Bruce Lee vs Tito Ortiz

[nsa]

Bruce would knock him out with a high kick that he wouldn't even see...

[FRANK WHITE]

Bruce Lee would kill tito or any other MMA fighter. He was too fast for real-time vids. You can't see the punch in real-time, it has to be slowed down to see it coming. If you can't see a punch, how can you defend against it. He couldn't fight??? Are you kidding me? You have no idea how many street fights he had to fight just because he was bruce lee. People would start fights with him on the street and even break into his home to fight him in hopes of being the man that defeated bruce lee. MMa fiighters today don't have to deal with a tenth of the sh!t bruce went through. Bruce was a legend for a reason. Don't disrespect him with questions like this...

Thank You NSA. Bruce would kick Tito's no punch taking butt in under 30 seconds. Everyone is talking about size, did anyone watch the Brewster vs. Golata fight the other night. The first time Tito tried to come in on Bruce he would be hit so hard it would either be a KO or he'd be shook so bad he couldn't defend himself. For health reasons he better hope he got KO'd quick because if he didn't he might be seriously hurt from the shots he'd take after he could't defend himself. Tito got KO'd with one punch from Liddel. Anyone who knows about martial arts realizes that Bruce hit harder than Liddel, who is definitely no slouch. Ask Liddel if he thinks he punches harder than Bruce. You might be surprised at the answer.

[FRANK WHITE]

Where's Cycleon when you need him?

[AnabolicBoy1981]

Ask Liddel if he thinks he punches harder than Bruce. You might be surprised at the answer.

Well just come out with it. Did chuck ever say anything about his punching power compared to bruces? I shoulda asked him a year and a half ago when i met him i guess, but i couldnt fathom people actuallly arguing over whether bruce could stand up to UFC guys anyway. Since i don't hang out with chuck regularly i doubt i'lll get the chance to ask him.

And NSA, if bruce could just destroy anyone with a single high kick, how do you explain Mighty Joes accounts of his training partners? Why didn't bruce just "High kick" them all?

Just for the record, not that strenght really matters, but Bruce never squated over 100 llbs. Personlly i don't see a guy who uses 25's on the barbell for squats when he's going heavy, beating tito or any other top UFC guy.

But i will say this. He may be able to take Jens pulver or some other light weights. Maybe.

[FRANK WHITE]

Good idea Anabolic . Next time you have a chance ask Chuck what he thinks about Bruce Lee and whether or not he could beat Tito in a fight. Maybe coming from Chuck people will accept his opinion more.

[nsa]

Silly thread anyway, no real answer to the original question because it is impossible for the two to fight, only peoples opinions on the matter. Those who train for wrestling/takedown style fights think bruce would get ripped and those who train in martial arts think bruce would rip tito.

[Nikolaus777]

Silly thread anyway, no real answer to the original question because it is impossible for the two to fight, only peoples opinions on the matter. Those who train for wrestling/takedown style fights think bruce would get ripped and those who train in martial arts think bruce would rip tito.

I ask the question because Tito is a prime example of a high school wrestler who became a champion without any real martial arts expeirence.

Modern fighting has proven all martial arts except Ju-jitu and Muy Tai obsolete. K1 is dominated by Mui Tai and Boxing, no other disipline. Pride and UFC are dominated by wrestling, boxing, ju-jitsu, and muy tai, no other discipline.
You'll never see some Karate/Tiger fightin mother f**ker takin on Cro Cop , Fedor or Nogueria / Tito , Randy, and Chuck.

Brue Lee had 300 street fights? Thats like one fight a week for 8 years--Doubt it-no one could take that abuse not even roided up freaks of today.

How would you get someone intrested in your martial arts?? Maybe write a book and spice it up a little. Maybe make some punchin bags real weak and kick a hole in them ---whoa its magic!?! Has anyone every repeated these feats? Its really no different than a magician doing a trick to get you intrested. Ric Flair, HHH, and Mick Foley all write books about how bad ass they are, but I dont believe everything I read.

