Fedor VS Roger

[elpropiotorvic]

i dont like how its becoming, who can name more previous fights or fighter and in what division and who can google more fightrecords.

Fedor is good, there are good ppl fighting in the ufc as well as strikeforce as well as m1 as welll as in the market of my hometown, there are many good fighters in the world, to whoever hates fedor for not going in to the ufc ask him, if he doesnt answer he doesnt have to, in the end he is not htere to make a name, he already did, he is there to make money, ufc holds great fighters, and other organizations too.

STOP bashing ufc or other organizations, or individuals for that matter just because is not ur favorite, good ppl fight in all of them, its easy to be rude over the internet and what not, but the world is already fulll of ppl fighting why dont we commentate and opinionate without the need to bash others ppl opinions, yes some might be uneducated yes some wrong but so what this is an online forum, if u cant stand that another person that is not closely related to you thinks different u need to get a shrink and a life..


PEACE PPL PEACE

LIVESTRON ALL OF US

[roid_rage]

Also guys, regarding to Fedor not looking dominat, you have to remember that Fedor is usually the smaller guy, being outweight sometimes for 50 pounds (like yesterday), just imagine your self watching a street fight where theres a big guy and a small guy, do you see the small guy stream rolling the big guy??? Basically, if the small guy wins, is because he fights smart, Fedor has being looking "human" for ever... he got in deep sh** against randleman, fujita, hunt, CC, Nog, and he always had found the way to beat them all, is not like Fedor ran through every single opponent ala Zulu and Tim... But he always finds the way to win and most importantly, he leaves no doubt of the result. You guys will defently not see Fedor going Brock on his oponents, if thats what you expect to see, but that doesnt mean that he didnt have the control of the fight or that he was in danger at any time.

[xnotoriousx]

Everyone needs to bow to fedor and respect him as the baddest man on the planet... AGAIN.... PLANET!!!

[xnotoriousx]

After yesterday, I see rogers beating everyone of that list but Lesnar.

I wouldn't be surprised if rogers knocked brock lesner out, I think people are really cutting that dude short as hell...

[J-Dogg]

I don't care what anyone says, Fedor is not fighting the same caliber fighters that other champs are.

GSP has continued to fight and beat the number 2 ranked fighters in his class over the past 2 years.

Anderson has done the same. And both have done it in dominate fasion.

Fedor does not, anyone he fights gets a rank as a gift. at least 5 of the top 10 HW's fight in the UFC and Fedor does not have the option to fight those guys.

That being said, in RECENT times GSP and AS are both better champions than Fedor and fight tuffer competion.

I'd love to see him fight some better guys, but I'm not going to bow down and call him the badest man on the planet today because he beat bret rodgers in 2009 and beat CC/Nog in 2003/2004.

[roid_rage]

I don't care what anyone says, Fedor is not fighting the same caliber fighters that other champs are.

GSP has continued to fight and beat the number 2 ranked fighters in his class over the past 2 years.

Anderson has done the same. And both have done it in dominate fasion.

Fedor does not, anyone he fights gets a rank as a gift. at least 5 of the top 10 HW's fight in the UFC and Fedor does not have the option to fight those guys.

That being said, in RECENT times GSP and AS are both better champions than Fedor and fight tuffer competion.

I'd love to see him fight some better guys, but I'm not going to bow down and call him the badest man on the planet today because he beat bret rodgers in 2009 and beat CC/Nog in 2003/2004.

hmmm... GSP no doubt. He is the one fighting the toughest competition.

Anderson Silva... Irvin, Cote, Leites????? yeah.. the best compettion...

[xnotoriousx]

I can't believe after what you've seen this man accomplish you can't give him his crown...

You talk like brett rogers was just some nobody...


The UFC is not MMA, just because they have AS and GSP which have both been BEAT might I add doesn't mean they are the only league that has talent. Brett rogers could easily take the UFC heavy weight belt imo

GSP is the man, the guy is good but he isn't on fedors level in any aspect of the game lb for lb

[elpropiotorvic]

wrestling he is (gsp)

[roid_rage]

wrestling he is (gsp)

well, GSP can outwrestle pretty much anyone of his own size, I would love to see how he wrestles against guys 50 pounds heavier than him...

