Protein before bed?

[mockery]

Spiked insulin levels do inhibit the release of growth hormone . But insulin is always present in some amount or another so it's incorrect to say that carbs or insulin blunt gh release. And the body isn't gonna not release gh at all because insulin levels are high, it will simply delay the release of gh until insulin levels are lowered. Our bodies are a little more resilient and adaptive then we sometimes give them credit for.

The issue here is more about stable blood sugar levels when going to sleep. NOt the cause and effect of insulin solely on its own.

[gbrice75]

Mock, what's the hang up with the 'colored names' thing? Does it apply to knowledgeable/productive member, or just staff... OR just 405 in particular? Just seems like you're always on about this... my curiosity is piqued.

[mockery]

The issue here is more about stable blood sugar levels when going to sleep. NOt the cause and effect of insulin solely on its own.

reading the forums every day u see random people. especially new members pretty much start giving advice or repeating something a colored name had said. even sometimes when what was said was sarcasm. Online human nature i guess? dont know

i have no issues with 405 or any staff member here, if i did i wouldn't log on any more.

[gbrice75]

reading the forums every day u see random people. especially new members pretty much start giving advice or repeating something a colored name had said. even sometimes when what was said was sarcasm. Online human nature i guess? dont know

i have no issues with 405 or any staff member here, if i did i wouldn't log on any more.

Ok man, if you say so. It all just seems very passive aggressive to me...

I agree with you to some extent - (all) forums have their share of parrots, and maybe staff are parroted more than regular members. That's not something we can help other than to be responsible with what advice we're giving. I keep that in mind every time I post, and as such, stand behind everything I say. I believe the rest of the staff try and do the same.

[--->>405<<---]

1 i wasnt having a go at 405, its true if a colored name posts something, anything people just believe it and rehash it as "true"
what works for 405 wont work for everyone,

most things (dare i say all) wont work for everyone... following ur logic if something isnt applicable to everyone, should we just not post it? furthermore eating cottage cheese and blueberries is not a bad thing. obviously it would depend on ur current goals at the time.. mine are maintenance..

while ur explanation, which i havent researched, may show u have done some reading, IMO it is representative of an attitude/mindset i am trying to stay away from: and this is over-thinking and over-complicating. while this may work for u, it is not conducive to a lifestyle i would like to lead. to me, simplicity and functionality trump accuracy to the "Nth" degree. im not a pro, have not the youth to even try to be a pro. im just a regular married dude who wants to look my best based on my own personal standards which extend further than just the aesthetic/physical, but also reach into the practical and functional.

[mockery]

i over think and over research things so that i can enjoy life, stay ripped year round and eat what every i like. Their is a means to an end for my search for perfection. And to me perfection is a a lot of little things done right. I dont want heart disease and i dont want to be a diabetic either. As i posted before its more then just appearance and strength.

The real over thinking lays with the people who feel the need to do the UD 2.o ( as an example ) when they are 15% + body fat. then they wonder why they cant get below 10% but program jump every 4 weeks.

the real over thinking is when people say they dont need their body fat tested because so and so said their lbm is this much exactly and they just need to multiple it by a magic number or use a online calculator and they are set , yet make multiple threads saying tell me what to eat.

The real over thinking is more people spend time on Google looking for the perfect diet and training program, then in the gym and the kitchen.

Over thinking will always be apart of this game. Same with people and their opinions and standing behind their opinions. This community has built up a lie with in itself that fake sugars are ok for you, sugar free this and sugar free that. To sleep better at night knowing you can consume all these American products that offer lifestyle choice to fit yours.

Alot of people will consume fake sugar, protein powder before they ever consider eating egg yokes. Do you really think god or evolution went wrong with the egg? i sure dont. Do you think a factory produced product could have gone wrong? i sure do.

Carb cycling has rhyme and reason behind why people do it.

same with fasting and the relation to longer fasts = more GH pulse being relased

So why would it be over thinking to say i shouldn't go to bed with unstable blood sugar levels. and perhaps i should let my digestive system turn off at night so i can rest/repair/recover and maximize growth and longevity of my health with out over thinking or forcing myself to fast for a set number of days or hours daily. It has a rhyme and reason no different then why people carb cycle.

[mr.slippyfist69]

Agree with mickey...cottage cheese before bed does me proper every night

[AlinSR]

Protein shake and almonds for me.

[Sgt. Hartman]

i over think and over research things so that i can enjoy life, stay ripped year round and eat what every i like. Their is a means to an end for my search for perfection. And to me perfection is a a lot of little things done right. I dont want heart disease and i dont want to be a diabetic either. As i posted before its more then just appearance and strength.

