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05-20-2014, 11:47 AM #41
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05-20-2014, 12:09 PM #42
Plenty of guys I know 3 days off carbs 1 day on for prepping for shows.
metal- settle this for us. Or is it trial and error cause diet changes for us all.
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05-20-2014, 12:18 PM #43
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05-20-2014, 01:00 PM #44
Metal- what is your t3 dosage off season?
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05-20-2014, 01:00 PM #45
It's a hormone problem. What else are you taking?
Carbs - there's no right answer. What cape does most couldn't do, including me but there are guys that can eat more carbs and do little to no cardio, again not most. So that alone should tell us that X amount of carbs at certain times of day is meaningless in terms of a perfect answer for all.
Speaking for myself when dieting, when carbs need to be reduced, for myself the first thing that goes is and carb meal that's not pre or PWO or first meal of the day. Once those carb meals are gone, if carbs need to be reduced further I'll drop the PWO carb meal, not the meal but the carb portion. The last carb meal to go is pre-training. Now how many carb meals there were altogether, that depends. I've dieting with carbs in my diet all the way through and with no carbs at all the entire time in keto plans.
Types of carbs, rice, oats, potatoes (any kind of potato).
A good solution - you'd have to list out what you're eating.
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05-20-2014, 01:01 PM #46
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05-20-2014, 01:02 PM #47
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05-20-2014, 01:32 PM #48
Do you coach people on show prep now?
So you play trial and error with their diets.
So overall for gh. Would you rather run 10ius for 1 year or 5 ius for 2 years
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05-20-2014, 01:56 PM #49
What are your thoughts on injecting growth intravenous ? I know some who have and holy hell they exploded.
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05-20-2014, 02:01 PM #50
I do but I don't as much as I used to. At times I'd like to do it more again, I do enjoy it. The last two years I haven't had as much time though due to some work related things. I still keep a handful a year of people that I want to work with but in time I'll probably start picking up more again as time allows. As far as the diets, I have a handful of what I call base diets and from there they are adjusted from person to person. As you work with someone long enough it gets easier and easier to make things fit and work just right for them. But it's funny, there's a normal course of action I've noticed over the years - women are easy, they work with you for a show and will stay with you as long as they compete. Men, if they do not win outright they get pissed and go to someone else or if they place well in one show but worse in the next they go to someone else. But eventually you end up picking up some of those same guys again later on as they mature in the sport a little more. Just the way it is.
The GH question - that's a hard one to answer. Personally, I'd lean towards the 5iu for 2yrs simply for the fact that the longer you can use gh the better. The exception, someone's competing for a pro card during that 1yr period, in that case 10iu...and I'm talking about a guy that has a true chance.
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05-20-2014, 02:03 PM #51
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05-20-2014, 02:08 PM #52
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05-20-2014, 02:12 PM #53
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05-20-2014, 02:18 PM #54
One of the best amateur bodybuilders I know of, I mean unreal genetics, is like he was birthed for the sole purpose of bodybuilding - he stands 5'10, 290lbs in the off-season with abs...not great ripped abs but abs and vascular from head to toe. His off-season gear use is 1000-2000mg/test/wk, 10-15iu HGH/ed, IGF-1 and Insulin (I can't remember how much of the last two but I can ask). That's all he takes with the exception of 200mg/deca sometimes for joint issues and once in a blue moon a short burst of Tren just for fun. Contest time he runs everything you can think of....my point, well I don't know if I had a point, lol!
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05-20-2014, 02:29 PM #55
Most anabolic things
#1 food
#2 slin
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05-20-2014, 02:35 PM #56
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05-20-2014, 02:43 PM #57
9am oats+whey+5 eggs+olive oil+multivitamin
12 chicken breast+1 spoon peanut butter
15pm chicken breast+1spoon peanut butter
16pm 1 banana+ 1000 vit c
17pm train
18pm pwo(oats + whey)+ 1000 vit c
20pm 5 egg whites+vit c+
23pm lean beef+green beans+omega3
test prop - 350/w
tren ace - 700/w
eq - 800/w
mast - 300/w
clen 120 mcg/d
t3 50 mcg/d
ketotifen 2 /d
multivits\omega 3
vit C
apple vinegar
sex once or twice a day
8 hours of sleep
1 aspirin a day
cheat meal is on sunday,usually bacon,donuts,icecream,cake,fat pork,whatever i get my hands on.