[goose]

I can't believe after what you've seen this man accomplish you can't give him his crown...

You talk like brett rogers was just some nobody...


The UFC is not MMA, just because they have AS and GSP which have both been BEAT might I add doesn't mean they are the only league that has talent. Brett rogers could easily take the UFC heavy weight belt imo

GSP is the man, the guy is good but he isn't on fedors level in any aspect of the game lb for lb

Thats it,I have seen all of rogers fights and this guy is an amazing fighter,he could beat brock,but the UFC have the media spin.....I want to know what great fighters brock has beaten.

[J-Dogg]

Thats it,I have seen all of rogers fights and this guy is an amazing fighter,he could beat brock,but the UFC have the media spin.....I want to know what great fighters brock has beaten.

wow, that's just amazing bro. If you've seen all rogers fights you know he's a newer and he's beat 9 cans and AA so far.

Brock has five fights with victories over Randy, and Mir. honestly, when was the last time somone started MMA and beat 2 top 10 fighters in their first 5 fights? He was fed 2 cans.

Remember that one guy, Huston Alexander? He was pretty much the shit too, knocking ppl out in the first round all the time. Until he had to fight top level fighters. He even tore apart Jardin who fairly respected in the LHW class.

IMO: Rogers is no different.

But Brock is beating 2 top 10 HWs in his first 5 fights, that's not required marketing to prove he's a top HW.

He also beat the undertaker, john cena and the Rock.

[Deltasaurus]

Fedors fights give him trouble.

and

Randleman almost won.

Hunt almost won.

Cro Cop did one hell of a fight.

Fujita Rocked him bad.

Coleman had him on his back and pounded on him.

Rogers did the same.

Arlovski had Fedor against the ropes and was winning the round.

All these guys and several more in between all ended up with the same result. A loss on their records. So yes Brock may give Fedor trubble. But trubble is not enough.

[elpropiotorvic]

i liked how u put it lol

[Deltasaurus]

Cmon the last time a russian hit a brother that hard Ivan Drago killed Apollo Creed!!!

lol

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

He also beat the undertaker, john cena and the Rock.

lol...

[Brown Ninja]

Cmon the last time a russian hit a brother that hard Ivan Drago killed Apollo Creed!!!

lol

^^^^Beautiful

[Deltasaurus]

another thing is all these fighters say he is number one in the world and p4p the best

GSP
BJ Penn
Randy
Vera
Bas Rutten
Sylvia
Randlemen
Shogun
Jake Shields
AA
Rampage-Fedor is the reason i dont fight at HW
FABER
...etc....

[roid_rage]

wow, that's just amazing bro. If you've seen all rogers fights you know he's a newer and he's beat 9 cans and AA so far.

Brock has five fights with victories over Randy, and Mir. honestly, when was the last time somone started MMA and beat 2 top 10 fighters in their first 5 fights? He was fed 2 cans.

Remember that one guy, Huston Alexander? He was pretty much the shit too, knocking ppl out in the first round all the time. Until he had to fight top level fighters. He even tore apart Jardin who fairly respected in the LHW class.

IMO: Rogers is no different.

But Brock is beating 2 top 10 HWs in his first 5 fights, that's not required marketing to prove he's a top HW.

He also beat the undertaker, john cena and the Rock.

Mark Hunt beat Wandy and CC.. at their PRIMES. Couture was only top because he was the UFC champ, and who did he get the title from? ohhhh TIM SYLVIA (who you constantly bash) So, Couture beating Sylvia makes him a hell of a fighter, but Fedor beating Sylvia is putting a can on his record?

And dont even start con GG, he has beaten no one but CC.

[nilrac]

I think Brock has a suspect chin, he has looked a little hurt in a couple of his fights and I don't think he has came up against anybody with the same kind of striking power as Fedor. However, Brock's sheer size is a problem for anybody. Would be an interesting fight, that's for sure.

