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05-29-2012, 01:18 PM #81Supplement companies, not to mention all the 'broscience' parrots all over the internet will tell you that you MUST have your PWO nutrition exactly 59.122338 minutes after your workout or the magical 'window of opportunity' will suddenly close. It's a fact that muscle cells are more sensitive PWO, protein synthesis is increased, rate of nutrient uptake is increased, etc - but the fact is this does not decline after an hour, or two or three for that matter. In fact to the contrary, there are studies which indicate these physiological changes are more efficient several hours PWO, and start to decline many many hours later.
Fasting 3-4 hours PWO will only maximize the fat burning effects of your workout and PWO cardio.
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05-29-2012, 01:18 PM #82
damn double post..
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05-29-2012, 01:39 PM #83
Big ass lunch/fast breaker today:
8oz grilled rosemary-balsamic chicken breast
romaine lettuce
cucumbers
craisins
artichoke hearts
red onion
pomegranite vingiarette
1 scoop myofusion
1 scoop ON casein
1/2 cup oats
60g beef jerky
20 more minutes, i'll be having 7oz 95/5 lean ground beef, 1oz low-fat mozarella cheese, 1/4 cup tomato sauce, and 30g protein shake (whey/casein blend)
Tonight - 6 slices lean canadian bacon, 2 whole eggs, 3/4 cup whites. mmm mmm good!!!
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05-29-2012, 01:45 PM #84Junior Member
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05-29-2012, 04:48 PM #85Originally Posted by gbrice75
I absolutely love it, peogress combined with IF is better than ever. Seems ive found my perfect eating and training combination after 6 Long years :-)
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05-30-2012, 05:46 AM #86Junior Member
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Looked up HST gb.
One question not sure if I over looked it. The prescribed sets are given per body part per week.
Example-chest is 9 total sets.
I assume this is only working sets?
Also what did you think of the GBC circuit I done yesterday?
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05-30-2012, 07:51 AM #87
Awesome bro... this is about the best thing that can happen for us in this game. I don't recover overly fast (or particularly slowly for that matter, i'm about average), so this probably wouldn't be for me.
This will sound vain, but I don't care that much about strength... i.e. i'm in this 90% for the look. How have you found this program to benefit you in terms of hypertrophy?
There are many modified versions of the original HST type training. IMO, 9 sets is too much. I'd go with 4 working sets - likely a main press movement and a supplemental fly type movement. People do tend to add additional work - the biggest example is with legs. I'd stick with a squat and curl type day, but people always add extensions, etc. Not necessary IMO, but to each his own.
Re your GBC - looked pretty brutal. I don't know that i'd do a full tricep circuit; i'd keep my circuits revolved around major muscle groups... i.e. I know my tri's would get plenty of work from a chest circuit. My chest/delt circuit consisted of:
Push Ups
Floor Press
Fly
x5
Clean & Press
Lateral Raise
Upright Row
x5
That's just me though, you do whatever you feel is working best for you.
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05-30-2012, 07:58 AM #88
Hour 15 of fast.
Taking this week off too GB.
Too much to do and not enough time.
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05-30-2012, 08:04 AM #89
Nice bro... i'm in hour 15 myself. We gonna kill it together next week? I'm SO fvcking pumped to start this workout routine + IF... I have to withhold judgement until I run it for a while obviously, but my gut instinct tells me it's a match made in heaven.
I need your personal opinion though... do I go for straight fat loss, or a recomp. I will reluctantly text you a pic of my fat tits and ass if you need to see to make a call... but i'm not posting shit on this board atm lol!
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05-30-2012, 08:31 AM #90
Oh we gonna kill it alright. And we'll have the same schedule.. I already hit the gym M-W-F and do cardio on T and Th.
As for what to do... go for fat loss now.
Slim down some and see where youre at muscle wise. Then you can focus on recomp if its needed.
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05-30-2012, 09:07 AM #91
Seems we got a nice Little IF Gang right here
GB, I'm doin it 90% for the looks also! I just wanna be aesthetic, if thats vain to some i dont give a sh!t.
I just found for myself that no further progress was made until I turned it up in terms of weights. I am 100% sure that you can only grow until a certain point using moderate weights...at least for me. I used to kill it with every intensity technique Out there but didnt improve. Now, with more Sessions, less lifts, but more Overall load I'm getting bigger again :-)
In terms of hypertrophy this style of Training got me over my 90-94kg Plateau last year, Ive made it up to 106kg, but that was far from aesthetic to be honest, i was just massive now im shredding and my Training helps to keep muscle. But when i was also eating big i was growing like a motherer!
