Boxer vs MMA Expert. Who wins? (video)

[nyckid]

Watch former boxer Jermemy Willams teach these MMA punks how we kick ass.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20034

[BITTAPART2]

dude, sorry but Im a boxer myself and i wouldnt go say I can handle a "mixed martial artist" thats on the same level at his game that i am at mine. He would win 90% of the time. I idnt even watch the video but there is no way the guys are at the same level in their own game if the boxer wins.

[Gtanker]

First of all that was not an ass beating at all. And that was a demonstration of strength over skill. You take equally skilled in both professions and equal strength and a boxer would lose.

[Gtanker]

First of all that was not an ass beating at all. And that was a demonstration of strength over skill. You take equally skilled in both professions and equal strength and a boxer would lose.

[godkilla]

congrats, you found the one vid thats show a boxer actually winning in mma

[zimmy]

and hate to tell you..but that "mma fighter" sucked balls. His guard was sh*t...he had an armbar and an omoplata but he was to lame to finish em. He could even of had a triangle with a little effort...not to mention that his stand up was AWEFUL, those leg kicks were so off balanced that if the boxer was worth a Sh*t he would have came in for a knock out since the other guy had his hands down and balance off with every "kick"

[ftony]

Boxers that train mma obviously have an advantage at striking,Depending on how quickly they learn some ground work will determine how successful they will be in mma.Throw a boxer in the cage just striking ,he most likely will lose.I say most likely because hey punchers always have a chance, though it is slim.I would love to see tyson in his prime fight alexander houston...that would be a brawl...

[QuieTSToRM33]

Jeremy Williams is now an mma fighter.

[taiboxa]

i specialized in muaythai.. though elbows and knees are great.. going to the ground is inevitable.. and sucks.
which is why my traininer made me take both dance clases (i still dont really understand WHY) and bjj..

[ftony]

Jeremy Williams is dead...god rest his soul.

[BgMc31]

Jeremy Williams is dead...god rest his soul.

Wrong Jeremy Williams, dude.

[BgMc31]

This is a worthless argument. It's hard to have an argument about MMA vs. Boxing when the majority of the guys on here are MMA fans and not boxing fans. Just check the comments when Floyd Mayweather dissed MMA.

[ftony]

Nevermind.Wrong dude

[ftony]

This is a worthless argument. It's hard to have an argument about MMA vs. Boxing when the majority of the guys on here are MMA fans and not boxing fans. Just check the comments when Floyd Mayweather dissed MMA.

Who doesn't Floyd diss?It doesn't mean he can fight in mma.Actually he could. I stand corrected.If he trained mma long enough he definitely could do it.Throw him in there now without ground skills,he gets taken down and submitted I bet the house on it...

[Mogamedogz]

It takes MUCH more talent and natural skill to be a world championship boxer, than it does a MMA fighter. Period.

[ftony]

It takes MUCH more talent and natural skill to be a world championship boxer, than it does a MMA fighter. Period.

Your right it does take more skill and talent to be a champion boxer, when your using only half of the human body's resources and technical ability it makes sense to say what you did. However when one uses all the human body's resources. striking, kicking ,knees, elbows, so many submissions, slams, takedowns etc. etc Its like comparing apples to oranges, no comparison in terms of combat superiority and thats what fighting is all about. Period

[Mogamedogz]

Your right it does take more skill and talent to be a champion boxer, when your using only half of the human body's resources and technical ability it makes sense to say what you did. However when one uses all the human body's resources. striking, kicking ,knees, elbows, so many submissions, slams, takedowns etc. etc Its like comparing apples to oranges, no comparison in terms of combat superiority and thats what fighting is all about. Period

It is like comparing apples and Oranges, and that's why this debate is so pointless.

A world class MMA, will defeat a world class boxer in a MMA contest, and a world class boxer will whip a MMA in a boxing contest.

My point is just that it is MUCH more difficult to become a world champion boxer, than it is a MMA.

For instance...

Let’s say your pit weight is around 150lbs.

If someone offered you a chance to win $1M if you could defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr. in a Boxing match, or BJ Penn in a MMA fight.

Which guy would you choose to fight for the chance to win the $$?

[scriptfactory]

It is like comparing apples and Oranges, and that's why this debate is so pointless.

A world class MMA, will defeat a world class boxer in a MMA contest, and a world class boxer will whip a MMA in a boxing contest.

My point is just that it is MUCH more difficult to become a world champion boxer, than it is a MMA.

For instance...

Let’s say your pit weight is around 150lbs.

If someone offered you a chance to win $1M if you could defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr. in a Boxing match, or BJ Penn in a MMA fight.

Which guy would you choose to fight for the chance to win the $$?