The real over thinking lays with the people who feel the need to do the UD 2.o ( as an example ) when they are 15% + body fat. then they wonder why they cant get below 10% but program jump every 4 weeks.

the real over thinking is when people say they dont need their body fat tested because so and so said their lbm is this much exactly and they just need to multiple it by a magic number or use a online calculator and they are set , yet make multiple threads saying tell me what to eat.

The real over thinking is more people spend time on Google looking for the perfect diet and training program, then in the gym and the kitchen.

Over thinking will always be apart of this game. Same with people and their opinions and standing behind their opinions. This community has built up a lie with in itself that fake sugars are ok for you, sugar free this and sugar free that. To sleep better at night knowing you can consume all these American products that offer lifestyle choice to fit yours.

Alot of people will consume fake sugar, protein powder before they ever consider eating egg yokes. Do you really think god or evolution went wrong with the egg? i sure dont. Do you think a factory produced product could have gone wrong? i sure do.

Carb cycling has rhyme and reason behind why people do it.

same with fasting and the relation to longer fasts = more GH pulse being relased

So why would it be over thinking to say i shouldn't go to bed with unstable blood sugar levels. and perhaps i should let my digestive system turn off at night so i can rest/repair/recover and maximize growth and longevity of my health with out over thinking or forcing myself to fast for a set number of days or hours daily. It has a rhyme and reason no different then why people carb cycle.

You feel better now after getting that out lol?

[mockery]

no i generally feel better when i have my morning poop

[mockery]

thanks to powered greens, i never have to wipe.

[crazy mike]

I don't eat greens...and I don't have a problem with my a$$ ....crazy mike

[--->>405<<---]

no i generally feel better when i have my morning poop

my poops are usually pretty good too. i eat about 16oz spinach daily.. and a lot of other fresh veggies.

i agree with u with the artificial sweeteners im just not there yet. maye i will cut them out in favor of real sugar. it has to be one or the other though. i like sweet stuff. if it kills me sooner so be it!

[oatmeal69]

Fat free cottage cheese is fast becoming my perfect food. I use it in my shakes, morning meals, etc. I'm thinking I may use it as my before bed snack too, instead of another shake.

[951thompson]

i over think and over research things so that i can enjoy life, stay ripped year round and eat what every i like. Their is a means to an end for my search for perfection. And to me perfection is a a lot of little things done right. I dont want heart disease and i dont want to be a diabetic either. As i posted before its more then just appearance and strength.

The real over thinking lays with the people who feel the need to do the UD 2.o ( as an example ) when they are 15% + body fat. then they wonder why they cant get below 10% but program jump every 4 weeks.

the real over thinking is when people say they dont need their body fat tested because so and so said their lbm is this much exactly and they just need to multiple it by a magic number or use a online calculator and they are set , yet make multiple threads saying tell me what to eat.

The real over thinking is more people spend time on Google looking for the perfect diet and training program, then in the gym and the kitchen.

Over thinking will always be apart of this game. Same with people and their opinions and standing behind their opinions. This community has built up a lie with in itself that fake sugars are ok for you, sugar free this and sugar free that. To sleep better at night knowing you can consume all these American products that offer lifestyle choice to fit yours.

Alot of people will consume fake sugar, protein powder before they ever consider eating egg yokes. Do you really think god or evolution went wrong with the egg? i sure dont. Do you think a factory produced product could have gone wrong? i sure do.

Carb cycling has rhyme and reason behind why people do it.

same with fasting and the relation to longer fasts = more GH pulse being relased

So why would it be over thinking to say i shouldn't go to bed with unstable blood sugar levels. and perhaps i should let my digestive system turn off at night so i can rest/repair/recover and maximize growth and longevity of my health with out over thinking or forcing myself to fast for a set number of days or hours daily. It has a rhyme and reason no different then why people carb cycle.

Guess that was a dig at me, (the UD 2.0 line) how is following the UD 2.0 over thinking? It's a diet and training regime set out by one of the world's best nutritionists. A person who knows more about this shit then you and I ever will.

Do you think you know better then Lyle McDonald?

