Trt appoinment in the uk

[milky01623]

Thanks guys I'm still waiting for my results but I'm just trying to get an insight as to what's involved with meds etc

[milky01623]

Nearly forgot what if any sides are involved with gel and is there any additional meds

[milky01623]

Ok I just got the phone call from the clinic....
The doc says" my level is 8 & should be about 16-18 for my age"
So there it is confirmed I have low test and will b starting trt on the 1st of September
Can I just say that if it wasn't for 405 and the info from you guys on this forum I would never had known. Thanx

[pugster]

a result this fast in the UK must be some sort of record , took me about 18months on the nhs, arguing with gp's and doing my own research of finding guidelines etc to put a case forward and get anything done.
keep us informed of your progress and good luck

*as far as sides go, imo dont even look at them, report a problem if one occurs other wise most ppl sit there waiting for them to happen and the smallest thing will get you wound up

[milky01623]

a result this fast in the UK must be some sort of record , took me about 18months on the nhs, arguing with gp's and doing my own research of finding guidelines etc to put a case forward and get anything done.
keep us informed of your progress and good luck

*as far as sides go, imo dont even look at them, report a problem if one occurs other wise most ppl sit there waiting for them to happen and the smallest thing will get you wound up

Dude unfortunately it's not the nhs and is coming out of my own coffers but I figured it's best to get help sooner rather than later lol

[pugster]

Dude unfortunately it's not the nhs and is coming out of my own coffers but I figured it's best to get help sooner rather than later lol

yer i know but its a start , hopefully if things improve for you healthwise you can convince your GP to prescribe for you instead and dr savage to just monitor , if you can show you are better on TRT theres not really an argument the GP can use

[milky01623]

Bump for Micky h

[Plunn]

Hi
26 years old and T level of 291ng/dl or 10.1nmol/l. bummer score for someone my age. Nasty symptoms all typical of low test. Hypogonadism is recognized to start at 300ng/dl but still I was not able to get any help from the NHS. Basically my level is just within the range that they consider 'normal' even through the test is massively flawed. It seemed like they simply did to ever understand the topic. I had one doctor tell me testosterone is a useless hormone! Where should I begin with a comment like that! Anyway, I thought I was stuffed. No help on the NHS and couldn’t afford private treatment in London. :bbhanging:bbhanging:bbhanging:bbhanging:bbhanging :bbhanging:bbhanging:frown: That was, until I found Dr Savage at the Leger Clinic. So willing to help and treat the symptoms and not the level. I am now on nebido, administering every 12 weeks and haven’t been happier. Life is back on track and it did not cost the earth. Honestly, don’t bother trying to fight the NHS; you will suffer for longer unnecessarily.
Anyway, just saw Dr Savages name and thought I would give my pennies worth lol.
:bbhanging

[milky01623]

Hi guys I'm WORRIED!!!!!!
Is this normal my nuts are shrinking and I don't seem to produce the same amount of man juice as I used to!!!
Please help

[milky01623]

Ok so update as to my trt
I rang the clinic this morning to express my concerns over cartain issues namely my nuts shrinking and basically I've just returned from a very uplifting appointment I now have in hand 3 month supply of gel I will start tomorrow am
This is my beginning I'll keep u posted

[milky01623]

I've started!!!!!!
6am I applied the gel this is day 1 of my new life (hopefully)
Nothing to report lol
Just curious tho 50mg/5g this seem a high dose to use daily???
Oh well im not the medic
I'll keep you all posted

[pugster]

Hi guys I'm WORRIED!!!!!!
Is this normal my nuts are shrinking and I don't seem to produce the same amount of man juice as I used to!!!
Please help

your nuts will shrink when you start using the HRT not beforehand , so if that is a worry things are gonna get worse , only about 10% of the gel is absorbed afaik.

[Plunn]

Pugster is absolutely right, your testicles will shrink because your balls do not need to produce test and so go into hibernation mode. this can ultimately destroy their ability to ever produce test if done for long enough (although everyone is different and so reacts differently but the potential is there). in regards to the Gel it is debatable how useful they are especially at 50mg. some people describe a euphoric feeling near the beginning which then dies away and left feeling worse than before- this comes from the gel 'topping up' your normal test but then the testes stop producing and your level can drop further then before! total speaking terms with your doc is important, regular bloods but more importantly, your doc should treat the symptoms not the level. if you still feel crap the likelihood is that it is not working to the degree that it needs to be better. your treatment may need to be altered or changed. i went from Gel, test ethanate and finally nebido and found my preference to the latter treatment. but do give it time, nothing happens over night. good luck milky, when it better you have a feeling that you will not have felt since 16, which I had totally forgotten about until i got better

[milky01623]

Thanx for that plunn but tbh I haven't felt a euphoric feeling yet but it is only 3 days lol in all honesty I still feel the same as before but I am apprehensive about it all and living in hope but I suppose the main thing is I'm on trt so things are going to get better

[Plunn]

