Dr. Crisler Interview on SQ Testosterone Injections

**ecdysone** · 03-07-2012, 10:55 AM

^^^ No actually test itself (non-esterified form) is easily dissolved in non-viscous liquids - the higher esters are dissolved in oils to act as a slow diffusing depots.

doc w: as hard as this is to believe (no pun intended!), they have designed experiments to quantitate 6 woody's from 7 - it's been applied to the study of anti-prolactins (pramipexole) in such matters.

**doc w** · 03-07-2012, 12:03 PM

Sounds like a HARD job

**bass** · 03-11-2012, 08:53 PM

Guys i thought I'll make the update here regarding SQ injection and E2 management. well 3 weeks after doing eod test/hcg and stopping AI i finally felt the high E2 symptoms, like watter retention, fat gain, sensitive nipples, no sex drive, tired, etc... so i decided to get back on AI at 0.5 mg twice week.

**zaggahamma** · 03-12-2012, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by bass

Guys i thought I'll make the update here regarding SQ injection and E2 management. well 3 weeks after doing eod test/hcg and stopping AI i finally felt the high E2 symptoms, like watter retention, fat gain, sensitive nipples, no sex drive, tired, etc... so i decided to get back on AI at 0.5 mg twice week.

thanks bass
would it be correct if you had a sense of well being temporarily when halting the ai? moreso than when you were on it...but then approximately 3 weeks on your protocol you feel these symptoms?

**spywizard** · 03-12-2012, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

When I did almost 1cc I got a lump and it was sore for a good week. When I cut it down to 1/2cc everything was fine. Some people seem to be ok with more but I would rather do it 2x a week if need be.

yep, that's what happened to me.. i'll try the smaller dose as well

**bass** · 03-12-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by jpkman

thanks bass
would it be correct if you had a sense of well being temporarily when halting the ai? moreso than when you were on it...but then approximately 3 weeks on your protocol you feel these symptoms?

thats exactly what happened JP, i felt really good about a week after i stopped AI then by the third week just felt the high e2 symptoms i listed. already feeling much better and bloating is going away, just another indication my e2 was too high. unfortunately i convert easy.

**bass** · 03-12-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

yep, that's what happened to me.. i'll try the smaller dose as well

i got lumps and lasted a week or so at the beginning, but later they got better but didn't get eliminated, still lasted a day or two even at smaller doses, however i found that injecting at 45 degrees and about 4" away from belly button totally eliminated the lumps, i was doing them 2" away from belly button, perhaps too close!

**kelkel** · 03-12-2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by bass

Guys i thought I'll make the update here regarding SQ injection and E2 management. well 3 weeks after doing eod test/hcg and stopping AI i finally felt the high E2 symptoms, like watter retention, fat gain, sensitive nipples, no sex drive, tired, etc... so i decided to get back on AI at 0.5 mg twice week.

Bass why don't you try .25 x 2 for a change and see if you can get by with less?

**Vettester** · 03-13-2012, 12:24 AM

bass, you know the drill ... Time for some labs. It will sort out soon enough.

**JD250** · 03-13-2012, 07:33 AM

^^^ yes, I'm very interested to see testosterone and e2 levels at 35 mgs eod.

I have a question, I know our bodies like to be in a state of homeostasis but where e2 is concerned in someone who is NOT on TRT does e2 remain fairly constant or does it fluctuate along with our test levels? Bass stating that he felt good after dropping the AI (at least for a while) reminded me of a discussion here about a year ago concerning the idea that we may feel better when our levels are fluctuating like they would normally rather than staying level all the time.........any merit whatsoever to that thought?

**zaggahamma** · 03-13-2012, 07:56 AM

Yes...some merit...bass just noticed...flatscat mentioned the same...and i believe it it to be true but I'm not really as in tune to every detail...I guess its the adhd

**lovbyts** · 03-13-2012, 08:45 AM

I think the term feel better is a relevant term. Sometimes different is better or worse depending on how you look at it. Feeling the same all the time even if it's OK or good one tends to want to feel different/better? It's sort of like how do you know you feel good/better if you have never felt bad? I know I have been in pain for the last 25 years due to my back and hardly go a day without pain but most of the time I think/say I feel fine because I'm use to it.

I'm not saying you are wrong though, it is a very good possibility what you say is correct because are bodies are not exactly a machine that needs to run exactly the same all the time. Everything effects our bodies, air environment, food, stress and we are continually adjusting or fluctuating.

**bass** · 03-13-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Bass why don't you try .25 x 2 for a change and see if you can get by with less?

yes i will this time.

Originally Posted by vetteman08

bass, you know the drill ... Time for some labs. It will sort out soon enough.

doing it tomorrow morning!

Originally Posted by JD250

^^^ yes, I'm very interested to see testosterone and e2 levels at 35 mgs eod.

me too, I'll post blood work as soon as i get it.

**zaggahamma** · 03-13-2012, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

I think the term feel better is a relevant term. Sometimes different is better or worse depending on how you look at it. Feeling the same all the time even if it's OK or good one tends to want to feel different/better? It's sort of like how do you know you feel good/better if you have never felt bad? I know I have been in pain for the last 25 years due to my back and hardly go a day without pain but most of the time I think/say I feel fine because I'm use to it.

I'm not saying you are wrong though, it is a very good possibility what you say is correct because are bodies are not exactly a machine that needs to run exactly the same all the time. Everything effects our bodies, air environment, food, stress and we are continually adjusting or fluctuating.

agree
..and SLEEP...etc.
and why i really find it hard myself to be so in tune with some of the minor side effects i hear about or feel myself

**durak** · 03-18-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by bass

yes i will this time.

doing it tomorrow morning!

me too, I'll post blood work as soon as i get it.

I use deep-SQ in the delt or thigh. Do 1cc or 1/2cc twice a week depending on my mood. 25g 5/8 inch needle or 29g 1/2 inch needle (yes the 29g draws slow but so I do that while watching tv). Much easier than IM.

**fm2002** · 03-22-2012, 01:58 AM

Anxiously waiting guys for BW results for those who are on SQ !

**zaggahamma** · 03-22-2012, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by fm2002

Anxiously waiting guys for BW results for those who are on SQ !

check out bass's latest thread

**HRTstudent** · 03-22-2012, 12:09 PM

I think it's a great example that you can't substitute feelings/sides for what's actually going on... we're not talking about some rookies here either but people who know their bodies fairly well.

Glad everyone is here to help each other and share and learn.