Carwin will be a big test for Brock. If Brock beats him, then it will surely shut alot of the haters up since not only does Carwin have a wrestling pedigree (not as impressive as Brock's), but a decent MMA record, and he is a big dude, so Brock won't have the same kind of size advantage he has been used to.

And yeah, I agree, the UFC isn't the 'be all and end all' of MMA, but it's certainly the main driving force. Fedor should be fighting in the top organisation, and he's not.

[southmadejd]

People want to automatically crown Brock king and dissect Fedor's competition but Brock is the one who beat Randy a gatekeeper at best of the HW division(at the time) and moved down to LHW to try and still be competitive. He beat Mir who has also beaten him once. I am not saying that Brock is not talented but lets see him fight more before we put him on a pedestal. But wait.....he did beat Heath Herring.

[southmadejd]

On a side note, who wants to see Dan Henderson join Strikeforce so we can finally see Jake Shields get the shit kicked out of him.

[J-Dogg]

Mark Hunt beat Wandy and CC.. at their PRIMES. Couture was only top because he was the UFC champ, and who did he get the title from? ohhhh TIM SYLVIA (who you constantly bash) So, Couture beating Sylvia makes him a hell of a fighter, but Fedor beating Sylvia is putting a can on his record?

And dont even start con GG, he has beaten no one but CC.

I'm not trying to change your opinion, or say that I'm correct and you are not. But honestly I think the biggest difference in the way we are judging fighters is the timing.

When Randy beat Tim, Tim was a better fighter and on top of his game, he was not so hot, when Fedor beat him. He was coming off some losses and was the dominate HW he was when Randy beat him for the title.

Just like when Fedor beat CC, CC was on top of his game.

GG while not beating many of his opponets is still a condeder though too, just like Wandy always is, despite his streak of losses. In most his fights, he just gets caught, Carwin would loose to GG 7 of 10 times, because honestly, GG was tooling Carwin on his feet before Carwin caught him. Your record does not always reflect directly on your ability as a fighter. Luck honestly does play a role in fighting, some times, you just get caught.

Beating Mir also, 2 years ago, was not that much of a accomplishment, but he's a much improved fighter today. His record 2 years ago, reflects very little on his talent he carries today. He's always been great on the mat, but now he's also very impressive with his hands.

AA use to be a dominate HW also, but he's lost a step and really never fully became as dominate as he was after getting KO'd by Timmy.

The reason I don't give Fedor all the credit some people do, are because of these reasons. He's fought the best in the world early in his career. Following those victories, the best in the world are not the best in the world anymore. There are new top HW's to fight now and unforchanatly for us MMA fans, we don't get to see him fight those top HW's.

Everyone would still like to see him fight Randy, Everyone dreams of watching him fight Brock. I'd like to see him fight GG too honestly, he's has massive kicks and great BJJ for a guy that's 255lbs. I'd just be more intrested seeing him fight even Cain, Kongo or Dos to be honest than Brett Rogers because I don't think AA is much of a gate keeper, he's just one of the only top 10 fighters in the HW class outside of the UFC to fight.

[Deltasaurus]

ok

heres the last thing im saying

people say Mir is a can, hes not but he's not the elite, but ok mir is ok

heath hearing who wasnt top 10 at the time, lost a decision to brock then brock gets a title shot ok?

and he beats randy, who people say is old and over rated.

so Brock is number 1 LOL

Fedor is number 1 and has proved it, you dont like it you dont have to. UFC is a big organization they are not MMA, the have a huge roster but they dont have the Best HW's

They are great at marketing fighters, thats why people thing Cain is good or Carwin is something special. they have 3 HW's and 1 with potential
maybe more
MIR
BROCK
RANDY
NOG
and well see how Duffy goes

[J-Dogg]

ok

heres the last thing im saying

people say Mir is a can, hes not but he's not the elite, but ok mir is ok

heath hearing who wasnt top 10 at the time, lost a decision to brock then brock gets a title shot ok?

