Real Food "Shakes"

[thewun]

I have read all the info on this board and probably the entire internet on Real Food vs. Shakes or Powders. I guess I would agree that real food has many more benefits and the only real benefit of a shake is convenience. I have a little different question than has been asked on this board (and several others, and all over the internet and in every gym) over and over again. Actually I have three questions the other two are related but not as in depth or as frequently discussed. These questions are in relation to bulking a bulking cycle only.

1) If a shake is made from all real food products and has all the correct macro's that one needs for that meal, is it any different from eating actual food? For example a shake that includes; milk, egg whites (pasteurized), natural peanut butter, flax oil, raw oats (powdered in a food processor) fruit(raw). No protein powder except pwo and maybe one other during the day.

2) Would it be OK to get 60 percent, or more, of ones calories from these shakes per day.

3) Is it Ok for one to get over half his/her protein from milk/eggs/peanut butter and the rest from meat and two whey powder shakes?

[thewun]

what did I do wrong? Why no answers? opinions?

[jimmyinkedup]

I have read all the info on this board and probably the entire internet on Real Food vs. Shakes or Powders. I guess I would agree that real food has many more benefits and the only real benefit of a shake is convenience. I have a little different question than has been asked on this board (and several others, and all over the internet and in every gym) over and over again. Actually I have three questions the other two are related but not as in depth or as frequently discussed. These questions are in relation to bulking a bulking cycle only.

1) If a shake is made from all real food products and has all the correct macro's that one needs for that meal, is it any different from eating actual food? For example a shake that includes; milk, egg whites (pasteurized), natural peanut butter, flax oil, raw oats (powdered in a food processor) fruit(raw). No protein powder except pwo and maybe one other during the day.

2) Would it be OK to get 60 percent, or more, of ones calories from these shakes per day.

3) Is it Ok for one to get over half his/her protein from milk/eggs/peanut butter and the rest from meat and two whey powder shakes?

1- only diff as far as i can tell is lack of thermogenic effect of digestion process - nutritionally should be the same

2- id say it would be ok to get some calories from shakes like this - but i personally wouldnt let it be the majority of calories. Thats just me.

3- id say those protein sources are fine - id try to limit myself to 1 protein shake per day - not 2 ....... agian thats just me.

[Narkissos]

I'll append.

1- only diff as far as i can tell is lack of thermogenic effect of digestion process - nutritionally should be the same

Additionally: less satiety... faster gastric clearance.

2- id say it would be ok to get some calories from shakes like this - but i personally wouldnt let it be the majority of calories. Thats just me.

If you can assimilate said calories without gastric irritation... it would be 'ok'.

3- id say those protein sources are fine - id try to limit myself to 1 protein shake per day - not 2 ....... agian thats just me.

I see no fiber listed... Additionally, overdependence on a limited number of food sources can lead to allergies.

So personally, I wouldn't depend on just those.

-CNS

[jimmyinkedup]

I'll append.



Additionally: less satiety... faster gastric clearance.

true...

If you can assimilate said calories without gastric irritation... it would be 'ok'.

also true - but id personally wouldnt take in 60% of my cals that way (as i said -thats just me)

I see no fiber listed... Additionally, overdependence on a limited number of food sources can lead to allergies.


So personally, I wouldn't depend on just those.

-CNS

Fiber isnt a norm with respect to protein sources. He does have peanut butter that has decent fiber in it ...but this statement confuses me as he was referring to protein. Also eggs / milk / peanut butter / meat / whey - thats not exactly depending on say 1 or 2 sources??? I mean yeah be nice to see some fish or chicken thrown in - but i know plenty that rely solely on egg protein and chicken. Not sure im with ya on this point Nark.....

[kalspic]

personally i dont think i could stomach a steak or chicken shake

[ottomaddox]

If it was in a soup base, it could be good.

personally i dont think i could stomach a steak or chicken shake

[Narkissos]

Fiber isnt a norm with respect to protein sources. He does have peanut butter that has decent fiber in it ...but this statement confuses me as he was referring to protein.

Refer to his first statement:

1) If a shake is made from all real food products and has all the correct macro's that one needs for that meal, is it any different from eating actual food? For example a shake that includes; milk, egg whites (pasteurized), natural peanut butter, flax oil, raw oats (powdered in a food processor) fruit(raw). No protein powder except pwo and maybe one other during the day.

^^Clearly he didn't just ask about protein.

To continue... If he's planning on taking in 60% of his calories from shakes, even with the above composition, he's not going to get enough fiber... unless he's taking in an aggregate of a couple cups of oats over the course of the day.

Also eggs / milk / peanut butter / meat / whey - thats not exactly depending on say 1 or 2 sources??? I mean yeah be nice to see some fish or chicken thrown in - but i know plenty that rely solely on egg protein and chicken. Not sure im with ya on this point Nark.....

Milk, peanut butter, whey ---> 3 potential allergens
Meat, eggs --> primary protein sources

To re-iterate: I would suggest some variety.

-CNS

[jimmyinkedup]

Refer to his first statement:



^^Clearly he didn't just ask about protein.

To continue... If he's planning on taking in 60% of his calories from shakes, even with the above composition, he's not going to get enough fiber... unless he's taking in an aggregate of a couple cups of oats over the course of the day.


Oats peanut butter and fruit - sounds like fiber to me..... I respect your knowledge - we just dont agree on this point - esp without know the compostion of his solid meals - not a statement that can be made IMO(not enough fiber)

Milk, peanut butter, whey ---> 3 potential allergens
Meat, eggs --> primary protein sources

To re-iterate: I would suggest some variety.

ok??? - but i hardly see that as a major concern? Certainly he doesnt have those allergies now and although there is a SLIGHT chance one may develop - it is VERY slight at that....i dunno wouldnt hurt to throw in chicken or fish but i hardly see that as a mjor sticking point in this diet.
-CNS

Again - I respect your knowledge Nark - I just disagree as i outlined above.....

[Narkissos]

^^You gave suggestions and input, and I did the same.

It doesn't need to be congruent.

-CNS

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ agreed..... always like to hear your input.....esp on diet .....