The people in these arguments are too emotional about Bruce Lee for some reason, why I dont know.
All Im asking is for some "real" proof that Bruce Lee was a "real" fighter, other than "he said he was in his book"

[nsa]

Cro Cop got knocked out hard by a high kick.

[Gmill13]

Tito would ground n pound Bruce Lee to dust. I cant stand Tito, Bruce Lee is cool, but come on now. Next thing we will be discussing Jet Li vs Wanderlei Silva. I think Gomi would knock Lee out. Bruce Lee is great, but he is mythical in a sense.

[nsa]

Bruce would knock him out with a high kick that he wouldn't even see...

[Nikolaus777]

When did Cro Cop get knocked out with a high kick?

[nsa]

You don't remember that? He was fvck3d up. I don't remember exactly when, I believe it was a Pride fight before he was knocked out by randleman.

[Joey2ness]

Thank You NSA. Bruce would kick Tito's no punch taking butt in under 30 seconds. Everyone is talking about size, did anyone watch the Brewster vs. Golata fight the other night

Yea it would have been amazingly odd if golata had won even though he's bigger because most people wouldn't believe that a white heavy weight boxer exist and if white heavy weight champion does exist dont tell me because your gonna make me laugh so hard and thats why the Brewster
(smaller guy) ''''THE BLACK GUY'''' won the WBO TITLE

In boxing i always thought of the black guy as the best and who cares how big the other guys are and if their not black their probably not gonna win and most boxers are black any ways.When you here the word boxing,you quickly think of Mike Tyson.Long time ago Mike Tyson went against a guy bigger then him and won and that guy was white.Blacks are the Best in boxing,genetics maybe.Im not racist or black and your crazy if you think blacks arent the best in boxing and other sports
and why im talking about this i dont know

and if there are any asians with bruce lee power they should join Boxing but there are no asian boxers lolool or ETC............
They can make a cool movie and the Champion will be an Asian dude and that shall get the hopes up for all bruce lee fans and Jet Li should star in that movie or Chow Yun Fat because chow dodges bullets in real life and no one can prove he doesn't and if they can they can also prove Bruce lee is only a actor and not the Ultimate Fighter we believe he is

Modern day Bruce Lee is Chow Yun Fat and what more proof do you need,the guy dodges bullets in real life just as good as keanu reeves in movies
is this good enough of a point for youa

Keanu ReevesV vs. Chow Yun Fat
They both dodge bullets and alone beaten up
over 100 well seasoned trained\armed enemies
Fat has the size advantage but Reeves has the speed

Whos gonna win,some say Reeves can dodge bullets and not only that he can also catch and throw them back at you with lightning speed.
Fat can dodge bullets but cannot catch bullets untill we see them fight we do not know what awesome powers he has in store for Reeves


Heres the link to Brewster Vs Golota
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SPORT/05...xing.brewster/

[FRANK WHITE]

Thats some funny shit bro! You should be a ****ing comedian. Its also gonna be funny as shit when you get banned for being a ****ing racist moron.

[Joey2ness]

Thats some funny shit bro! You should be a ****ing comedian. Its also gonna be funny as shit when you get banned for being a ****ing racist moron.

Im not racist but i did mention Blacks dominate in Boxing and i dont know why you think im a racist moron,maybe its the fact that i said most of the Boxing Champions are Black
(Black Heavy Weight)
Maybe i should have said White

[Nikolaus777]

You don't remember that? He was fvck3d up. I don't remember exactly when, I believe it was a Pride fight before he was knocked out by randleman.

Randleman punched Cro Cop
no kicks

[nsa]

Randleman punched Cro Cop
no kicks

LOL. Yeah i know, i watched the fight. I said he was KO'ed by a high kick before he fought Randleman.

[Nikolaus777]

LOL. Yeah i know, i watched the fight. I said he was KO'ed by a high kick before he fought Randleman.

when was this? hmm never seen cro cop take anything from a fighter but there pride

I dont think bruce lee's leg could reach that high
wasnt Bruce lee like 4 foot 3 and 74 pounds?