Well, it depends on how fat BJ Penn was... lol

[ftony]

Well its hard for me to relate.I was 150 at 14 years old.lol ,but if I was to use your analogy with say Randy Couture or Wladimir Klitschko .I would fight Wladimir Klitschko without hesitation...And Even if I lost to Wladimir Klitschko , I know I would have all my limbs attached and be able to walk after the fight.I couldn't say that if I was to fight randy...So I agree with you in terms of a boxer boxing an mma fighter,And the mma fighter is trying to outbox the boxer isn't going to happen..In boxing fighters who are brawlers cannot out class a boxer,so why would it be a surprise? thats why mma guys train strikes with boxers...

[bRKBEATz]

There is more luck involved in MMA, but that doesn't mean there is less skill.

There are just more variables which means the better fighter doesn't always win.

[BITTAPART2]

Well its hard for me to relate.I was 150 at 14 years old.lol ,but if I was to use your analogy with say Randy Couture or Wladimir Klitschko .I would fight Wladimir Klitschko without hesitation...And Even if I lost to Wladimir Klitschko , I know I would have all my limbs attached and be able to walk after the fight.I couldn't say that if I was to fight randy...So I agree with you in terms of a boxer boxing an mma fighter,And the mma fighter is trying to outbox the boxer isn't going to happen..In boxing fighters who are brawlers cannot out class a boxer,so why would it be a surprise? thats why mma guys train strikes with boxers...

dude those are way different weight classes there...he said on equal weight playing field you would stand a better chance against an MMA champ then a IBf/WBA champ any day. He is precise with his statement that to be a top level boxer like mayweather is harder than being a UFC champ. Thats why there has never been a dominant MMA fighter that has compleatly dominated everybody in MMA, even Fedor has lost b4 but mayweather has totaly out boxed everyone hes fought.

[ftony]

dude those are way different weight classes there...he said on equal weight playing field you would stand a better chance against an MMA champ then a IBf/WBA champ any day. He is precise with his statement that to be a top level boxer like mayweather is harder than being a UFC champ. Thats why there has never been a dominant MMA fighter that has compleatly dominated everybody in MMA, even Fedor has lost b4 but mayweather has totaly out boxed everyone hes fought.

Dude,I am just relating to the weight class that I would be in.Heavy weight division,Randy is a heavy weight champ and last I knew Wladimir Klitschko was heavy weight champ i dont follow it much anymore,so that's why I chose to compare to them not Floyd and penn.Also as I stated above > Your right it does take more skill and talent to be a champion boxer..And in closing ,There is no contest between boxing and MMa in terms of combat .Is an mma fighter a boxer? Partially,can he beat a boxer boxing ,IMO no. So who would win a fight "pitting techniques"? a one dimensional fist striking boxer? Or a well rounded multi versed mma fighter...No Brainier,I have a stupid question 4 u as well.Can Derek jeter replace James farrior at inside linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers...LOL,please dont answer that last question im good ,really

[ectomorph28]

It is like comparing apples and Oranges, and that's why this debate is so pointless.

A world class MMA, will defeat a world class boxer in a MMA contest, and a world class boxer will whip a MMA in a boxing contest.

My point is just that it is MUCH more difficult to become a world champion boxer, than it is a MMA.

For instance...

Let’s say your pit weight is around 150lbs.

If someone offered you a chance to win $1M if you could defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr. in a Boxing match, or BJ Penn in a MMA fight.

Which guy would you choose to fight for the chance to win the $$?

Id have to agree with this as well. Although, I wouldnt want to fight either fighters in their respective sport. Penn would break my arm and Mayweather would give me long-term brain damage.

[ectomorph28]

dude those are way different weight classes there...he said on equal weight playing field you would stand a better chance against an MMA champ then a IBf/WBA champ any day. He is precise with his statement that to be a top level boxer like mayweather is harder than being a UFC champ. Thats why there has never been a dominant MMA fighter that has compleatly dominated everybody in MMA, even Fedor has lost b4 but mayweather has totaly out boxed everyone hes fought.

Actually, Fedor hasnt lost in MMA. His only loss came on cuts I believe. Granted hes had far less fights than Mayweather in his career, if you include Mayweathers extensive amateur and professional background.

[ectomorph28]

Dude,I am just relating to the weight class that I would be in.Heavy weight division,Randy is a heavy weight champ and last I knew Wladimir Klitschko was heavy weight champ i dont follow it much anymore,so that's why I chose to compare to them not Floyd and penn.Also as I stated above > Your right it does take more skill and talent to be a champion boxer..And in closing ,There is no contest between boxing and MMa in terms of combat .Is an mma fighter a boxer? Partially,can he beat a boxer boxing ,IMO no. So who would win a fight "pitting techniques"? a one dimensional fist striking boxer? Or a well rounded multi versed mma fighter...No Brainier,I have a stupid question 4 u as well.Can Derek jeter replace James farrior at inside linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers...LOL,please dont answer that last question im good ,really

Klitschko or Couture? Again, its pick your poison.

