282 and doctor won't budge

**StevePJC** · 08-12-2006, 12:47 PM

That's just the shits. I was on TRT three years ago and had to get off due to going overseas. Am back now and doctor I went to see to try and get back on will not budge with my levels at 282 since it's 41 points above the low end.

UGH! Anyone know if Oasis will work with me?

**zaggahamma** · 08-12-2006, 01:42 PM

you're 30 or greater right? I think that is prerequisite with them...not 100% sure if they have a certain level as much as they treat symptoms of hypogonadism.....hope you 86 your quack doctor...sorry bro

**cj1capp** · 08-12-2006, 01:45 PM

i dont know but it says if your over 30 give them a Call Today For A Free Consultation 1-877-548-3968

**Spyke** · 08-12-2006, 02:45 PM

I think you will find they will work with you. We always say here that a good doc will treat the patient and not the numbers. Sounds like you have a dickhead doctor.

I am just wondering, are you someone who "looks" like a weightlifter/bodybuilder? If so he could think you are coming off a cycle and are trying to play him. Just a thought....

**eisenmench** · 08-12-2006, 02:46 PM

I went to a HRT clinic online, with low libido, lethargy, etc.
My test was 550 total
Free test was 4
I'm 58 and was put on TRT right after bloodwork and medical questionaire
You should not have any problem with getting on HRT if the bloodwork and your medical history is OK.

**SMAN12b** · 08-12-2006, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by eisenmench

I went to a HRT clinic online, with low libido, lethargy, etc.
My test was 550 total
Free test was 4
I'm 58 and was put on TRT right after bloodwork and medical questionaire
You should not have any problem with getting on HRT if the bloodwork and your medical history is OK.

Give them a call, I am sure they will work with you. If your bloodwork is recent, they can still use it to determine.

good luck

**zaggahamma** · 08-12-2006, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Spyke

I think you will find they will work with you. We always say here that a good doc will treat the patient and not the numbers. Sounds like you have a dickhead doctor.

I am just wondering, are you someone who "looks" like a weightlifter/bodybuilder? If so he could think you are coming off a cycle and are trying to play him. Just a thought....

even still ...you're right...the doc is a munch if dude is having symptoms and he can't write a script for a little testosterone

**try-n** · 08-12-2006, 04:43 PM

call oasis. they are very good to work with,your doc is a dic

**StevePJC** · 08-13-2006, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Spyke

I think you will find they will work with you. We always say here that a good doc will treat the patient and not the numbers. Sounds like you have a dickhead doctor.

I am just wondering, are you someone who "looks" like a weightlifter/bodybuilder? If so he could think you are coming off a cycle and are trying to play him. Just a thought....

The only thing weightlifter looking on me is my shoulders and upper chest and that is a stretch. I am 32, and VERY overweight. My doctor knows that I used steroids years ago. According to another doctor I have talked to I am a perfect canidate for TRT as I was once on a program. Had to go overseas for 3 years which was the only reason why I stopped.

My doctor asked me what I wanted to do for a program. I told him I had read some good things about cream but was curious what else had come out in the past three years. The conversation then went to a shot and I agreed that would be best. My old dosage was 200mg every 9 days. He said lets see what the bloodwork says and we'll go back with the shot. A week later he called and said I don't need TRT as my numbers are in the normal range. I asked what they were and he said 282. I asked him what the low end of the range was and he said 241. I was speechless. He mailed me a copy of the lab report. Am calling Oasis tomorrow.

**zaggahamma** · 08-14-2006, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by StevePJC

The only thing weightlifter looking on me is my shoulders and upper chest and that is a stretch. I am 32, and VERY overweight. My doctor knows that I used steroids years ago. According to another doctor I have talked to I am a perfect canidate for TRT as I was once on a program. Had to go overseas for 3 years which was the only reason why I stopped.

My doctor asked me what I wanted to do for a program. I told him I had read some good things about cream but was curious what else had come out in the past three years. The conversation then went to a shot and I agreed that would be best. My old dosage was 200mg every 9 days. He said lets see what the bloodwork says and we'll go back with the shot. A week later he called and said I don't need TRT as my numbers are in the normal range. I asked what they were and he said 282. I asked him what the low end of the range was and he said 241. I was speechless. He mailed me a copy of the lab report. Am calling Oasis tomorrow.

sounds like he is obsessed with numbers...and you were on TRT before, I forgot about that...since you were diagnosed before with hypogonadism, it should make this doc's job EVEN easier...FVCK
Save your bloodwork you just got...oasis will need you to fax/send a copy.
Take care bro

**Kale** · 08-14-2006, 05:36 AM

Just go to another DR, how hard can that be ?