Loss Kevin Randleman KO (Punches) PRIDE-Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004

Loss Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Submission (Armbar) PRIDE-Final Conflict 2003 11/9/2003

Draw Wanderlei Silva Draw PRIDE 20-Armed and Ready 4/28/2002

Draw Nobuhiko Takada Draw PRIDE 17-Championship Chaos 11/3/2001


Anyway just someone post a "real" stat where bruce lee won a tournament or a organized fight , or any fight that some one saw that wasnt in the movies

[nsa]

I dont think bruce lee's leg could reach that high
wasnt Bruce lee like 4 foot 3 and 74 pounds?

Bruce lee was alot bigger than that, sh!t my 13 year old sister is bigger than that. And Bruce could have easily kicked that high, he could jump and kick.

To me it seems you have some bias against Bruce Lee for some reason. Just my observation.

[alphaman]

Im not racist but i did mention Blacks dominate in Boxing and i dont know why you think im a racist moron,maybe its the fact that i said most of the Boxing Champions are Black
(Black Heavy Weight)
Maybe i should have said White

Do you know who Vitali Klitchko is? The white Heavy Weight Champion of the World. The WBO is a weak, paper title that is hardly recognized. Stick to what you know.

As for Bruce or Tito. Tito would have absolutely no chance. Bruce Lee's foundation of Martial Arts was Wing Chun Gung Fu. Wing Chun is based on the principal of structural strength. All punches, kicks, blocks, stances etc. are based on the center-line of the body. This is why you see women and little old men that beat the $hit out of people 3x their size w/ this technique. Every inch of power and energy in your body is transferred to the end of your fist. This is why the one inch punch is so powerful. The one inch punch is not a Bruce Lee technique, it is a Wing Chun technique. Jeet Kun Do is Wing Chun with a mobile stance like a boxer, and high kicks(for movies). Wing Chun was made for the purpose to maim and kill, this is why it is not in conventional MA tournaments and such(the techniques are not allowed). The blow from a good Wing Chun man will injure you internally. I know a Wing Chun Sifu who was fighting in China when Bruce Lee was in the movies and he threw 75 more punches/ minute than Bruce Lee did. He had the same teacher as Lee, Grand Master Yip Man. The last true Grandmaster of Wing Chun. He passed on the full system to very few people, the person I am speaking of being one of them(and Lee not being one of them). Plus Bruce Lee, or any other good Wing Chun man would be far, far too fast for Ortiz to deal with.

Before you ask why there have been no "real" Wing Chun men in UFC, or whatever, it's because that's not the point of the art and would only degrade it. This is why Lee was never taught the whole system, and was persecuted by the others as you saw in the movie "Dragon".

[FRANK WHITE]

Do you know who Vitali Klitchko is? The white Heavy Weight Champion of the World. The WBO is a weak, paper title that is hardly recognized. Stick to what you know.

As for Bruce or Tito. Tito would have absolutely no chance. Bruce Lee's foundation of Martial Arts was Wing Chun Gung Fu. Wing Chun is based on the principal of structural strength. All punches, kicks, blocks, stances etc. are based on the center-line of the body. This is why you see women and little old men that beat the $hit out of people 3x their size w/ this technique. Every inch of power and energy in your body is transferred to the end of your fist. This is why the one inch punch is so powerful. The one inch punch is not a Bruce Lee technique, it is a Wing Chun technique. Jeet Kun Do is Wing Chun with a mobile stance like a boxer, and high kicks(for movies). Wing Chun was made for the purpose to maim and kill, this is why it is not in conventional MA tournaments and such(the techniques are not allowed). The blow from a good Wing Chun man will injure you internally. I know a Wing Chun Sifu who was fighting in China when Bruce Lee was in the movies and he threw 75 more punches/ minute than Bruce Lee did. He had the same teacher as Lee, Grand Master Yip Man. The last true Grandmaster of Wing Chun. He passed on the full system to very few people, the person I am speaking of being one of them(and Lee not being one of them). Plus Bruce Lee, or any other good Wing Chun man would be far, far too fast for Ortiz to deal with.

Before you ask why there have been no "real" Wing Chun men in UFC, or whatever, it's because that's not the point of the art and would only degrade it. This is why Lee was never taught the whole system, and was persecuted by the others as you saw in the movie "Dragon".

