How many Carbs PWO?

[Live for the PUMP]

Seems to be a pattern. Oh well what do you do.

I myself have my most carbs pre and post.

I 100% agree and eat most my carbs pre/post workout too. You've done BB comps and kid won't even listen to your constructive criticism. Just foolish.

[AXx]

I eat mine the same. Breakfast, pre and post.

[Live for the PUMP]

Ya, actually I take that back. Breakfast I eat as many carbs as pre-post. Sometimes I can't sleep I am so hungry. MMMM breakfast carbs. How could i forget Breakfast...

[AXx]

Ya, actually I take that back. Breakfast I eat as many carbs as pre-post. Sometimes I can't sleep I am so hungry. MMMM breakfast carbs. How could i forget Breakfast...

I thought i might joggle your memory!

[Capebuffalo]

Now that you mention it. Breakfast is a lot. I'm eating a lot of carbs trying to get to 225lb

[--->>405<<---]

I was facing forward in the last one. You telling me you don't like my ugly mug? Lol

I knew there was some kind of major improvement i just couldnt put my finger on it! LOL

[Capebuffalo]

I knew there was some kind of major improvement i just couldnt put my finger on it! LOL

Thanks 405. I appreciate you noticing. Ha ha

[951thompson]

Ya, actually I take that back. Breakfast I eat as many carbs as pre-post. Sometimes I can't sleep I am so hungry. MMMM breakfast carbs. How could i forget Breakfast...

Here is the studies and info of what I explained to you
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...unked.html?m=1

[Live for the PUMP]

Here is the studies and info of what I explained to you
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...unked.html?m=1

You can't just throw some article at me after I called you out on your BS nutrition and training theories. Whatever article you throw out isn't going to make what you said correct. Sorry you are just wrong as I pointed out to you in your first post. That article you posted is garbage. No references or known author. Just some internet kid that typed it up and had some other stick figure internet geeks applaud it. Don't buy it. Just accept the fact you were wrong, learn from it, and move the F*CK on. Seriously quit trying to get the last word with some pathetic cop out.

[951thompson]

You can't just throw some article at me after I called you out on your BS nutrition and training theories. Whatever article you throw out isn't going to make what you said correct. Sorry you are just wrong as I pointed out to you in your first post. That article you posted is garbage. No references or known author. Just some internet kid that typed it up and had some other stick figure internet geeks applaud it. Don't buy it. Just accept the fact you were wrong, learn from it, and move the F*CK on. Seriously quit trying to get the last word with some pathetic cop out.

The author is Martin the creator of leangains (very respected in the word of nutrition) everything he says in the article is backed up by studies which he gives you links to.

You cant say it rubbish, unless you can come up with some studies or evidence that persuades me otherwise?

Maybe someone isnt as educaTed as they thought!

You continue to believe in broscience, I've gave studies to look at, what's your reply, " it's rubbish" why because I say so. That doesn't cut the mustard my friend!

[Capebuffalo]

You can't just throw some article at me after I called you out on your BS nutrition and training theories. Whatever article you throw out isn't going to make what you said correct. Sorry you are just wrong as I pointed out to you in your first post. That article you posted is garbage. No references or known author. Just some internet kid that typed it up and had some other stick figure internet geeks applaud it. Don't buy it. Just accept the fact you were wrong, learn from it, and move the F*CK on. Seriously quit trying to get the last word with some pathetic cop out.

951thompson have to have the last word? Your kidding right? What ever would make you say that? Oh yes . Previous history. Let me wait for my Stalking comment.

[Live for the PUMP]

The author is Martin the creator of leangains (very respected in the word of nutrition) everything he says in the article is backed up by studies which he gives you links to.

You cant say it rubbish, unless you can come up with some studies or evidence that persuades me otherwise?

Maybe someone isnt as educaTed as they thought!

You continue to believe in broscience, I've gave studies to look at, what's your reply, " it's rubbish" why because I say so. That doesn't cut the mustard my friend!

You didn't give me a study. haha! You gave me some junk article with no evidence. I am not going to search for some article for you. I have books with world wide renown publishers and authors. That is my resource, not some stupid article. Give it up, you are not winning here.

[951thompson]

951thompson have to have the last word? Your kidding right? What ever would make you say that? Oh yes . Previous history. Let me wait for my Stalking comment.

Not having the last word, just giving you two so called "educated" bodybuilders a nutrition lesson.

[951thompson]

You didn't give me a study. haha! You gave me some junk article with no evidence. I am not going to search for some article for you. I have books with world wide renown publishers and authors. That is my resource, not some stupid article. Give it up, you are not winning here.