If you don't like what I do, don't read my log (I've never been in yours btw)

[--->>405<<---]

^^judging by the content of his posts lately, mockery seems to think he knows better than everyone here.

lets keep this in proper perspective: im a 38yr old married guy who works at a port authority and likes to work out and eat well so i can look my best for heaven sakes. i am not a fitness model, not a body builder, not an athlete, never gonna be any of the above. does it really fvcking matter if my natural growth hormone pulse is 30minutes during sleep or 47?? how much fvcking difference is this really gonna make? and could the difference it does make not be offset by one single cycle of 500mg per week of test cyp??

and who is this gonna make a difference to? all my critics at work or the longshoreman paparazzi hiding between containers trying to get a snapshot of me while im verifying some numbers in the stack?

i like my fvcking cottage cheese with blueberries before bed dammit. i dont give a fvck about my growth hormone pulse length! all i care about is whether im fat or lean..

any of u guys who plan on getting on stage sometime here soon think twice about your cottage cheese before bed but as for me im fvcking eatn it!

[austinite]

I like cottage cheese before bed.

[951thompson]

^^judging by the content of his posts lately, mockery seems to think he knows better than everyone here.

lets keep this in proper perspective: im a 38yr old married guy who works at a port authority and likes to work out and eat well so i can look my best for heaven sakes. i am not a fitness model, not a body builder, not an athlete, never gonna be any of the above. does it really fvcking matter if my natural growth hormone pulse is 30minutes during sleep or 47?? how much fvcking difference is this really gonna make? and could the difference it does make not be offset by one single cycle of 500mg per week of test cyp??

and who is this gonna make a difference to? all my critics at work or the longshoreman paparazzi hiding between containers trying to get a snapshot of me while im verifying some numbers in the stack?

i like my fvcking cottage cheese with blueberries before bed dammit. i dont give a fvck about my growth hormone pulse length! all i care about is whether im fat or lean..

any of u guys who plan on getting on stage sometime here soon think twice about your cottage cheese before bed but as for me im fvcking eatn it!

Haha good post

[mockery]

Guess that was a dig at me, (the UD 2.0 line) how is following the UD 2.0 over thinking? It's a diet and training regime set out by one of the world's best nutritionists. A person who knows more about this shit then you and I ever will.

Do you think you know better then Lyle McDonald?

If you don't like what I do, don't read my log (I've never been in yours btw)

u sir are an idiot 2 fold

1.) i never mentioned your name.

2.) lyle says there are better ways to diet down to sub 10% bf before using UD2.0 (HIS WORDS)

give me a break

[mockery]

^^judging by the content of his posts lately, mockery seems to think he knows better than everyone here.

lets keep this in proper perspective: im a 38yr old married guy who works at a port authority and likes to work out and eat well so i can look my best for heaven sakes. i am not a fitness model, not a body builder, not an athlete, never gonna be any of the above. does it really fvcking matter if my natural growth hormone pulse is 30minutes during sleep or 47?? how much fvcking difference is this really gonna make? and could the difference it does make not be offset by one single cycle of 500mg per week of test cyp??

and who is this gonna make a difference to? all my critics at work or the longshoreman paparazzi hiding between containers trying to get a snapshot of me while im verifying some numbers in the stack?

i like my fvcking cottage cheese with blueberries before bed dammit. i dont give a fvck about my growth hormone pulse length! all i care about is whether im fat or lean..

any of u guys who plan on getting on stage sometime here soon think twice about your cottage cheese before bed but as for me im fvcking eatn it!

id be more concerned about diabetes before fat or lean especially as you get older.

if so many people on here asking for advice say they are fat or hard gainers, perhaps its time to look a bit more into the things they are not doing. U are very defensive 405 when i said someones gonna start posting its ok to eat a bunch of sugar and go to bed because 405 does it, ive never once criticized you, your diet or your training regiment. Think what you will about me, yes im the bad guy

[951thompson]

u sir are an idiot 2 fold

1.) i never mentioned your name.

2.) lyle says there are better ways to diet down to sub 10% bf before using UD2.0 (HIS WORDS)

give me a break

Oh dear, you can't think of a good point to come back with, so you have to resort to name calling. How pathetic!

"I never mention your name" funny im the only guy following the UD2 here (and bunny as off this week) I wonder who you was talking about?

Im such an ideot, but you enjoy reading my log so much lol (stay tuned you may learn something)

Lyles UD2 diet is for people at 15% and below who wish to diet to 10% and below,(im 12-13%) you see some people have a hard time getting lean. So some (not all) these kinds of diets are necessary. Some folks are blessed with good genetics, some are not!

[951thompson]

id be more concerned about diabetes before fat or lean especially as you get older.

if so many people on here asking for advice say they are fat or hard gainers, perhaps its time to look a bit more into the things they are not doing. U are very defensive 405 when i said someones gonna start posting its ok to eat a bunch of sugar and go to bed because 405 does it, ive never once criticized you, your diet or your training regiment. Think what you will about me, yes im the bad guy

You sir are a know it all, ignorant to other people's views, close minded, however you want to put it?