Great Post Alphaman! Wing Chun Gung Fu is a very misunderstood, thus underestimated martial art by many. You summed up a lot of very good points.

[Paullusion]

I second that!

[Nikolaus777]

that sounds like a bunch of BS
Bruce is allowed to pimp it out in the movies but a fighter couldnt use the techniques in a real structured fight because it would degrade it?

Hollywood is the most degrading PIMP in the world

If he was the "master" then why couldnt they teach it all to him?

Where are the videos of the "one inch punch" and "death touch" that have eluded us for hundreds of years?

Where does this info come from?

[nsa]

Where are the videos of the "one in punch" and "death touch" that have eluded us for hundreds of years?

Are you referring to the one inch punch?

[Joey2ness]

Are you referring to the one inch punch?

its powerful and if you put a peice of paper in front of solid wall a guy could do the one inch punch and break the wood and leave the paper in perfect and not ripped condition.chi

but it takes time full concentration of mind and spirit
you punch the person from close up then push him.Its a one fist punch and push
something like that and its REAL but the target cant be moving

you can try it out,learn the one inch punch from the winchun sites below
http://www.wingchun.org/viewpt/one/4/vp1-4n.html
http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/wen...inchpunch.html

[Nikolaus777]

Yep , I dont care about that stuff

Just looking for some facts to even out the scores

[alphaman]

that sounds like a bunch of BS
Bruce is allowed to pimp it out in the movies but a fighter couldnt use the techniques in a real structured fight because it would degrade it?

Hollywood is the most degrading PIMP in the world

If he was the "master" then why couldnt they teach it all to him?

Where are the videos of the "one inch punch" and "death touch" that have eluded us for hundreds of years?

Where does this info come from?

You need to read my post over again very slowly, because you obviously didn't comprehend what I said.

[nsa]

Yep , I dont care about that stuff

Just looking for some facts to even out the scores

Your lookin for stuff to argue with, because you have nothing to go against the people who know that Bruce Lee would win. It's obvious your not trying to see this from a neutral view.

[Nikolaus777]

im trying to settle and argument between friends, thats all

But all the Bruce Lee people keep coming up with fantasy not reality

Just looking for facts

[alphaman]

im trying to settle and argument between friends, thats all

But all the Bruce Lee people keep coming up with fantasy not reality

Just looking for facts

What facts have you presented??? My post was all facts. As a matter of fact, it's common knowledge if you would take the time to do some research! But I just gave it to you first hand, just as I got them from someone who knew Bruce Lee, and Grand Master Yip Man personally.

Ortiz is a good wrestler, yes, but that's it. I saw a fight between Liddel and him the other night, and he got his asss beat with the quickness. If Liddel can knock him out that easily, Lee would knock his fukking head off in no time.

Based on that fight alone here's three FACTS for you:

1. Ortiz's only offense is wrestling. He would never be able to get a hold of Lee.(yeah, he may be able to knock a reg. guy out, but he would have no striking ability against Lee.) THAT IS A FACT.

2. Ortiz's only defense is wrestling.(yeah, he may be able to defend strikes from a reg. guy, but he can't defend himself against Liddel's 1st attempt to "flurry", so we know that he would have no chance of blocking Lee's lightning fast kicks/punches that a reel to reel camera couldn't even catch) THAT IS A FACT.

3. Since Ortiz's only form of offense and defence would be rendered completely useless, Bruce Lee would annihilate Tito Ortiz. Not only that, he would do it in record time. Wing Chun is one of, if not the fastest martial art because another principal of Wing Chun is defensive offense. One strike or attempt from Ortiz, and BLAMO, he would be out! THAT IS A FACT.


The only argument that could be posed favoring Ortiz over Bruce Lee would be size. I'm not saying size doesn't matter, because it does. But the foundation of Lee's martial arts is Wing Chun, which was designed to utilize every last bit of energy from one's body. It was invented by a woman, for the purpose of being an equalizer in this respect(size). This is what allowed Lee to perform all the incredible things cited by others earlier in this thread. My point is that Ortiz would not be able to use his full power potential, as Bruce Lee would. Hence, size would not be a factor in this particular fight. I could write a book about it.