Yeah I know I will never get though to you, you stick to your bro science. Some of the forums most respected members have also said out loud there is no such thing as a one hour window ( in the PWO window thread) are they talking rubbish also? Ok! We will end this discussion here.

[Live for the PUMP]

Not having the last word, just giving you two so called "educated" bodybuilders a nutrition lesson.

Wow. So the guy in your picture AVI is you? Please oh please give me your nutrition secrets. NOT! The day I want to look skinny fat I will come to you first. I think whatever advise I see you give in the future I will just do the opposite.

[austinite]

dang. What happened here? This started out as a good thread with a good question. ugh.

[951thompson]

Wow. So the guy in your picture AVI is you? Please oh please give me your nutrition secrets. NOT! The day I want to look skinny fat I will come to you first. I think whatever advise I see you give in the future I will just do the opposite.

Ok whos the immature one around here resorting to name calling.

You see unlike you I don't get my nutrition advice from any tom rick and harry. I get my advice from professionals and also people I respect.

I use my common sense when it comes to these things!

Now who should I believe martin a well respected nutritionist or you, some loud mouth who thinks he knows it all on the internet? Let me think.

Tell you what your educated in BROSCIENCE! (I give you an A+)

[Live for the PUMP]

Ok whos the immature one around here resorting to name calling.

You see unlike you I don't get my nutrition advice from any tom rick and harry. I get my advice from professionals and also people I respect.

I use my common sense when it comes to these things!

Now who should I believe martin a well respected nutritionist or you, some loud mouth who thinks he knows it all on the internet? Let me think.

Tell you what your educated in BROSCIENCE! (I give you an A+)

Getting knowledge from books is not Bro-science. Bro-science is getting all your knowledge from your lifting buddies. Here again you are wrong, just give it up. Save your strength for another battle. The ship has sunk.

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u guys are still going at it i see..

[951thompson]

Getting knowledge from books is not Bro-science. Bro-science is getting all your knowledge from your lifting buddies. Here again you are wrong, just give it up. Save your strength for another battle. The ship has sunk.

I will say no more, I will show you mercy, wow you have took a beating!

You keep preaching broscience, it's people like you that make it live on!

Anyways im done with you, you can't even put a decent argument up, beside saying you fat, you no it's over when that's all you have left.

Until we meet again

[Live for the PUMP]

I will say no more, I will show you mercy, wow you have took a beating!

You keep preaching broscience, it's people like you that make it live on!

Anyways im done with you, you can't even put a decent argument up, beside saying you fat, you no it's over when that's all you have left.

Until we meet again

I took a beating?! Did you sprinkle a little crack in your cheerios this morning? Does it make sense that a guy that looks like you be giving advice to me, former BB competitors, or anyone for that matter... If it does I want to invite you to take a look at this link. I think you will find it helpful. Best of luck.
http://www.crackcocainerecovery.com/...top_crack.html

[Swifto]

Both stop it and grow up otherwise the thread gets locked.

You've both been warned.

Move on.

[LiveFitBeFit]

^^ Thank you swifto

[Bonaparte]

If it makes any difference by this point, 951 was completely wrong. Live for the PUMP is correct.
There. Now you can both start acting like adults.

Your body will readily catabolize muscle and synthesize the protein into glucose (gluconeogenesis) once glycogen stores are depleted through vigorous exercise, which doesn't take all that long, especially if doing cardio. But anabolic steroids will encourage the body to catabolize adipose fat (triglycerides) to restore glycogen stores, rather than muscle.
I'm no nutritionist, but this is pretty basic stuff (and it's in my A&P textbook, so certainly not bro-science ).
I'm pretty sure I would be half dead if I waited 48 hours after a workout before eating.

[baseline_9]

If it makes any difference by this point, 951 was completely wrong. Live for the PUMP is correct.
There. Now you can both start acting like adults.

Your body will readily catabolize muscle and synthesize the protein into carbohydrates once glycogen stores are depleted through vigorous exercise, which doesn't take all that long, especially if doing cardio. But anabolic steroids will encourage the body to catabolize adipose fat to restore glycogen stores, rather than muscle.
I'm no nutritionist, but this is pretty basic stuff.
I'm pretty sure I would be half dead if I waited 48 hours after a workout before eating.

WTF are you doing in the diet section.....

Get back to the lab

[Live for the PUMP]

If it makes any difference by this point, 951 was completely wrong. Live for the PUMP is correct.
There. Now you can both start acting like adults.