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05-20-2014, 02:46 PM #58
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05-20-2014, 02:48 PM #59
Last edited by David PvP; 05-20-2014 at 02:50 PM.
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05-20-2014, 02:54 PM #60
because the more i have sex the more i dont want it,and takes some of my power away or that's how i feel,there are some rare days when i dont do it and i feel better. i remember once i was supose to do a shoulder training and shoulders are by far my beloved muscle group,and i had a shot half an hour before and it was terrible,crap training,crap day alltogheter,i think i need to drop some for better results in the mirror and thats all that matters for me atm
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05-20-2014, 02:57 PM #61
you got me there Metal,i have a cup of oats but i never really weighted it,and i know chicken breast is around 200g each meal,beef around 170,guilty
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05-20-2014, 03:04 PM #62
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05-20-2014, 03:13 PM #63
Sexy won't take your power. That's an old boxer theory. Some training days will be sh!t they won't all be winners.
Did you say water is highly anabolic ?It is involved in modulating the hormonal and metabolic responses to resistance exercise.
Lower your clen dose. IMO. It makes me feel like hell some days.Last edited by Capebuffalo; 05-20-2014 at 03:19 PM.
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05-20-2014, 03:13 PM #64
you need to be way more dedicated then a cup of oats. yor calories need to be exactly. 200 calories over your goal each day seems like nothing but at the end of the week your 1400 over. or when bulking you are still eating over your limit and you will gain way to much fat. I did this and never again. it took me 16 weeks to get my abs back again. that is cutting and morning fasted cardio every day 7x a week for 16 weeks. sure I could of done it in 8 probably with losing more muscle. I wanted to lose none so I did it slow.
My point is your diet is the most important thing on here and MOST spend the least amount of time worrying about it.
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05-20-2014, 03:22 PM #65
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05-20-2014, 03:24 PM #66
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05-20-2014, 03:24 PM #67
very true heavy words man....i know diet is more important than anything you can think of and the hardest to keep ,cuze it actually requires you're full attention day afther day meal afther meal,i just try to lie at times to myself,and i bet alot of people do that too,i even heard a few pros abuse hgh and t3 so they can eat crap more than a simple cheat meal,diet can play tricks with youre mind at times.
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05-20-2014, 03:25 PM #68
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05-20-2014, 03:48 PM #69
The reason a lot of guys have bad training sessions after sex is because they let themselves become too relaxed. It's not the sex itself that did it to them but the mindset they put themselves into.
As for your food, I'll be glad to help for a check in the mail LOL!
Seriously, if you're not losing fat and or gaining fat, something has to change, as you know.
Glancing at your diet, you're eating 3000 calories a day, maybe more if the meats are even higher than you think. There's problem number one.
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05-20-2014, 04:20 PM #70
yes those people try to use drugs to help with your cheating or bad diet but if you want to look the best you can you will need to eat right. yes clen t3 albu can all help lose some fat but I could take 200mcg of t3 and if you eat bad your going no where.
Most like myself have a dialed in diet where we are kinda like machines doing the same thing day in and day out with a few changes. Is it boring, ya a little bit but results are the reward and I have one FULL cheat meal a week. I eat whatever I want and have a huge dessert following. last week was chicken, tri tip steak, garlic bread, French fries, and a 32oz of ice cream
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05-20-2014, 04:30 PM #71
Again, it just depends on the guy. I know guys who eat cake every day up to 6wks out and they come on stage looking awesome. Diet is important and I know people get tired of hearing it but it's still true, in bodybuilding drugs and genetics is everything, then diet.