[TestTubeBaby]

thank god some1 cleared this shit up! all u bruce haters! ive never heard such in my life! jet li, jackie chan, chow yun fat, sonny chiba, those guys are actors and stunt men! bruce was the real deal...i dunno how ur perceptions/views of this man got so skewed..but hopefully some of these posts will help yall out..bruce was/is the greatest fighter ever..

[FRANK WHITE]

What facts have you presented??? My post was all facts. As a matter of fact, it's common knowledge if you would take the time to do some research! But I just gave it to you first hand, just as I got them from someone who knew Bruce Lee, and Grand Master Yip Man personally.

Ortiz is a good wrestler, yes, but that's it. I saw a fight between Liddel and him the other night, and he got his asss beat with the quickness. If Liddel can knock him out that easily, Lee would knock his fukking head off in no time.

Based on that fight alone here's three FACTS for you:

1. Ortiz's only offense is wrestling. He would never be able to get a hold of Lee.(yeah, he may be able to knock a reg. guy out, but he would have no striking ability against Lee.) THAT IS A FACT.

2. Ortiz's only defense is wrestling.(yeah, he may be able to defend strikes from a reg. guy, but he can't defend himself against Liddel's 1st attempt to "flurry", so we know that he would have no chance of blocking Lee's lightning fast kicks/punches that a reel to reel camera couldn't even catch) THAT IS A FACT.

3. Since Ortiz's only form of offense and defence would be rendered completely useless, Bruce Lee would annihilate Tito Ortiz. Not only that, he would do it in record time. Wing Chun is one of, if not the fastest martial art because another principal of Wing Chun is defensive offense. One strike or attempt from Ortiz, and BLAMO, he would be out! THAT IS A FACT.


The only argument that could be posed favoring Ortiz over Bruce Lee would be size. I'm not saying size doesn't matter, because it does. But the foundation of Lee's martial arts is Wing Chun, which was designed to utilize every last bit of energy from one's body. It was invented by a woman, for the purpose of being an equalizer in this respect(size). This is what allowed Lee to perform all the incredible things cited by others earlier in this thread. My point is that Ortiz would not be able to use his full power potential, as Bruce Lee would. Hence, size would not be a factor in this particular fight. I could write a book about it.

Alpha, I was gonna write something but couldn't say it better than you just did. Another outstanding post. Tube, I agree. Bruce was one of the best martial artists ever, if not the best.

[Paullusion]

glad we got this settled

[FRANK WHITE]

Why was Alphaman banned? Drop me a pm please.

[craneboy]

at his time bruce was the baddest, there were no mma fighters then. if he was alive now and in his prime he would be the baddest mma fighter and would be the champ in his weight class until he got bored of it and retired....period. he was the godfather of mma!

[Joey2ness]

Why was Alphaman banned? Drop me a pm please.

Alphaman had a little boy picture in his picture icon.he was underage to be in this forum so i or my or mr mod took him off but the one inch punch was powerful but which race was joked to have a one inch woozle wozzle.just joking it may be a fact but then its only a myth.We need mythbusters here to prove a certain race that masters one inch punches dont have one inch woozle wozzles
Till then lets call in the Myhtbusters doodoodoo and we need pictures

[Joey2ness]

thhis just in new info that certain race is not humans must be an animal

[Joey2ness]

are there any UFC fighter that know Wing Chun/Kung Fu because then we can relate that fighter to bruce lee because wing chun is such a good martial as thats what people say

and dont tell me only asians know wing chun/kung fu and that asians arent good fighters thats why theres not many asians in the UFC

God would be the best fighter in the UFC and that answer is biased because some people dont think he exist am i right

[TestTubeBaby]

you're a D!CK..born in 86...nm

[immy]

dude bruce lee by far. bruce is so fast, bro he would snap tito f&ckin neck before he evening knew what hit him

Most people that talk about brue lee use words like "legend" , "disrespect", and "lighting fast"---which arent very concrete

Im just looking for some kinda real/unbiased argument other than the rather popular- "emotional" conection to the question