and he beats randy, who people say is old and over rated.

so Brock is number 1 LOL

Fedor is number 1 and has proved it, you dont like it you dont have to. UFC is a big organization they are not MMA, the have a huge roster but they dont have the Best HW's

They are great at marketing fighters, thats why people thing Cain is good or Carwin is something special. they have 3 HW's and 1 with potential
maybe more
MIR
BROCK
RANDY
NOG
and well see how Duffy goes

I think ppl credit Brock so much not because of who he fights, but because his size would give about anyone problems, and the victories he has, he got fairly easy.

I'd Probably rank the top HW fighters as:

Fedor
Brock
Barnett/Nog (could go either way IMO)
Mir
Randy

After those top 5, the list gets really confusing because the fighters are so off and on. AA will look great against Ben Rothwell, but then seem to fall apart against other guys, and honestly Cain embarassed Ben Rothwell, beat Kongo and is undefeated, so who ranks higher? AA who has impressive victories in the past, or Cain who is coming off 2 wins over top 15 guys and is undefeated?

I'd probably even rank Werdum over some of the guys on most top 10HWs just because of he's probably the best BJJ HW in the world.

But would you rank Rogers over: Brock, Mir, Randy and Nog? I mean we all have our own list, but I can see those 4 guys all going 10-0 vs. the fighters Rogers has fought. I don't think AA could beat any of them consistantly. He might give them trouble but I think the odds would be on any 4 of them over AA at this point in his career.

[Deltasaurus]

i agree werdum is highly overrated but people need to understand things. like u said about randy beating sylvia

Tim had won 6 fights before that then he looses a "5" round decision to randy,randy couldnt finish him.

He then beats Vera, who beat Mir by TKO in the 1st mite I add.
Then he losses after beating nog up for 3 rounds before gettin choked.
Then he Fights Fedor. and gets Zulu'd in like 30 seconds, Fedor Beat him way worse the Nog or Randy way worse.

The AA who losses to sylvia then wins 5 in a row 4 of which by TKO or KO and a decision over Werdum. Then he's Gets Brutally KO'd by Fedor

And then as far as Rogers Go's im just gunna say he is a more marketable carwin with it appears a great amount of potential.

I only have rogers at 3-4 becuase of how well he did against fedor, 1st time fedor been to the 2nd round in 3 years.
Now that being said its obvious that Rogers was underrated and we will see how well he does in the future.
But to say Cain even has a chance is ridiculous he has huige holes in his game.
Look at it this way he has good wrestling with no subs no striking and no power.
He has shown us this by his fights.

Carwin, well u already explained him.

So who is left? Mir? haha no way.
Randy? Id like to see it but he would get zulu'd he doesnt have what it takes to beat fedor

Nog, well Nog cant beat fedor, fedor beat the best nog there ever was, the one who gets beat on forever and pulls of a sub

So that leaves who? Brock, who does have power, size, strength, and great wrestling.
That is the only person i give a chance against fedor as of now.

To beat Fedor you have to have 1 thing no matter what, u have to have power in your hands.


Lastly people act like fedor getting punched in a fight is a new thing, its not. its a fight thats what happens u get hit.

CC Hit him good
Fujita caught him
etc.....


WAR FEDOR!!!!!

[Deltasaurus]

also most of the cans rogers fought, have winning records.

cant say the same for Carwins

[roid_rage]

I'm not trying to change your opinion, or say that I'm correct and you are not. But honestly I think the biggest difference in the way we are judging fighters is the timing.

When Randy beat Tim, Tim was a better fighter and on top of his game, he was not so hot, when Fedor beat him. He was coming off some losses and was the dominate HW he was when Randy beat him for the title.

Just like when Fedor beat CC, CC was on top of his game.

GG while not beating many of his opponets is still a condeder though too, just like Wandy always is, despite his streak of losses. In most his fights, he just gets caught, Carwin would loose to GG 7 of 10 times, because honestly, GG was tooling Carwin on his feet before Carwin caught him. Your record does not always reflect directly on your ability as a fighter. Luck honestly does play a role in fighting, some times, you just get caught.