As far as cheat meals go, that's my favorite topic. I used get cravings like a pregnant woman. Weirdest meal I ever had was sushi and taco bell with cereal for desert. Biggest cheat meal I ever had: This was 4-5wks out - IHOP, 2 steak omelets, 6 pancakes, 6 pieces of bacon, 6 cheese sticks, hash browns, half an order of crapes from the girl I was with, 4-5 glasses of vitamin D milk and 2 pints of ice cream. By the end of the meal I was drenched in sweat, I mean soaked and you could see my heart beating under my shirt....45min later I was starving!!! By the end of prep I was always so hungry I couldn't see straight. I could eat and eat for weeks after a show and never feel satisfied.
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05-20-2014, 04:34 PM #72
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05-20-2014, 09:57 PM #73
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05-20-2014, 11:15 PM #74
A lot of guys hold to this train of thought - take gear, make gains, come off gear and train even harder to make more gains and protect the gains they have. If they happen to hold the same bodyweight they deem it a success, even though nine times out of ten they are now holding more body fat. This is the typical gym rat/gear head mentality.
Another scenario - take gear, make gains, take more gear, lots of gear and lean out for a show. Put yourself through hell and now train even harder for rebound gains. What usually happens - gain more fat than you should have or burn out.
For the regular guy running a cycle or two a year, the serious time off of training may not be needed but it's still a good idea to take a week off here and there.
For the bodybuilder who trains like an insane person, takes a lot of gear (possibly most of the year) competitor or not, it's a good idea to take bigger breaks. Take a month or two off from training if you're done competing that year. You're not going to make any real gains during this phase anyway and your body needs a rest, physically it needs the rest. Ronnie Coleman didn't make it as long as he did without an injury for no reason - he'd take 3 months off after the Olympia every year. Cutler used to take two months off, but I can't say if that's still true or not but I'd bet money it is.
Will you lose some size and appear a little softer if you do this? Absolutely, but it's short lived and you'll do much better in the long run, protect yourself from injury and protect yourself from burning out. It took me forever to figure this out and if I had sooner I might not have had as many injuries or problems as I did. Just don't let your mind mess with you, everything will be fine. More than likely, everything will be better.
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05-21-2014, 08:32 AM #75
Best protocol for staying on year long? 8 on 2 off?
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05-21-2014, 09:45 AM #76
There's lots of ways you can do it. How your shows are lining up, when and how many will determine what you do. For example, if you're doing a spring and early fall show there's no reason you can't take a break somewhere in the middle. "Break" meaning low dose test for a few weeks. But if you're doing a few shows there's not going to be coming off.
I've done the 8-9 months of heavy use several times and IMO when it comes to that 2 month or so period of being off PCT is pointless, at least standard PCT. My preference, low dose test and frequent HCG . Although I'll admit there have been many times where I'd just stop taking everything, wouldn't even take a low dose of testosterone because I was so sick of injecting.
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05-21-2014, 09:54 AM #77
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05-21-2014, 10:13 AM #78
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05-21-2014, 10:39 AM #79
Just depends. Primarily I always used Test-e, off-season and contest. I used some of everything else too but Test-e was always easy to come by and I preferred the Testoviron amps over anything else. As for the rest of the off-season, I'd rotate Tren and Nandrolone but more Nandrolone than anything else. Would add in Dbol sometimes for fun but that's about all it's good for, fun. But sure, doses would go up sometimes and sometimes they'd remain consistent for long periods of time. I never got into the short blast periods of high doses for a few weeks followed by low doses for a few weeks and so on. Contest prep, the more the prep went on the more gear was added, larger doses, more compounds, etc.
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05-21-2014, 10:41 AM #80
Once a week, last meal of the day on Saturday night. Cheat meal would stay in the diet until it needed to go. I've kept cheat meals in until 3wks out and I've had to stop them 6wks out. Each diet is different. But I always do my best to make food cry, lol! Kind of a good rule to go by with cheat meals - if you throw up you ate too much. If you can't breath you ate too much. Otherwise eat whatever you want.
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