Trying to Clean Bulk - Goal is to get bigger but look ripped/6 pack - wrong way?

**hockeyroom28** · 09-05-2007, 07:41 PM

My goal is to get bigger, but be ripped and cut up. My ideal look is 6,8, or even better 12 pack hard look a lot of vascularity. I posted pictures on my thread in the main Steroids Question/Answer forum. I am posting my sample diet (today up to right now). Is this OK?

I am 5'10 170, lifting 2 1/2+ years, workout 5 days a week, low cardio once a week. Again, I'm looking to be cut not massive and bulky.

Todays Diet. The numbers are Calories, Fat, Carbs, Protein

#1
Muscle Milk Chocolate Milk 350 18 12 32
Egg Whites - Box Shop Rite 90 0 3 18
Egg, whole, raw 66 4 1 5
Bread, whole wheat, 100% 79 1 15 3
Fat Free American Cheese - Shop Rite 30 0 2 5

#2
Cytogainer 580 5 79 54

#3
100% ON Protein 240 2 6 48
Tuna - Bumble Bee Chunk Light 150 1 0 33
Oatmeal 103 2 18 4
Bread, whole wheat, 100% 79 1 15 3
Fat Free American Cheese - Shop Rite 30 0 2 5

#4
Chicken and Rice Brower 480 19 12 64
Yam, raw 221 0 52 3
Sushi, with vegetables and fish 217 1 44 8
Skim Milk 43 0 6 4
Rice Krispies 98 0 22 2
Low Fat Yogurt 100 1 22 3

Totals
2956 cals
57 fat
311 carbs
294 protein

Thanks in advance for any help.

**hockeyroom28** · 09-08-2007, 05:38 PM

any ideas?

**taiboxa** · 09-08-2007, 07:25 PM

ONLY 4 meals?
why are your carbs so high?
do you have an idea of what macros your shooting for?

honestly that diet is attrocious..

**hockeyroom28** · 09-09-2007, 02:37 PM

why is it so bad? im trying to get my cals up. The macros I am trying for is 40-40-20 bulk.

**Slaiv** · 09-09-2007, 03:04 PM

carbs are waay to high

not enough protein

make your meals real food instead of the protein powder stuff

and that muscle milk is too fatty.

**Prada** · 09-09-2007, 03:56 PM

Your goals are conflicting, difficult to recommend anything without a clear cut goal.
Bulk or Cut.

**hockeyroom28** · 09-09-2007, 04:03 PM

yea, i know my goal is contradicting. i thought the carbs were fine at 40-40-20.

**mkrulic** · 09-09-2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by hockeyroom28

yea, i know my goal is contradicting. i thought the carbs were fine at 40-40-20.

I think what they are saying is portion size for carbs is too much. need more meals like tai was hinting at.

**mkrulic** · 09-09-2007, 05:29 PM

also, your protien is way to high for each meal. 40 grams is a max for meal size, need at least 2 hours after that for processing. need more meals throughout the day

**taiboxa** · 09-09-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

also, your protien is way to high for each meal. 40 grams is a max for meal size, need at least 2 hours after that for processing. need more meals throughout the day

meh u cant really make a blanket statement like that.. depends on his activity/metabolic rate i.e. if he is active or sedintary.. the BA of the protein.. other macros involved.. amount of fiber and type of fiber..
but you are right, he does need to get his macro's per meal straightened for sure.

**hockeyroom28** · 09-09-2007, 11:42 PM

so i need to eat more times but same macros?

**hockeyroom28** · 09-10-2007, 10:05 PM

ok which is better, the diet posted in 1st post or this one from today:

100% ON Protein 120 1 3 24
Fat Free American Cheese - Shop Rite 30 0 2 5
Egg Whites - Box Shop Rite 90 0 3 18
Egg, whole, raw 86 6 1 7
Bread, whole wheat, 100% 79 1 15 3

100% ON Protein 240 2 6 48
Grilled Chicken - Perdue 1/2 piece 220 2 0 42

Muscle Milk Chocolate Milk 350 18 12 32
Bread, whole wheat, 100% 79 1 15 3
Fat Free American Cheese - Shop Rite 30 0 2 5
Tuna - Bumble Bee Chunk Light 150 1 0 33

Grilled Chicken - Perdue 1/2 piece 110 1 0 21
Grilled Chicken - Perdue 1/2 piece 330 3 0 63
Cookie-Crisp 15 0 3 0

100% ON Protein 240 2 6 48

Totals 2169 cal 39 fat 67 carbs 352 protein

**Mathom** · 09-10-2007, 10:30 PM

Way too many shakes. 3 meals with ON protein, 1 with muscle milk, and something with cookies in it in the other meal? and american cheese twice? Basically everything you're eating you're eating out of a box or a package, do you really think thats going to be a good diet? Are you aware of what a "clean" diet actually is? Some of your meals still have too much protein in them, and you still aren't eating enough meals. Your last meal being a shake is a bad idea, you'll end up catabolic at night. Try to eat whole foods. Sandwiches and shakes alone just arent going to cut it.

**hockeyroom28** · 09-11-2007, 02:02 PM

i dont see how i can eat much more clean than this? chicken, tuna, fat free cheese how is that bad?

**ottomaddox** · 09-11-2007, 02:14 PM

Do you have vegetables where you live?

**hockeyroom28** · 09-11-2007, 02:19 PM

lol yes just havent had a chance to buy since i just moved back into school, what do you recommend?

**AandF6969** · 10-01-2007, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by hockeyroom28

what do you recommend?

I'd recommend that you decide your main goal - gain muscle mass or lose fat, because your diet is going to have to point to one or the other. Yes, they can happen simultaneously, but very, VERY slowly.