Your body will readily catabolize muscle and synthesize the protein into glucose (gluconeogenesis) once glycogen stores are depleted through vigorous exercise, which doesn't take all that long, especially if doing cardio. But anabolic steroids will encourage the body to catabolize adipose fat (triglycerides) to restore glycogen stores, rather than muscle.
I'm no nutritionist, but this is pretty basic stuff (and it's in my A&P textbook, so certainly not bro-science ).
I'm pretty sure I would be half dead if I waited 48 hours after a workout before eating.

Thank you kind sir. Nice to get a little backup.

[Capebuffalo]

Thank you kind sir. Nice to get a little backup.

Hey now. Lol

[Live for the PUMP]

Hey now. Lol

Awww. Thank you as well Brotha.

[Times Roman]

Ok whos the immature one around here resorting to name calling.

You see unlike you I don't get my nutrition advice from any tom rick and harry. I get my advice from professionals and also people I respect.

I use my common sense when it comes to these things!

Now who should I believe martin a well respected nutritionist or you, some loud mouth who thinks he knows it all on the internet? Let me think.

Tell you what your educated in BROSCIENCE! (I give you an A+)

Getting knowledge from books is not Bro-science. Bro-science is getting all your knowledge from your lifting buddies. Here again you are wrong, just give it up. Save your strength for another battle. The ship has sunk.

Mates,

Give it a rest, will ya?

My head hurts right now, and I don't have the energy to figure out who's right and who's wrong.

We've had enough turmoil on the board lately.

Live and let live

Thanks

---Roman

[mockery]

in b4 404


this could into a 100 page thread and still not cover everything there is to know about PWO nutrition.

[*Admin*]

I hate giving out suspensions but I am ready to make a mark if things do not calm down around here...

[RaginCajun]

I hate giving out suspensions but I am ready to make a mark if things do not calm down around here...

Like a skid mark?

[that guy1234]

Here is the studies and info of what I explained to you
www eangains com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked

This is directly from that post. This guy must be a genius at lean muscle growth. What better time to allow your body to be catabolic? The author of that blog is an IDIOT!!! You should forget that guys website and throw any publication you have that he wrote in the trash.

7. Myth: Skipping breakfast is bad and will make you fat.


A new study on breakfast and health came out a few weeks ago. It brings nothing new to the table; the conclusions drawn are similar to that of older studies that found correlations between body weight and breakfast skipping.

However, since it’s such a beautiful example of everything that is wrong with epidemiology, I will devote a separate post to it, instead of dissecting it in this article, which is long enough as it is. I will have a detailed analysis up soon. Not because I believe that I need to make my point any clearer, but because it will be a lesson in critical thinking.

[Far from massive]

There also appears to be a two-hour optimal window immediately after the cessation of exercise for the administration of carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates appear to be the preferred replacement during this replenishment period.

Normally, 2% of glycogen is resynthesized per hour after the initial 2 hours immediately after exercise. With administration of 50 grams of carbohydrate every 2 hours, the rate rose to 5% per hour, but did not rise when additional carbohydrate was administered. Administration of .7grams per kg body weight every two hours is another strategy that appears to maximize the rate of glycogen resynthesis. There is also some evidence that even smaller loads (28 grams every 15 minutes) may induce even greater repletion rates.

Cape thanks for this study, very interesting. Kinda supports what I have been doing which is making my big ass PWO shake 80/160/10 p/c/creatine but drinking it slowly some at the gym and some on the ride home. I have tried numerous techniques and this felt the best (subjective of course).

PS As to the comment about the statement appearing "gay" we have a couple of members on this site who might take offense to this kind of childish talk!

PS to our gay members, much love brotha's, not my thing but, I got your back...er I mean... I support your choice of lifestyles.

FFM

[951thompson]

If it makes any difference by this point, 951 was completely wrong. Live for the PUMP is correct.
There. Now you can both start acting like adults.

Your body will readily catabolize muscle and synthesize the protein into glucose (gluconeogenesis) once glycogen stores are depleted through vigorous exercise, which doesn't take all that long, especially if doing cardio. But anabolic steroids will encourage the body to catabolize adipose fat (triglycerides) to restore glycogen stores, rather than muscle.
I'm no nutritionist, but this is pretty basic stuff (and it's in my A&P textbook, so certainly not bro-science ).
I'm pretty sure I would be half dead if I waited 48 hours after a workout before eating.