**longtom74** · 08-14-2006, 10:34 AM

you should be good with most if not all trt centers

**Property of Steroid.com** · 08-14-2006, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by StevePJC

That's just the shits. I was on TRT three years ago and had to get off due to going overseas. Am back now and doctor I went to see to try and get back on will not budge with my levels at 282 since it's 41 points above the low end.

UGH! Anyone know if Oasis will work with me?

I'm inclined to think that Oasis would work with you. I actually just finished sending in the last of the required documents in to them, and have found them to be very accomodating and easy to work with.

**vermin** · 08-18-2006, 10:50 PM

I can recommend Oasis, though finding a decent doc is very important, even if you go the anti-aging route. Understand that the philosophy behind anti-aging medicine is very different than that of a conventional endocrinologist, and having a local endo who is reasonable to keep tabs on you is a good idea.

At 32, a good endo would still see you as a TRT candidate because he should recognize that you should not be at the low end of "normal" at that age. And "BB-looking" or not, if you can demonstrate a history (as you have) of low test then it is his ethical obligation to provide you with treatment.

On thing that an AA clinic will not do is look for underlying disease that might be the root source of your issue. This is a good reason to have a responsible endo - he can do the MRIs, check adrenal function, etc. to insure that the low test is not a symptom of somethign far worse. If you had a stroke in your pituitary, don't you think you'd want to know?

**Teabagger** · 08-19-2006, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Just go to another DR, how hard can that be ?

Don't want to hijack...but DAMN Kale you continue to have the BEST avatars!!

**UpstateNY** · 08-22-2006, 10:20 AM

That's the sad truth of most Dr's I've met. They have so much to try and learn or retain, that something non-critical (at least in their mind) isn't given the same amount of attention. I had to demand my doc either educate himself and treat my symptoms, or I'd walk. He's a good GP and apparently reasonable since I'm getting treatment. I'd start looking for a new dr. In my opinion, a doc that is so closed minded, isn't treating you properly and that can be in other areas as well, and those my not show up until your in trouble. It's your life and body. Find another doctor as uncomforable as it may be, and I do know. Sounds as though you're being reasonable so it shouldn't be too hard to do. You don't have to go to a clinic or online unless that is what you choose. I wanted to doc I felt totally comfortable with. It's done wonders for me physically and emotionally! My numbers are a little high but I feel good and don't have any negative side effects so I don't see my doc changing things. At least I hope not. I go back next month and we'll see what happens. I'm not expecting trouble but I wouldn't be suprised if he suggests a change to lower the numbers some. We'll talk and I believe he'll see it my way. That's the type of doctor you want and everyone should have. Educate yourself so that you can make a good case and help educate your doctor and you have better odds in my opinion. This is very new to many of them and it makes them uncomfortable. To many of them worry about the DEA checking up on them. I laugh at that when you realize the amount of narcotic meds most of them write. They see steroids as in the media and forsee trouble. In my case, due to my injuries, I can get a monthly scrip for a highly abused narcotic pain killer with no problems. I don't use it unless needed. I could sell that if I was inclined, and make a lot more than Test!! So I told him so as to put it in perspective. I also told him about the ability to go online. Did he want that? He has been helpful since. I'm not looking for bulk or looks. My goal was quality of life. I've gotten that back and told him so. As an aside, do look more healthy and that to makes me feel better. If I could stop taking Test and feel this way, I would but my body isn't working properly so I need HRT just as a diabetic needs regular maint. treatment. I wish you the best of luck and hope you seek and find a better minded doctor!!! Keep in touch with the results.
Maze

**StevePJC** · 11-02-2006, 08:40 PM

A bit of an update.

Waited until I got settled in my new town and went to a new doctor to be re looked at.

She did a wide variety of blood work and numbers came back at 261. Prescribed Testim. Before I get the script filled I want to see what Oasis can do for me as far as injectables.

Doctor said a man of my age (32) should be in the 600 range. Nice to find a doc that will treat me instead of the number on the lab results.

**HighandWide** · 11-02-2006, 08:46 PM

never needed TRT but have always been intrested in this question...does health insurance cover anything or is there any situation that they would

**zaggahamma** · 11-02-2006, 08:46 PM

has been awhile bro...hope all is well, good luck with whichever way you go or both

**zaggahamma** · 11-02-2006, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by HighandWide

never needed TRT but have always been intrested in this question...does health insurance cover anything or is there any situation that they would

mine covers doc visits, lab work, and prescription test cyp

**vermin** · 11-02-2006, 08:51 PM

Good news, man - and as far as basic TRT goes, insurance will usually cover it.