Beating Mir also, 2 years ago, was not that much of a accomplishment, but he's a much improved fighter today. His record 2 years ago, reflects very little on his talent he carries today. He's always been great on the mat, but now he's also very impressive with his hands.

AA use to be a dominate HW also, but he's lost a step and really never fully became as dominate as he was after getting KO'd by Timmy.

The reason I don't give Fedor all the credit some people do, are because of these reasons. He's fought the best in the world early in his career. Following those victories, the best in the world are not the best in the world anymore. There are new top HW's to fight now and unforchanatly for us MMA fans, we don't get to see him fight those top HW's.

Everyone would still like to see him fight Randy, Everyone dreams of watching him fight Brock. I'd like to see him fight GG too honestly, he's has massive kicks and great BJJ for a guy that's 255lbs. I'd just be more intrested seeing him fight even Cain, Kongo or Dos to be honest than Brett Rogers because I don't think AA is much of a gate keeper, he's just one of the only top 10 fighters in the HW class outside of the UFC to fight.

I think you should look at the timing thing... Sylvia was coming of a Win over vera and a loss to Nog (who he was beating till he got cauhgt)... AA lost a step after Sylvias fight??? HE WAS IN A 5 WINNING STREAK !!! how is that losing a step???? And Mir is being taken seriusly because he beat a ****ed up Nog...thats the only reason... No bro, your timing is wrong.

And im sorry, but NO ONE wants to see him fight Randy, I see you put Randy in the top 5??? WHAT IN THE HECK HAS RANDY DONE!!! not only in 2 years, but how about in 8 years??? yeah, Tim and GG are the only wins of couture in the HWd in 8 years, and that was 2 YEARS AGO!!!

[J-Dogg]

I think you should look at the timing thing... Sylvia was coming of a Win over vera and a loss to Nog (who he was beating till he got cauhgt)... AA lost a step after Sylvias fight??? HE WAS IN A 5 WINNING STREAK !!! how is that losing a step???? And Mir is being taken seriusly because he beat a ****ed up Nog...thats the only reason... No bro, your timing is wrong.

And im sorry, but NO ONE wants to see him fight Randy, I see you put Randy in the top 5??? WHAT IN THE HECK HAS RANDY DONE!!! not only in 2 years, but how about in 8 years??? yeah, Tim and GG are the only wins of couture in the HWd in 8 years, and that was 2 YEARS AGO!!!

You are honestly too fusterating and honestly you type agressivly doing this stuff with caps and 20 question marks, it does not really help make any points. Generally when you see this, people are trying to make their point while discrediting anyone elses opinion immidatly. As you grow older, and mature, you'll learn and gain more respect by simply validating your points outside of caps and abundant punctuation.

But to A,

I agree with your points, I would still consideder tim and AA top fighters, but I guess I'd just have a hard time still putting them in the top 5.

As far as Rogers, I can't justify putting him in the top 5 because how he did against Fedor. It's just too easy to assume Fedor was not as great that night, or Rogers maybe was a little more. Beating AA and loosing to Fedor.

I would not rank Cain in the top 5 either, just saying his record is just as impressive as AA's is so far this year, undefeated and victories over Rothwel and Kongo. AA is 5 for 7 with victories over Rothwell and Werdum, and Cain was more impressive against Rothwell than AA was is why I would probably consider him as a young guy who could do some things in the HW class. But he's also green, and needs some more top level fights to really see what he can showcase.

I just feel that probably 4 of the top 8 guys in the HW class are probably in the UFC, Brock, Nog, Mir and Randy not because of his record, because he finds a way to over come fighters he should not be able too. Outside of the UFC Barnnet is really the only real test for the guy. And you are correct, I don't really see the point in seeing him fight Nog again.