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05-30-2012, 09:15 AM #92
^^ kinda what I was thinking... but u know me... I alwasy need a 'second set of eyes'.
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05-30-2012, 09:16 AM #93
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Yeah I must say triceps are sore today but not the type that feels good. I may do one exercise 3 sets of triceps and biceps and leave it at that.
Thanks for the input gb.
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05-30-2012, 02:32 PM #95Junior Member
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GB quick question? With kickboxing 3 days per week I can't commit to GBC programme. Can HST be done 2 times per week and still make good gains be it fat loss/muscle gain?
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05-30-2012, 02:53 PM #96
Can't say as I've never tried. I can tell you it's designed to be a high frequency type routine, and I wouldn't call 2 times per week high frequency... so perhaps there's a program better suited for your schedule?
Are you saying you can literally only weight train 2x a week?
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05-30-2012, 03:01 PM #97Junior Member
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Originally Posted by gbrice75
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05-31-2012, 11:28 AM #98
Just finished 2 scoops of protein powder, 1/2 cup oats, and a big ass salad:
romaine
red onion
artichoke hearts
cherry peppers
cucumber
tuna (45g protein)
drizzle of italian dressing
Then 2oz of beef jerky. Stuffed!!
Enjoying my last 4 days off from the gym and mentally preparing to kill it next week. Really looking forward to running IF in conjunction with this HST routine.
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05-31-2012, 11:45 AM #99
i did some reading about hst and it sounds like itd be pretty good almost seems like itd be less work in a sense only doing 1-2 sets per bodypart.. i enjoy total body as well..
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05-31-2012, 12:50 PM #100
Definitely less work per session... basically the opposite of high volume style training. Remember though that since volume is low, intensity MUST be high or you won't get maximum benefit from 1-2 sets. I would say this style of training isn't for people who have yet to figure out what it is to lift with intensity and give it their all.
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05-31-2012, 12:58 PM #101
how are your workouts going to look? i see that you are switching it up, how will your M-W-F workouts look, meaning exercise wise? i will google it for further reading just curious as to how you are setting yours up
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05-31-2012, 01:33 PM #102
I'll be doing total body workouts, 1-2 sets per body part, 3x a week. Lots of incrementing warm up sets, 1-2 work sets. It'll follow a basic muscle group pattern with interchangeable exercises as follows:
Legs - Squat, front squat, leg press, deadlift, weighted hyperextensions, leg curl, calf press
Chest - push ups, flat, incline, decline presses and flys
Back - Weighted pull ups, lat pull down, row variations
Delts - variations of overhead press (barbell, dumbbell, machine, etc), clean and press, hang cleans, etc
Tri's - dips/bench dips, close grip push ups, close grip bench, pressdown
Bi's - variations of curls, chin ups,
Basically 1 major exercise and one ancillary for larger groups, and a single exercise for smaller groups
I'm not going to be doing the 15/10/5 rep scheme that's typical of HST, but a variation of it. I may switch it up to a more standard HST routine down the road, depending on how things go.
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05-31-2012, 02:04 PM #103
sounds good to me, especially after this rest you are giving your body.
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05-31-2012, 02:21 PM #104
^^ definitely. Looking forward to it!
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starting my plan tomorrow and had to pop by for a but of lite? lol reading
soooooo glad to see your still doing this GB and I appreciate all the updates!
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06-01-2012, 07:52 AM #106
^^ thx for checking in!! What does your plan entail? Will you be starting a new thread, or adding on to your existing (already epic) one?!?
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06-01-2012, 07:58 AM #107
Well, today is my last (week)day of getting to sleep in, seeing my wife and son in the morning, etc. It's been nice, but it's time to focus and get this plan underway. I am not even close to the shape I had planned to be in by now for the summer. It had a lot to do with the personal struggles I went through towards the end of last year and throughout the beginning of this year, but the worst seems to be behind me and I'm a better man for it all.
I am feeling well rested, my joints feel better (but not great), but more than anything I am mentally rested and prepared to get it on come Monday morning. Nothing like starting off a Monday after a weeklong break with fvcking heavy squats!!!
2 more hours and I get to eat... yum.
8oz grilled marinated chicken breast
red onion
cucumber
artichoke hearts
cherry peppers
romaine/carrots
italian dressing
2 scoops protein shake, 1/2 cup oats
1 cup fage greek yogurt (fat free), strawberries + blueberries w/ splenda. WIN!!!
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06-01-2012, 10:16 AM #108
Sounds like some good rest GB, I'm looking forward to see how your training goes come Monday.