I know everything im saying goes against everything you have been tought and its maybe hard to take in. I can tell you from personal experience I have fasted for 36 hours ( detox) I was totally fine. Humans can live for over four months without food. We are designed to survive things like famine. In the hunter gathering days humans would go days maybe sometimes weeks without making a kill, our bodies are designed to cope with this. Monks abscond from food for months on end and are fine. Now I know where not looking at this subject from a survival point of view.

So on the subject of post workout training. After training your muscles are depleted making you insulin sensitive, now what my argument here is that you don't have to spike your insulin within one hour of training because after one hour, nothing will of changed, your muscles/glycogen will still be depleted, therefore still insulin sensitive. Imo it does'nt matter when you spike your insulin so long as you spike it (within 2 or 3 hour)

Hey that's your opinion and that's cool. I know my theory is out of the box and against the grain. All I ask is people for to have a open mind. Many people who use leangains train fasted (fasted for 18 hours) now you can't argue with there results which are out there for all to look at.

[Capebuffalo]

Cape thanks for this study, very interesting. Kinda supports what I have been doing which is making my big ass PWO shake 80/160/10 p/c/creatine but drinking it slowly some at the gym and some on the ride home. I have tried numerous techniques and this felt the best (subjective of course).

PS As to the comment about the statement appearing "gay" we have a couple of members on this site who might take offense to this kind of childish talk!


PS to our gay members, much love brotha's, not my thing but, I got your back...er I mean... I support your choice of lifestyles.

FFM

To clear this up it was 951thompson that made the gay comment not me

Shov'la knows what I'm talking about. Lol

[Capebuffalo]

Hehe did it come across abit gay!

Not Cape.

[951thompson]

Not Cape.

I didn't mean it in a offensive way, it's just a way people around my way say for acting silly (slang) sorry if I caused offence to anyone, I have nothing against homosexuals.

[Bonaparte]

It takes 48 hours without food for your body to run out of glycogen, then your body turns cattobolic. It takes 48 hours for your body to turn cattobolic! So in a nutshell there is no one hour window.

It hate to dig up this shit-show, but I was studying an EMS textbook for a job test and came across this paragraph under "normal metabolism and glucose regulation":

"...the glucagon causes the liver to begin converting the glycogen back into glucose and releasing it into the bloodstream. Other, non-carbohydrate substances will also be converted into glucose. This will raised the BGL and maintain it in that normal range until that next meal. Glycogen stores in the liver can last for UP TO 24-48 hours. After that, there is typically no more glycogen left in the liver to be converted into glucose and the blood glucose may drop dramatically, while fats and proteins will begin to be used by the body cells at a HIGH RATE for energy."

What this means is that an individual of NORMAL SIZE with a 1,000-2,000 cal requirement (not us) can fast for UP TO 1-2 days in a sedentary manner before glucagon exhausts all his glycogen stores and he goes completely catabolic (starvation mode) to avoid hypoglycemia. This is obvious and is not at all what you stated.

We were talking about PWO, where your body just consumed that 1-2 days worth of glycogen stores in an hour or two and you are now in that highly catabolic state.

[951thompson]

It hate to dig up this shit-show, but I was studying an EMS textbook for a job test and came across this paragraph under "normal metabolism and glucose regulation":

"...the glucagon causes the liver to begin converting the glycogen back into glucose and releasing it into the bloodstream. Other, non-carbohydrate substances will also be converted into glucose. This will raised the BGL and maintain it in that normal range until that next meal. Glycogen stores in the liver can last for UP TO 24-48 hours. After that, there is typically no more glycogen left in the liver to be converted into glucose and the blood glucose may drop dramatically, while fats and proteins will begin to be used by the body cells at a HIGH RATE for energy."

What this means is that an individual of NORMAL SIZE with a 1,000-2,000 cal requirement (not us) can fast for UP TO 1-2 days in a sedentary manner before glucagon exhausts all his glycogen stores and he goes completely catabolic (starvation mode) to avoid hypoglycemia. This is obvious and is not at all what you stated.

We were talking about PWO, where your body just consumed that 1-2 days worth of glycogen stores in an hour or two and you are now in that highly catabolic state.

Once your body has run out of glycogen say after 40 hours, your body turns cattobolic temporary while changing over to ketotis. Your body will only be cattobolic for 12-24 hours,then when in ketotis your body will live off your stored fat reserves, your body while in ketotis can live off your stored bodyfat for over 4 months without food.

I disagree that after a workout your body is in a highly cattobolic state. Yes your glycogen is depleted, but cattobolic, no. Imo you can wait an hour or so to get your PWO meal, but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one lol