If I fought Randy, he'd take me down to the ground and sumbit me or ground and pound ending the fight. With Klitscko, he would absolutely brutalize me standing up. And I dont think people realize how hard boxers hit. For example, Ricky Hatton at 140lbs hits with 900lbs of force. George Foreman in his prime hit with 1700lbs of force. That force alone is enough to knock a bull off its feet. I wouldnt be in good shape at all regardless of who I fought. lol.

[Mogamedogz]

There is more luck involved in MMA, but that doesn't mean there is less skill.

There are just more variables which means the better fighter doesn't always win.

And this is why I will ALWAYS prefer watching a great boxing match.

Dont get me wrong. I enjoy MMA (i've been watching UFC since before it was cool to watch UFC)... But Championship boxing will always be #1 in my house.

I like the fact that there is a CLEAR #1, and that other "up and coming" fighters have to strive to overtake them.

[ectomorph28]

And this is why I will ALWAYS prefer watching a great boxing match.

Dont get me wrong. I enjoy MMA (i've been watching UFC since before it was cool to watch UFC)... But Championship boxing will always be #1 in my house.

I like the fact that there is a CLEAR #1, and that other "up and coming" fighters have to strive to overtake them.

I agree. I just find myself to be absolutely jacked for a big prize fight. Im pumped about Pavlik/Taylor, Barrera/Pacquiao, Kessler/Calzaghe, Mosley/Cotto, Hatton/Mayweather. In fact im going to the Mosley/Cotto fight at MSG in November. It should be an electric fight.

I really enjoy MMA as well though.

[Mogamedogz]

Well its hard for me to relate.I was 150 at 14 years old.lol ,but if I was to use your analogy with say Randy Couture or Wladimir Klitschko .I would fight Wladimir Klitschko without hesitation...And Even if I lost to Wladimir Klitschko , I know I would have all my limbs attached and be able to walk after the fight.I couldn't say that if I was to fight randy...So I agree with you in terms of a boxer boxing an mma fighter,And the mma fighter is trying to outbox the boxer isn't going to happen..In boxing fighters who are brawlers cannot out class a boxer,so why would it be a surprise? thats why mma guys train strikes with boxers...

So you think you would have a better chance at beating Klitschko in a Boxing ring, than you would beating Couture in the octogon?

If you are worried about who would do more damage to you, than why bother taking either fight?

My thinking would be, "which fighter do I have a better chance of beating"? I woud fight the MMA EVERY SINGLE TIME, because it is MUCH easier to get lucky in MMA.

[ectomorph28]

So you think you would have a better chance at beating Klitschko in a Boxing ring, than you would beating Couture in the octogon?

If you are worried about who would do more damage to you, than why bother taking either fight?

My thinking would be, "which fighter do I have a better chance of beating"? I woud fight the MMA EVERY SINGLE TIME, because it is MUCH easier to get lucky in MMA.

True even though its like 99% guaranteed that id lose the fight, you also have to remember that fights are stopped much sooner in MMA than boxing. In boxing, id probably take an inhumane amount of punishment from the best punchers in the world.

[rockinred]

lol... this thread is pretty crazy, but I really didn't see a whole lot of boxing skills displayed in the victory of this fight...

big question when I was younger because these were the two main fighting sports.
World Class Boxer vs. World Class Wrestler????

Boxer and wrestler = mma hybrid version

Conclusion mma has pretty much become a new version of wrestling... that is why a boxer or kickboxer does not win in a mma match.

further conclusion - wrestling is the best fighting sport to train in as a young adult if you want to kick some butt.

my ultimate conclusion - boxing is the best of all fighting sports due to the fact that punching is the most entertaining of all... not necessarily the most skilled or hardest training, but the most entertaining. Boxing gets knocked because it is only one dynamic of a fight, but it is the best dynamic of fighting hands down. In order for MMA to stay alive it needs to keep the stand up game going with some heavy hitters.

[ectomorph28]

lol... this thread is pretty crazy, but I really didn't see a whole lot of boxing skills displayed in the victory of this fight...

big question when I was younger because these were the two main fighting sports.
World Class Boxer vs. World Class Wrestler????

Boxer and wrestler = mma hybrid version

Conclusion mma has pretty much become a new version of wrestling... that is why a boxer or kickboxer does not win in a mma match.

further conclusion - wrestling is the best fighting sport to train in as a young adult if you want to kick some butt.

my ultimate conclusion - boxing is the best of all fighting sports due to the fact that punching is the most entertaining of all... not necessarily the most skilled or hardest training, but the most entertaining. Boxing gets knocked because it is only one dynamic of a fight, but it is the best dynamic of fighting hands down. In order for MMA to stay alive it needs to keep the stand up game going with some heavy hitters.