Are you incorporating a 24hour fast day as mentioned earlier in your thread? Also will your Sat/Sun meals be including more carbs i.e. 50% of cals from carbs on weekends? I know in the beginning of this thread you mentioned you would be doing a carb cycling type of combination with your IF.
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06-01-2012, 10:36 AM #109
Still considering the 24 hour fast... here's the truth: I'm not going to be as anal as I was last year... it wound up causing a lot of problems for me and my family. As such, I don't expect i'll be as lean as I was in my avy... I accept that. With that in mind, I will not be fasting at all on Saturdays... call it a cheat day if you want... I don't plan to go nuts but I am not really going to worry either. If I eat a burger, I eat it. If I don't, great. I would LIKE to fast all of Sunday until Monday 12pm (so it'd be more like a 36 hour fast actually) to help offset this 'cheat day'. I also think it'll help prime me for Monday's workout and subsequent fast breaker later that day. The issue is... can I make it 36 hours? More specifically, can I make it through Sunday (another weekend day where i'm home, leisure time, with friends, etc) without eating? That remains to be seen, but I am going to try.
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06-01-2012, 10:47 AM #110
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06-01-2012, 11:19 AM #112
I'm really looking forward to this too, it's something I'm looking at doing when my business is up and running and I'll likely have to lift at 7am.
Now, obviously, your 'supplement' regime is different to your last cut and I know you mentioned ECA, but is clen not a better option or is it something that doesn't agree with you?NO SOURCES GIVEN
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06-01-2012, 01:07 PM #113
Tbh, I don't know if i'm going to be using anything at all. I am trying to stay very clean in terms of supplements/stims, etc. If anything, i'd probably stick with ECA - it's cheaper and legal. Other than that though, I really want to focus on training and diet. If/when I get close back to where I want to be, I may introduce ECA to help past that hurdle, but at the moment will power is all I need.... and let me tell you it's very weak these days. My point is I don't want to use anything as a crutch until I can get myself straightened out; at that point, i'll reconsider.
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06-01-2012, 02:22 PM #115"Decide you want it ƸӜƷ more than your afraid of it"Recognized Member Winner - $100
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I’m doing a CR with IF 24hour on 2x week rotation and 1x week carb load with cal moderate. I’m reshaping my body and with that the weight will drop, my previous plan really made a massive measurement wise difference on me and I felt great and felt great about myself (most important)
not planning on starting new thread or adding to my old one, I’m on a different site for that (that’s more lady friendly lol and weight loss focused)
Tigers getting prepped for deployment. Gone 2 weeks starting tomorrow than in a few months gone for 2 months than around Feb gone for like 18 months ~ sooo I cannot worry about making dinner to fit his needs my needs the kids or worry about him having the car at work when I want to use gym lol so things well be ideal for me to focus on myself (not that I won’t miss the h3ll out of him or be an emotional wreck at times).
pretty much same as before...but can’t start training till I’m healed from yesterday’s surgery (about a week)
STRETCHES @ 6:00 AM
6:30 AM MEAL 1 -
Protein blend 12 almonds (27 P/ 2 F/ 150 CAL/ 3 C/ 1 SUG)
*my blend is ½ Premier protein choc shake with about 1/2 scoop Creatien choc powder*
I toss it all in the blender and it’s like drinking rocky road ice cream
10:15 AM MEAL 2 -
Protein shake (30 P/ 2 F/ 150 CAL/ 3 C/ 1 SUG)
12:30 MEAL 3 -
Celery Radish Cucumber with homemade spicy bean dip OR hardboiled egg whites (27 P/ 2 F/ 150 CAL/ 3 C/ 1 SUG)
3:30 MEAL 4 -
Protein shake (30 P/ 2 F/ 150 CAL/ 3 C/ 1 SUG)
2 fish oil, fiber tabs, amino pills
TRAIN@5:00 PM
* till failure every machine (usually 3 of 15)
Upper body on Mondays starting with 10min Cardio (HITT)
IF on Tuesdays with P90X dvd
Lower bod on Wednesdays starting with10min Cardio
IF on Thursdays with P90X dvd
Booty-lish-ious routine listed below Fridays
PLANK: 30sec / each SIDE PLANK: 20sec and Full Stretching Routine
6:30 PM MEAL 5- (as soon as I get home from gym)
*must include lots veggie/ fiber/ protein / low carb fruit like tomatoes zucchini etc.
