My Extreme bulk!! No Gear needed..

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 06-23-2006, 12:28 AM

I eat 2-3lbs 96/4 beef a day, shitloads of rice, potatoes, and fruit.

I am eating 350-400g protein, 700-900g carbs, 140-150g fat

fat is good 35 is sat. 32 from flax, 12 from *****'s, 16 from almonds, 15 or so from salmon. no trans fats.

I alternate carbs kinda weird
mon700g, tues750g, wed800g, thurs850g, fri ,sat and sun 900g(this is hard, been at it for 8 days.

take 10g cee/day, 15g aakg powder, 10g taurine, 20g glutamine

animal pak vits
2500mcg b12
150mg b6
2000mg vitc 2 x a day
800iu e
600 mg potassium.

Does this look good, do this for 4-5 months then cut for 10 weeks.

I am 19, 6'5 241 9%bf. I want to gain 20 natty pounds, maybe it will happen. been training almost 5 years.

**IBdmfkr** · 06-23-2006, 12:32 AM

That's a horrible diet that will pack on plenty of fat along with the muscle. You'll deff pack on 20lbs though if that's all you care about. I'd clean it up a bit IMO, all the extra calories aren't needed. Also Very doubtful you're 9% but I'll take your word for it, or you can post pics.

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 06-23-2006, 12:38 AM

Well no cam, but i am 95 had it tested they dunked me in this water tank and shit at my docs.

I just cut from 273 dow nto where i am. why is this bad. my metabolism is high which i hate. I also do 25mins cardio 3-4 days a week when bulking.

even when cutting i eat 300g carbs a day, and 90g fat.

I also can eat 3500-3900 cals a day and not gain an ounce ever. Sucks with my metabolism. And it sucks more being tall.

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 06-23-2006, 12:38 AM

I mean 9% not 95 lol

**IBdmfkr** · 06-23-2006, 12:44 AM

5000+ calories just isn't needed bro, go a bit over your maintainance which seems to be around 3800/day for LBM gains, anything over will result in fatgain. Will you be using anabolics?

Also, at your stats you should become a Pro-wrestler, that's some sick stats.

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 06-23-2006, 12:47 AM

Well no I am not using gear, I am 19. They persuaded me away, which is for the best i guess.

I usually use 5500 cals, gain 12-13 muscle in 3-4 months and prolly 3-6 fat.

I wantedto push it up.

Maybe 400 protien, 650g carbs, 120g fat = 5300, then i will add if need be. i have gained 6 lbs in 10 days, but it is mostly food weight i am sure, and water form sodium increase. I drink like 2g water a day atleast.

well off to bed. keep on posting, good night bruthers. i am outty for now.

**spittin' 'n cussin'** · 06-23-2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by NEW_IN_THE_GAME

... my metabolism is high which i hate....I also can eat 3500-3900 cals a day and not gain an ounce ever... Sucks with my metabolism. And it sucks more being tall.

amen brother

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 06-23-2006, 02:29 PM

true . Today is Leg day lets see if all these carbs give me some force. Or if i can lift a lil Longer.

Maybe i should keep a journal.

**chest6** · 06-23-2006, 02:58 PM

Well I used to eat a little over maintenance and then tried the 5.5k-6.5k cals route and the difference in gains was huge

**Superballer** · 06-23-2006, 03:09 PM

Chest, the huge gains were muscle or fat?

Or more fat along with more muscle?

Or just more muscle?

**chest6** · 06-23-2006, 03:20 PM

Huge strength gains, muscle gains. Fat gains only came when I stopped the cardio completely...and they were very small fat gains. Granted, all those calories were clean. It wasn't 5.5-6.5 cals of cheeseburgers..

**Superballer** · 06-23-2006, 03:41 PM

yeah, I'd never imagine you eating shit.

Good to know, thanks for the info.

**novastepp** · 06-23-2006, 03:47 PM

sorry to hijack, but chest i'm curious. so you would advocate a diet in extra high excess clean calories and a steady cardio routine while bulking? because i was going to give that a shot this fall.

**chest6** · 06-23-2006, 06:02 PM

I mean I'm sure a lot would disagree with me but I have tried both. 500 over maintenance and then upwards of 6k. When I was eating all that food..my squat would go up at least 10lbs on a weekly basis..