Well, there really isnt a better fighting style. The fact is all fighting styles work in certain situations. For example, The Gracies have stated that ground fighting in a "REAL FIGHT" can be impractical based on the fact that you can have the opponents compadres stomp on you, or maybe the ground surface is not suitable for fighting ie) rock, cement etc. In this case, wrestling, jiu jitsu are eliminated and its down to their ability to strike with the other opponent.

The UFC is tailor made for ground fighting. Doesnt mean ground fighting is superior in a REAL FIGHT.

[rockinred]

ecto, i agree for the most part and you opened up my perspective on that... but, i still believe that a fight can end up on the ground in favor of a wrestler unless they are in water.... I do agree that a grappler is designed for the mat because like you said... if it were gravel, you wouldn't want to be on your back in the guard... I have never seen the gravel or concrete, etc.. prevent a fight from going to the ground in one way or another.

[ftony]

So you think you would have a better chance at beating Klitschko in a Boxing ring, than you would beating Couture in the octogon?

If you are worried about who would do more damage to you, than why bother taking either fight?

My thinking would be, "which fighter do I have a better chance of beating"? I woud fight the MMA EVERY SINGLE TIME, because it is MUCH easier to get lucky in MMA.

I don't know,I think I would rather take a knock out punch than get one of my ligaments torn from the bone,But thats just me,that would hinder training greatly. I train bjj with a friend of mine who trained under the gracies. I'm always so stiff from weight training its rough on my joints(I'm getting old)and my knees ugh... As for being worried LOL,This is hypothetical so I'm not really worried bout much. If it was for real the only thing I would be worried about is blowing a chance at a million dollars...how About this scenario? if I can ask you one now?If You were being attack by an assailant with a knife.Who would you rather be? Mike Tyson ?or bas rutten? come on, you can answer that, I answered your hypothetical situations..

[rockinred]

I don't know,I think I would rather take a knock out punch than get one of my ligaments torn from the bone,But thats just me,that would hinder training greatly. I train bjj with a friend of mine who trained under the gracies. I'm always so stiff from weight training its rough on my joints(I'm getting old)and my knees ugh... As for being worried LOL,This is hypothetical so I'm not really worried bout much. If it was for real the only thing I would be worried about is blowing a chance at a million dollars...how About this scenario? if I can ask you one now?If You were being attack by an assailant with a knife.Who would you rather be? Mike Tyson ?or bas rutten? come on, you can answer that, I answered your hypothetical situations..

I know you didn't ask me, but an assilant with a knife and no skills? Iron Mike all the way... these hypo's are rather silly though...

[soo2bhuge]

I personally don't understand the argument here, because it's a video of a former boxer who obviously learned MMA. The guy escaped several submission attempts, took down his opponent and did some good ground and pound. If you ask me, he's no longer a "boxer" but a true "MMA" fighter. once you know those things and use them in a fight, it's no longer a boxing match but an MMA match.
That's like Georges St. Pierre or another MMA fighter fighting in a boxing match and winning and saying "look at this MMA guy beating all the boxers." That match was considered boxing so what would MMA have to do with it.
MMA and Boxing are 2 completely different sports! Period.

[ftony]

I know you didn't ask me, but an assilant with a knife and no skills? Iron Mike all the way... these hypo's are rather silly though...

I'm guessing you don't know much about bas rutten.. ya,these hypos are silly.But what the hell he asked me I accommodated..

[ectomorph28]

I personally don't understand the argument here, because it's a video of a former boxer who obviously learned MMA. The guy escaped several submission attempts, took down his opponent and did some good ground and pound. If you ask me, he's no longer a "boxer" but a true "MMA" fighter. once you know those things and use them in a fight, it's no longer a boxing match but an MMA match.
That's like Georges St. Pierre or another MMA fighter fighting in a boxing match and winning and saying "look at this MMA guy beating all the boxers." That match was considered boxing so what would MMA have to do with it.
MMA and Boxing are 2 completely different sports! Period.

pretty much sums it up.

[CJC1981]

This debate never gets old. I'll be glad in 10 years when we don't have to argue about this anymore. When all 12 remaining boxing fans have moved on to the next life. lol.

[Logan13]

It takes MUCH more talent and natural skill to be a world championship boxer, than it does a MMA fighter. Period.

step away from the pot.............slowly.

[Logan13]

Seriously, the only guys that talk this way are guys who have never been in a street fight, or guys who simply can not fight. Put a boxer in front of me, his ass is on the ground within 20 seconds. Three gravel fights were with boxers, 2 were gold gloves. They were all dancing around, but they shit themselves when they got to the ground and I had taken away their offense. Some people just don't understand, until you grab ahold of them and they get all wide-eyed.........Not trying to be an ass to the boxing fans in here, just being real and speaking from experience.