 Vials of Testosterone?
    On a lot of forums the first cycle advised to new steroid users is 10-12 weeks. 10 weeks is slightly too little. 12 weeks is fine, but you will have Test left in the vial. For this reason, you may go up to 16–20 weeks. Given this is your first cycle and will likely yield some of the most dramatic results, (assuming diet, training and rest are on point) you want to strike a balance between maximizing your gain and minimizing the time it will take to recover from the cycle and any potential side effects. It is always recommended to at least PCT for your first cycle vs. Blast & Cruise.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle
    Do you honestly believe you're going to have 10 ml of gear in each vial? And even if it did, that's a stupid reason to extend to 20 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong View Post
    Do you honestly believe you're going to have 10 ml of gear in each vial? And even if it did, that's a stupid reason to extend to 20 weeks.
    I don't think it will last for 20 weeks either. Probably more like 16 weeks... But that was not that the question going little bit off topic here. Guess i will just stick to anavar kickstart and leave dbol for a next cycle. I don't want estrogen sides that i won't be able to control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mula View Post
    I don't think it will last for 20 weeks either. Probably more like 16 weeks... But that was not that the question going little bit off topic here. Guess i will just stick to anavar kickstart and leave dbol for a next cycle. I don't want estrogen sides that i won't be able to control.
    Why don't you just run test only? You obviously haven't done gear before. Just start with test for 10-14 weeks and then worry about adding compounds in later cycles.
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    20 weeks is a pro athlete on their 10th cycle.

    You don't even know how you react to these compounds. Try Test alone. You might not need an AI at all.

    I've never used anything to control estrogen/e2.

    Start easy. Titrate up over the years. This is a LONG and complicated game.

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    Reddit is WHACK!!!

    Spend some time here and learn the truth, here's a good starting point:
    https://www.steroid.com/steroid_cycles.php

    It's best to use as few chemicals as possible. Like HK said it's best to run Test only for cycle #1 to see how you respond it. Then add one compound per cycle to see which stacks/cocktails work best for you, and also to avoid confounding data, i.e., if a problem arises you'll know which compound is responsible.

    Here's a good place to better familiarize yourself with aas properties: https://www.steroid.com/steroid_profiles.php

    Like Cylon said, be goal-oriented. It makes no sense to kickstart with a cutter if you're bulking, and vice versa.

    Also, ONLY add ancillaries if a problem/condition arises (or of you experienced one before with a given compound), not just because you heard that you should.

    Lastly, stay away from Reddit, I can't count the number of guys who've come to me with bad advice from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mula View Post
    I will be using HCG during the cycle and have 4 vials of test-e 250mg/ml.

    Also have a total of 1750mg of anavar from Balkan that's basically worth 6 weeks of anavar dosed at 40mg per day. Have nolvadex and arimidex as well.

    Have the advice of a 20 week cycle coming from reddit's steroid wiki:

    The Basic Bulk

    The Basic Bulk, that is recommend, is a 12–20 week cycle of Testosterone while running a moderate calorie surplus with emphasis on gaining as much lean muscle tissue as possible and progressively adding weight to your lifts. Testosterone is a powerful tool, if used correctly and can put a good +12–15lbs of LEAN mass on you (excluding water and fat gain) over the course of 16 weeks.

    Why 4 Vials of Testosterone?
    On a lot of forums the first cycle advised to new steroid users is 10-12 weeks. 10 weeks is slightly too little. 12 weeks is fine, but you will have Test left in the vial. For this reason, you may go up to 16–20 weeks. Given this is your first cycle and will likely yield some of the most dramatic results, (assuming diet, training and rest are on point) you want to strike a balance between maximizing your gain and minimizing the time it will take to recover from the cycle and any potential side effects. It is always recommended to at least PCT for your first cycle vs. Blast & Cruise.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/your_first_cycle

    Man, I'm glad you decided to ask this question here.

    If you need proof that Reddit is f*ing garbage and lacks credibility, just look at the wiki article: Why 4 Vials of Testosterone? You'll find that vials come in different shapes and sizes, and the amount of test in each vial is going to vary. Also, having leftover test in the vial doesn't mean that you should extend the cycle from 12 weeks to 16-20 weeks. And finally, I don't think you'll have enough leftover test to add 4-8 weeks; although, you def. should buy a little more than you need for 12 weeks just to be safe and ensure that you have enough (for 12 weeks).