**novastepp** · 06-23-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by chest6

I mean I'm sure a lot would disagree with me but I have tried both. 500 over maintenance and then upwards of 6k. When I was eating all that food..my squat would go up at least 10lbs on a weekly basis..

yeah well, many disagree with about everything right?! i am going to go 1000+ over my maint. this fall and see how it goes i will be doing low intensity cardio 4 days a week on empty in the am. thanks for your positive opinion.

**taiboxa** · 06-23-2006, 06:44 PM

there really is NO DIFFERENCE IN GROWTH between exceeding ur Maintiance calorie intake by 250 cals or 2500 cals.. so why add that extra fat on..
ABSOLUTELY IDIOITIC!

u really should take a gander at my diet

as im bout 298 13-14% as of now
My Diet

**novastepp** · 06-23-2006, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

there really is NO DIFFERENCE IN GROWTH between exceeding ur Maintiance calorie intake by 250 cals or 2500 cals.. so why add that extra fat on..
ABSOLUTELY IDIOITIC!

u really should take a gander at my diet

as im bout 298 13-14% as of now
My Diet

i appreciate your response Tai, your diet looks pretty interesting. i am still volleying ideas around in my head. but i am definately looking to bulk and just need to straighten my thoughts out.

**taiboxa** · 06-23-2006, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by novastepp

i appreciate your response Tai, your diet looks pretty interesting. i am still volleying ideas around in my head. but i am definately looking to bulk and just need to straighten my thoughts out.

just remember the mroe fat u slap on .. the more time u gotta spend cutting and risking LOOSING that hard earned muscle

**novastepp** · 06-23-2006, 07:38 PM

which is exactly why i am cutting down now, so i don't have to lose LBM in the future... you're right i need to keep it clean... if i only hada home gym...

**spound** · 06-23-2006, 07:38 PM

I try to keep cals about 1000 cals over maintenance with 3-5 days of am low intensity cardio in the mix for 30minutes and I have found this to be the BEST.

**chest6** · 06-23-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by taiboxa

there really is NO DIFFERENCE IN GROWTH between exceeding ur Maintiance calorie intake by 250 cals or 2500 cals.. so why add that extra fat on..
ABSOLUTELY IDIOITIC!

Well yeah I knew ppl would flame but I am just saying in my experiences...

**NEW_IN_THE_GAME** · 06-23-2006, 08:29 PM

well tai, i gain more the more ieat. Usually 3-6 fat in 3-4 months and 12-13 lbs muscle. while bulking on 5500. this one was gonna be a lil higher like 6600 or so. for 5 months.

He lets see some people list their greatest meanest bulks. I eman insane. once i did 6 weeks ,at 600g protein, and 1200g carbs, while on 160g fat. just to try it, gained 7 muscle and 7 fat. so yeah not wise. this was while doing 45mins cardio 4 days a week..

just something i tried.

**IBdmfkr** · 06-23-2006, 10:02 PM

You claim you naturally gained 7lbs muscle in 7wks and 13lbs muscle in 3-4months.
Gimme a break bro.

You're 19, I'd expect stories like this I guess.

**smokethedays** · 06-23-2006, 10:20 PM

all i got to say, that is waaaaaay too much red meat.

**taiboxa** · 06-24-2006, 11:13 AM

a person who has acquired a deceant base is LUCKY TO PUT ON 8lbs of SOLID MUSCLE IN A YEAR! remember that

because its EASY TO PUT ON glycogen/water/fat but muscle.. thats a tottally different story OF COURSE NEWBIES on the other hand kan pack it on quick for 3-6months..

seriously u all make these FAST MASS COMMENTS NOW.. play the game a few more years and u will understand exactly where im comming from.

oh and btw NATTY i kan put on 10-15lbs a week if i want

its just ALOT OF WATER and some nice fat resreves but it IS POSSIBLE..

**chest6** · 06-24-2006, 04:54 PM

Well Im sure its hard to put on weight naturally at 298lbs. I don't really think I'm near the point where I can't gain weight naturally anymore..so it comes

**taiboxa** · 06-25-2006, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by chest6

Well Im sure its hard to put on weight naturally at 298lbs. I don't really think I'm near the point where I can't gain weight naturally anymore..so it comes

my buddy is 5'5 and 180 bout 8-10% and he has perfect diet and training regiment but NEVER TOUCHES aas.. NEVER hates the shit
but he is lucky to put on 5lbs a year