[Deltasaurus]

Cool ya, I think Fedor should Fight overeem and rogers should fight werdum.

problem with overeem and barnett id drug testing. so we will see what happens fedor said he will probably fight brock next year

[roid_rage]

You are honestly too fusterating and honestly you type agressivly doing this stuff with caps and 20 question marks, it does not really help make any points. Generally when you see this, people are trying to make their point while discrediting anyone elses opinion immidatly. As you grow older, and mature, you'll learn and gain more respect by simply validating your points outside of caps and abundant punctuation.

But to A,

I agree with your points, I would still consideder tim and AA top fighters, but I guess I'd just have a hard time still putting them in the top 5.

As far as Rogers, I can't justify putting him in the top 5 because how he did against Fedor. It's just too easy to assume Fedor was not as great that night, or Rogers maybe was a little more. Beating AA and loosing to Fedor.

I would not rank Cain in the top 5 either, just saying his record is just as impressive as AA's is so far this year, undefeated and victories over Rothwel and Kongo. AA is 5 for 7 with victories over Rothwell and Werdum, and Cain was more impressive against Rothwell than AA was is why I would probably consider him as a young guy who could do some things in the HW class. But he's also green, and needs some more top level fights to really see what he can showcase.

I just feel that probably 4 of the top 8 guys in the HW class are probably in the UFC, Brock, Nog, Mir and Randy not because of his record, because he finds a way to over come fighters he should not be able too. Outside of the UFC Barnnet is really the only real test for the guy. And you are correct, I don't really see the point in seeing him fight Nog again.

dude, its ok the rest, but couture??? 2 wins in 8 years? and 2 years ago, no matter if he was facing hulk and manage to beat him, he cannot be top 10, hell not even top 15. And im sorry, but he didnt find the way to beat Brock, nor to beat Nog, and frankly, if GG hadnt accidentally broken his nose,I really doubt he would've beat him... , in fact, he didnt find the way to beat a LOT of his oponents... Randy is a great guy, great sportsman, captain america and all you want, but he certanly isnt a top 10 HW.

[zimmy]

lol...funny...you guys get into talking about the fighters like YOU are the fighters :P

[J-Dogg]

Cool ya, I think Fedor should Fight overeem and rogers should fight werdum.

problem with overeem and barnett id drug testing. so we will see what happens fedor said he will probably fight brock next year

Nice match ups there, I think even Rogers vs. Overeem (another striker) would be a intresting match up for Rogers also. I kind of see Rogers as I would a Ben Rothwell or Roy Nelson. A real solid fighter, who could beat anyone, but hard to be a top ranked fighter.

I don't think Overeem can do too much against Fedor either, but it would be a good test for the Russian. Overeem has some length on him, and some respectable striking. But honestly, it seems Fedor is just not scared to throw with anyone, and he's coming out ahead even throwing looping punches....he makes them land. the guy is solid on the cage, and a I don't think anyone can sub Fedor.

[J-Dogg]

dude, its ok the rest, but couture??? 2 wins in 8 years? and 2 years ago, no matter if he was facing hulk and manage to beat him, he cannot be top 10, hell not even top 15. And im sorry, but he didnt find the way to beat Brock, nor to beat Nog, and frankly, if GG hadnt accidentally broken his nose,I really doubt he would've beat him... , in fact, he didnt find the way to beat a LOT of his oponents... Randy is a great guy, great sportsman, captain america and all you want, but he certanly isnt a top 10 HW.

Ya, I do see your point with Randy.

I guess I still give him credit, because he "retired" a top 5 HW and as the HW champ in the UFC.

He came out of retirment and got beat by Brock and Nog. I don't think Randy can or should be able to beat Fedor, Brock or Nog though. He came out of retirment and got beat by the number 2 and 3/4 HWs in the world. After putting Fedor at number 1, would you agree (in no order) that Barnett, Brock, Nog and Mir would probably round out the top 5?

I would still place him right around the area I would Tim and AA though. If he was given the fights AA was, his win/loss would probably be the same as AA has been for the past 2 years.