[austinite]

Let's keep it clean folks. No name calling. I think we're all adults here.

[gbrice75]

The real over thinking is more people spend time on *FORUMS* looking for the perfect diet and training program *AND ARGUING OVER STUPID SHIT* then in the gym and the kitchen.

^^ fixed this up a bit, didn't want to leave anything out.

Re: this entire topic, and now heated debate between Mock, 405, et al. - I'm not going to get involved any further because quite frankly, I'm bored to tears with it. Mock, I agree 1 MILLION percent with your sentiment above. On that note, why don't we just drop all of this and continue training to be our best?

[gbrice75]

Let's keep it clean folks. No name calling. I think we're all adults here.

x2. I like both of you (Mockery and 951) and don't want to see either of you banned. That's not an idle threat; flaming/name calling etc. is breaking our rules. You're both well established, contributing members here. We can agree to disagree in an adult manner. Let's just get on boys...

[951thompson]

x2. I like both of you (Mockery and 951) and don't want to see either of you banned. That's not an idle threat; flaming/name calling etc. is breaking our rules. You're both well established, contributing members here. We can agree to disagree in an adult manner. Let's just get on boys...

This guy just goes around criticizing people, dudes got an attitude problem.

This is my last post in this thread, im outta here

[mockery]

Oh dear, you can't think of a good point to come back with, so you have to resort to name calling. How pathetic!

"I never mention your name" funny im the only guy following the UD2 here (and bunny as off this week) I wonder who you was talking about?

Im such an ideot, but you enjoy reading my log so much lol (stay tuned you may learn something)

Lyles UD2 diet is for people at 15% and below who wish to diet to 10% and below,(im 12-13%) you see some people have a hard time getting lean. So some (not all) these kinds of diets are necessary. Some folks are blessed with good genetics, some are not!

Go make a post on lyles site right now, ask him if there is better approaches to losing body fat before sub 10% and UD2.0, hes the expert so clearly go right to the source.

and id have no interest reading your UD2.0 log, so keep flattering yourself that im subscribed

[951thompson]

Go make a post on lyles site right now, ask him if there is better approaches to losing body fat before sub 10% and UD2.0, hes the expert so clearly go right to the source.

and id have no interest reading your UD2.0 log, so keep flattering yourself that im subscribed

Shout out to my biggest fan (thanks for subscribing)

I've read the book about 6 times, he says the book is aimed at people at 15% and below aiming to get very lean.
(You clearly haven't read the book, I suggest you don't speak on behalf of Lyle)

[gearbox]

fat free cottage cheese is fast becoming my perfect food. I use it in my shakes, morning meals, etc. I'm thinking i may use it as my before bed snack too, instead of another shake.

x2....

[oatmeal69]

It's got a better nutrient profile (and more protein) than milk, greek or fat free yogurt, more protein per gram than eggs, and it's reasonably cheap!

[auswest]

I eat 250g fat free cottage cheese and 40g mixed roasted nuts before bed every night.. Yum.. I just imagine the cottage cheese is ice cream

[Papa Smurf]

I take a protein drink to bed with me every night. When I wake up to pee I pound it down. I really don't care what type protein it is at 0300hrs.

Advantage of getting older...............your up at 3am anyway.........Might as well eat to!!

[RipOwens]

Advantage of getting older...............your up at 3am anyway.........Might as well eat to!!

Advantage of having a newborn too! lol

[--->>405<<---]

looks like i missed some excitement!

[austinite]

I'm at the store. Picking up a palette of cottage cheese

[--->>405<<---]

I'm at the store. Picking up a palette of cottage cheese

be sure not to forget the blueberries and strawberry preserves! (shhhh!! dont tell em about the pallet of sugar)

[austinite]

be sure not to forget the blueberries and strawberry preserves! (shhhh!! dont tell em about the pallet of sugar)

Yes, picked up a hammock of blueberries and a drum of Strawberry preserves. Also a desk of Cheez-Its.

[MickeyKnox]

Wow, i really stirred up a hornets nest with my cottage comment..lol

[oatmeal69]

F.F. Cottage is the ONLY thing Costco doesn't sell that I really wish they had. They have 2% in tubs but no F.F.
I get it at the grocery store for about $3 per 24 oz.

[--->>405<<---]

F.F. Cottage is the ONLY thing Costco doesn't sell that I really wish they had. They have 2% in tubs but no F.F.
I get it at the grocery store for about $3 per 24 oz.

2% is fine dude and all ive ever used..