A homemade soup Bean or Lentil or Pea or Chicken very heavy on veggies (almost always to include 15 types of beans&peas&lentals/pepper/onion/celery/carrot/zuchini/eggplant/garlic/tomato/water/ sausage or chicken or beef) Or a plate of fish with hard cheese slices and veggie’s
(average: 24 P/ 2 F/ 215 CAL/ 30 C/ 2 SUG)
extra stretches in hip stacked positions (standing)
BED 11:00 Pm
Mental Notes
[•] 24 hour IF 2x week
[•] Water Intake 74fl daily
[•] Cheat day is Fri or Sat
Cheat day under 1200 cal (so if I want taco bell ice-cream chips or whatever, I just have small amounts of everything rather than eating the whole serving)
AB Leg lifts~ strait leg: 5, 2 sets/ bent side 2 side lifts 10, 3 sets
Triceps Press 90lbs 10, 4 set
Bicep Curl 30lbs, 5 set
Shoulder Press 10lbs 10, 6 set
Rear Delt Row 50lbs 10, 6 set
Back Extension 110lbs 15, 3 set
Chest Press 10lbs 15, 5 set
Pull Down 70lbs 10, 5 set
Fly 30lbs 15, 4 set
about 1.5 hour = Upper body Day MONDAYS
Calf Extension 70lbs 10, 6sets
Seated Leg Curl 75lbs 10, 7sets
Leg Extraction 75lbs 10, 5 sets
Seated Leg Press 110lbs 10 5 sets *my focus and butt builder: toes up so high on bar that they hangover and only heel is used to push. do 1 set feet parallel (l l) than another full set with feet forming a V (\ /) than another full set feet forming (/ \ ) each foot position works diff small muscles
Inner Hip Abduction 150lbs 15, 5 sets
Outer Hip Abduction 180lbs 15, 9 reps
1.5 hour = Lower body Day WEDNESDAYS
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06-03-2012, 12:35 PM #116
GB, did you survive the weekend?
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06-04-2012, 08:31 AM #117
@Sexy4 - SICK!!! And detailed as usuall...
Pretty much. But i'm sitting here annoyed right now because these pants feel awfully fvcking tight!!!
Felt pretty good in the gym this morning. Well rested, no joint pain, etc. Didn't feel as good as I had hoped/expected, but still went through my lifts pretty nicely. Looking forward to just getting back into the routine after the rest. Fast breaks at 12pm today, menu will be:
12pm - 1 scoop ON casein + 1 scoop Myofusion + 3/4 cup oats
9oz of my homemade low carb meatloaf (yum!!)
8oz fat free greek yogurt w/ splenda, blueberries, strawberries, and oats (just a sprinkle of oats)
3:30pm - Big ass salad:
large can of tuna
romaine
cherry peppers
cucumber
red onion
artichoke hearts
few crumbles of blue cheese
sprinkle of pecans
few apple slices
2oz beef jerky
7pm - 2 whole eggs
3 slices lean canadian bacon
light english muffin
protein shake OR cottage cheese
PS - I know I used the words 'few' and 'sprinkle' quite a bit - but I have everything measured out and accounted for, just didn't feel like typing all the macros and weights, etc. C'mon, you know me better than that!
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06-04-2012, 09:06 AM #118
man, i like your meals, especially the last one. i need to stop being a lazy ass and prepare my meals. glad to see that the devil didn't get ya over the weekend.
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06-04-2012, 09:52 AM #119
and post a recipe of this low-carb meatloaf!
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06-04-2012, 10:03 AM #120
It's pretty basic and you can definitely mess with it to your liking:
sautee 1 diced onion and 2 garlic cloves in PAM (or any non-stock cooking spray). Preheat oven to 350 degress. In the meantime, combine:
2lbs 95/5 lean ground beef (you can use lean ground turkey or pork, or a combo of any of the 3)
2 whole eggs, lighly beaten
1/4 cup fat free sour cream
1/4 cup low carb ketchup and/or barbeque sauce (optional)
Add the sauteed veggies once cooled
Few 'dashes' of Worcestershire sauce (I use more than a few)
salt and pepper to taste
Oregano to taste
Basil to taste
Feel free to add any other spices/seasonings you like - cayenne pepper, red pepper flakes, parsley, etc
Mix everything together thoroughly. You should have a very 'wet' meatloaf. Add 1 cup of quick oats (the small ground up oats) as a binder instead of breadcrumbs. Incorporate into mixture.
Get a meatloaf pan (I forget the size at the moment) and press mixture into pan to form a loaf. Cover with foil and bake at 350 degress for 45 minutes. Turn oven up to 425 degress, remove foil and bake another 30 minutes to brown the outside.
Remove loaf from pan while hot. At this point, you can top it with whatever you like - ketchup, gravy, tomato sauce, etc. Enjoy!
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