I can't justify just dropping Randy off the top 10 for loosing to people that are in the top 3.

[southmadejd]

I wonder who Strikeforce will have Fedor fight next. It seems stupid to have him fight Werdum, simply because I think Strikeforce needs to give him the title shot so then they can promote him as the Champion for at least one more fight before his contract is up. And honestly, I think he would destroy Werdum. Werdum's stand up is very suspect and he is not going to be able to sub Fedor. So I think Overeem is the logical next step. Plus Werdum has already fought Overeem and there is no reason Rogers should be given a title fight after having lost to Fedor. I am not sure if they will ever be able to get Overeem back to the states. I just think it is weird that he has not defended his title for 2 years. I know he broke his hand but it seems like something else might be going on.

[quarry206]

Fedor did great, i was so so happy to see him fight again, just two more fights on this contract and i'll pray that he will go back to talks with UFC..

nonetheless, i was really happy to see fedor fight since he has been off for a while. i love watching him fight, every time you ever see him on bottom and you think he is going to get knocked out or something he grabs a arm and gets an armbar he was really close against rogers to the arm bar. but i'm happy with the knock out.

i'd like to see somebody with alittle more ground game fiht fedor, strikers can't do it. . . and though i am a fedor fan, i want to see him fight the same level of talent he use to have come his way.

[WHOADY4SHOADY]

I wouldn't be surprised if rogers knocked brock lesner out, I think people are really cutting that dude short as hell...

I agree, and it really makes me angry.

[yannick35]

I agree, and it really makes me angry.

Agree Rogers deserves a lot more credit then he is getting right now, he got passed the first round against Fedor which says a lot and he got some really sick punching power.

He deserves is shot at the heavyweight title too, which he was suppose to have last year against Overeem who chickened out.

[Deltasaurus]

hey im just saying his record it as good as carwins.

the guy went up in rank after losing to fedor. i feel he would whoop as in UFC maybe lose to brock.
Guy proved he is solid, only thing i dont like is his post fight attitude he still has/

sayin early stoppage and that he won round one lol

[roid_rage]

Ya, I do see your point with Randy.

I guess I still give him credit, because he "retired" a top 5 HW and as the HW champ in the UFC.

He came out of retirment and got beat by Brock and Nog. I don't think Randy can or should be able to beat Fedor, Brock or Nog though. He came out of retirment and got beat by the number 2 and 3/4 HWs in the world. After putting Fedor at number 1, would you agree (in no order) that Barnett, Brock, Nog and Mir would probably round out the top 5?

I would still place him right around the area I would Tim and AA though. If he was given the fights AA was, his win/loss would probably be the same as AA has been for the past 2 years.

I can't justify just dropping Randy off the top 10 for loosing to people that are in the top 3.

I agree on that, dont know about mir, but I guess he should be right there. I think JDS deseves it right now more than Mir, and I do think JDS will beat the living crap out of him...

And about Randy, well, you shouldnt justify him in the top 10 for 2 wins in 8 and 2 years ago either dont you think?...

[jasperhup]

j-dog is making the strongest points in this thread.

no one is saying fedor isn't a top 3 HW, hell i don't think anyone has said he isn't number one in this thread.

the big argument is about rogers. guy is huge and powerful, but he is flabby, showed terrible conditioning against fedor, and poor technical skills (although i thought his ground game was much better than expected).

he got caught with a right early in round 2 (just missed getting tagged by the following left) and the knock out punch (which was totally awesome) hit him because he was in an orthodox stance with his left hand way low, not punching, not moving, against a power right hand puncher. that's just as amature as when bisping got KTFO by henderson for circling all fight to his left.

i like rogers, and think he has good tools, but he needs years of training and good conditioning to be a real top 10 fighter. he does dumb things standing and has no bjj or wresting background. guys like carwin and cain (who i think just make the top 10 if they are even in it) have massive wrestling backgrounds and have been in wresting matches hundreds if not thousands of times. a guy like rogers has been in 10 mma fights and maybe some street fights, but has a long long way to go to be up there.