    Your Cycle: 12 weeks at 500mg/week, that's all. I've never seen anyone recommend 16-20 weeks for a first cycle.

    The other members will likely advise against using a second compound. If you're going to use one anyways, and you're bulking, then Dbol over Var. Can't speak to Anadrol .

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    I want to try dbol would 10-20mg pwo work if you want to reduce side effects like too much e2 peaks? I want to experience the strength benefits of the dbol. Golden era used small doses and im not talking about arnie popping it like candy. I think you can run dbol for 8-10 weeks or longer if you keep your dose between 10-20mg per day??

    Btw this is not my first cycle i did a rad-140 cycle before of 8 weeks and gained 10lb of mass was a nice cycle but i lost most of those gains 2 years later due to covid not training and eating
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    So basically this is your first real cycle. The cycle length is sound considering Test is the safest of all AAS, but the orals are unnecessary. Save the orals for next time. You are going to be very happy with the Test gains.
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    Well guys i'm really considering starting soon i have all of my stuff already anavar and test. Really want to kickstart with anavar just for the strength and muscle mind connection. I personally think i will get more gains from the test-e this way. Like i said i already did a rad-140 cycle before so technically this is my second cycle.

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    So kinda fedup with this whole covid situation in my country i still didn't manage to start my cycle due to restrictions in my country.

    Gyms were open for some time and closed 2 months. Now i'm hitting back the gym doing full body workouts to get back to where i was.

    Want to start a 14-16 week Test-e cycle with Anavar 40mg kickstart 6 weeks and finish off with either Dianabol or Anadrol for 4-6 weeks.

    I wanna get permanently stronger this time. Not in the mood for a test-e only cycle just to gain a lousy 7kg. I want to gain at least 15kg this time.
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    I'm 30yrs, 170lb, 5'7 tall. - 1RM - Bench 320lb - Squat 400lb - Deadlift 540lb. Currently training like a powerbuilder near 12% body fat. Weak points would probably be my triceps, forearms, and my biceps and could use some more mass.

    Actually have weak arms due to past surgery on my left hand from a fracture. My hand pretty much recovered but it feels traumatised and got weaker ever since.

    My grip loosens too fast when i deadlift compared to before i got the hand surgery. I have to switch to a mixed grip too early, and when i do my hand can't stay completely closed when i go heavy. More chalk helps but once i go really heavy past 440lb my grip starts to loosens up.

    The most annoying is when i do dumbbell curls or hammer curls my hands/forearms/grip can't seem to handle the endurance or the pump. I need more strength in my arms which is why i'm looking to add anavar or dianabol or anadrol ...

    Tried a bunch of stuff already to help my grip; deadlift holds, chinups, pullups and they do help but not near where i need to be. I can't dumbbell curl more than 35lb for instance and the pump i get from it is so ridiculous that i can't follow up my sets decently.

    Whatever could help me blast through this weak point would be perfect to go through my cycle. I won't look like a moron with chicken arms who messed up his cycle. Test only cycle won't really add that much strength, lets be honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mula View Post
    So kinda fedup with this whole covid situation in my country i still didn't manage to start my cycle due to restrictions in my country.

    Gyms were open for some time and closed 2 months. Now i'm hitting back the gym doing full body workouts to get back to where i was.

    Want to start a 14-16 week Test-e cycle with Anavar 40mg kickstart 6 weeks and finish off with either Dianabol or Anadrol for 4-6 weeks.

    I wanna get permanently stronger this time. Not in the mood for a test-e only cycle just to gain a lousy 7kg. I want to gain at least 15kg this time.
    As other have said, test only is the ideal 1st cycle (RAD140 doesn’t count). I ran test only at 500mg back in the day when I did my 1st but I would say 300mg is plenty for the 1st time around. You will gain heavily on that and then you have more weapons in your arsenal later on to up dosed to 500mg.

    You seem pretty set on using dbol and Anavar though so see below.

    Wk 1 - 4 - 30mg dbol per day
    Wk 1 - 12 - 500mg test per week
    Wk 10 - 15 - 50mg Anavar per day
    Pct starting at the end of week 15 hcg followed by nolvadex and clomid.

    I would personally add a low dose of aromasin throughout the cycle to keep estrogen under control.

    No need to run a 20 week cycle - the gains will dry up.

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