**zaggahamma** · 11-02-2006, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by vermin

Good news, man - and as far as basic TRT goes, insurance will usually cover it.

yeh, as far as regular docs at least...not oasis or other hrt clinics that i know of anyway

**StevePJC** · 11-02-2006, 09:00 PM

My copay for a 90 days supply of Testim is $35. I know anything from Oasis is going to be more expensive. I'm just looking for the overall best route and the best help for me. Something is nagging at me that the shot is the way to go and the doctor will not entertain the shot until we go the gel route for 6 months to a year.

**zaggahamma** · 11-02-2006, 09:06 PM

yeh, no doubt...it can be a rough road....i try not to burn either bridge

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 11-02-2006, 10:28 PM

your real close at 282. i bet if you abuse yourself a little with alcohal, ibuprofin( yep, it lowers test), foods with "yellow 5", oregano, and artificial sweetners, a few smokes, cut fat too low, and overtrain(3 hour workout) and dont sleep the night before the blood test, you may be spot on.
Just an idea. Probably a bad one.
Oh....and i thought Oasis was 27. Did they change it to 30? It was 27 last year. Oh well.

**StevePJC** · 11-03-2006, 11:00 AM

Another update

Just got off the phone with Oasis. I think I will go this route instead of the Testim. The cost is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Small price to pay to get a smile back on my face more often.

Waiting on a physical form and since bloodwork is done I am off to the races.

**zaggahamma** · 11-03-2006, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by StevePJC

Another update

Just got off the phone with Oasis. I think I will go this route instead of the Testim. The cost is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Small price to pay to get a smile back on my face more often.

Waiting on a physical form and since bloodwork is done I am off to the races.

you're almost there

**StevePJC** · 11-03-2006, 03:25 PM

Seriously looking forward to it. They said they were going to email me a form for my doctor but haven't got it yet. I have an appointment for a physical on Tuesday so I hope it comes before then.

**vermin** · 11-03-2006, 04:54 PM

Good luck! I had trouble getting my GP to play along - he would not send my stuff, so I just went to a rapid care type place and they did a physical there for me. Their standard physical form was fine to fax to Oasis.

**StevePJC** · 11-06-2006, 06:55 PM

I went ahead and filled the script for the Testim. Curiosity killed the cat. Going to see how this stuff works before I get on the Oasis train.

**zaggahamma** · 11-06-2006, 07:17 PM

cool bro...that shiat has done wonders for some alone

**StevePJC** · 11-10-2006, 08:42 AM

UGH!!!! Doctors can really piss you off sometimes. Mine wont fill out the physical form because she already prescribed me Testim and doesn't want me "double dosing." Anyone got any ideas or am I stuck finding another doctor?

**vermin** · 11-10-2006, 11:31 AM

You just need to order a copy of your latest physical. It is your legal property, which if you remind your GP of this it may work. Though you are correct, bascially she is an a-hole as what other treatment would she respond this way if you decided to seek additional help from a specialist? Mine did not respond to the legal stuff, which though I'd have eventually won, it was cheaper and quicker to go to a rapid care place and get a physical there (call first to make sure the one you have in mind does them).

**StevePJC** · 11-10-2006, 07:59 PM

This doctor has never given me a full physical. Have to order the last from March in Landstuhl, Germany. I'll figure it out.

**znak** · 11-10-2006, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by StevePJC

Another update

Just got off the phone with Oasis. I think I will go this route instead of the Testim. The cost is not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Small price to pay to get a smile back on my face more often.

Waiting on a physical form and since bloodwork is done I am off to the races.

Send the bill to your insurance company. Very good odds they will pay it. Check out the 1,000 thread on that topic.

Worked for me for years.

**StevePJC** · 11-10-2006, 09:41 PM

Yep. Already talked to insurance. I file a claim and will be reimbursed 85% since Oasis is not a "network provider"

**vermin** · 11-10-2006, 10:23 PM

Good deal!

**StevePJC** · 11-21-2006, 12:06 PM

Finally got the new physical done yesterday. Waiting to hear from Oasis if there is anything left to provide.

**pimpdawgin** · 11-21-2006, 04:17 PM

OK, I'm confused. What units are you guys talking about? You can't just post numbers without specifying units.
And is this Total Testosterone , Freee Testosterone, etc.?????

I just got my results back but don't know what to compare them to because I can't find reference ranges with units.
Thanks.

**zaggahamma** · 11-21-2006, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by pimpdawgin

OK, I'm confused. What units are you guys talking about? You can't just post numbers without specifying units.
And is this Total Testosterone , Freee Testosterone, etc.?????

I just got my results back but don't know what to compare them to because I can't find reference ranges with units.
Thanks.

you're right...in this thread, i believe we are assuming the reference range to be total test normal to be 241-827 since there was a reference to being close to "low" at 282.....When I was put on TRT by my endo, I was in range at 275 and 298 but on the low end....I'm glad that I didn't have to be out of range to start. Some docs won't prescribe if in range.

Don't you have a reference range on your bloodwork?