I never really felt any different on gel, it simply didn't work for me. My levels didn't go up or down on it, just stayed stagnant. 3 days is still very early buddy do give it time. I changed after 3 months to ethanate, .5ml ever 7 days. Marked improvement After another 3 months. Test levels went to 20 but my Face expanded and looked like a chipmunk, not cool. Changed again to nebido every 12 weeks with 6 week loading phase. Nothing has worked for me like that has. I litually feel like im 16 again, brilliant. Give a bit of time, check ur levels but more importantly keep a diary of how you feel. Note improvements and shortfalls and then inform doctor when you next see him. You may need to changed like me but for the meantime, give gel a chance. Don't be disappointed if it does not work, there is better treatments to sort us out which are available

[milky01623]

Well I'm a week into testogel and tbh I don't feel any different!!!!!
I keep telling myself it's a marathon not a sprint but I don't believe it.....
I havent felt any euphoric feeling or rise in libido & I'd still rather read a book in bed lol
Is this just me ????

[pugster]

any changes will take time and be gradual , maybe your expectations of trt are too high? remember you are trying to reach normal testosterone lvls only -not the supraphysiological levels associated with bb , ive used gels for 3 months and have been on shots for 9 months now and ive never felt any 'euphoria' either , the only way you are going to get a eurphoric feeling from TRT is by mixing it with cocaine , which is going to end up being pretty expensive and creating a habit at he same time.

[Plunn]

Once again Pugster is right. How old are you Milky? The simple fact of the matter is the longer you have suffered the longer it will take to get better. For me it’s gone like this;
1. being able to stay up later
2. feeling generally happier about everything really
3. libido returned (made me even happier)
Im quite young and was not sick for long. It has not taken too long for me but it is very subjective and each person is different. Pugster, I don’t think his expectations are too high, he wants to feel normal again. It is how I felt, but it takes time. It would be too much to expect it to get better over night. TRT has the potential to completely change how you feel, your perspective on life, your confidence and you physical abilities. It was the best thing I have ever done. These things will take time Milky but you will get better. Use the gels for the mo, if they don’t work and you don’t get better then switch to Nebido (that is an incredible form of treatment). Would defo steer clear of the coke and trt routine, would not recommend that

[milky01623]

Thanx for your replies
I guess it was the dr sayin some guys phone after a week sayin "this is a miracle" I think my expectations were a little high
I'm 41 but I think I've been suffering for about 9 years or at least that's when I lost morning glory etc and I'd put off sex as long as I could then I'd get drunk and blame it on that lol
I've spoken to my dr and he told me to book in for more bloods after a month so all is not lost yet

[milky01623]

Hi guys
Just a quick update I've been on testogel for nearly 3 weeks now and it must be present as I now have peanuts instead of walnuts but what I don't understand is that I rub the gel on and feel ok until about midday then I start to get low to where I was in the beginning
Is the gel working?
Do I need a stronger dose?
Thanx

[milky01623]

Another quick update
After a long discussion with my doctor it's been decided that the way forward for numerous reasons will be nebido :-)
I'm now waiting for an appointment for the first injection to start the loading phase
I'd like to once again thank everyone for all their input and help whilst I'm starting my treatment
Cheers milky

[pugster]

nebido is slow to start working , but when it does its a great therapy , im up to about 6 shots now and the more shots i have the better i feel , shot is pretty large @ 4ml right after its done i found it helps if i go for a walk for a few miles and now i have no pip at all from it , tho the first shot did feel pretty weird (nurse said she was sorry i said i felt more sorry for her having to look at my ass at 8.30 in the morning) P

[milky01623]

^^^^^^^ nurse pmsl
Tbh I'm releaved that I'm going onto nebido as I find gel so inconvienient with my job and trying to give the kids a reasonable explanation as to why I'm applying it
It sounds a little daft but I'm genuinely excited at the thought of getting back to me

[milky01623]

Get my first nebido shot on Saturday
Marcus steM mentioned that you had a really good write up about neb but I can't find it can you help pls
Cheers milky

[marcus300]

Get my first nebido shot on Saturday
Marcus steM mentioned that you had a really good write up about neb but I can't find it can you help pls
Cheers milky

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...therapy-Nebido

[milky01623]

Thanx Marcus that's a great read and has put me at ease about it
Have you suffers any sides?

[marcus300]

Thanx Marcus that's a great read and has put me at ease about it
Have you suffers any sides?

No I've suffered zero sides, all positives

[milky01623]

No I've suffered zero sides, all positives

That's really good to hear don't think I could cope with bitch tits at 41 lol I'm only just getting rid of moobs on my cut haha

On a more serious note would I b able to cycle as I was planning to in January I understand it would have to be short esthers

[marcus300]

That's really good to hear don't think I could cope with bitch tits at 41 lol I'm only just getting rid of moobs on my cut haha

On a more serious note would I b able to cycle as I was planning to in January I understand it would have to be short esthers

You will have to find out what protocol they going to put you on and when they going to do blood test etc. But of course you can cycle while on nebido either short or long esters will be fine.

[Plunn]

Hi Milky. really pleased to hear that you are being put on nebido. gel didnt do it for me either plus massively para about going near my kid after application. whats this stuff about cycling while on trt. i know its possible but milky, our hormones are shot to sh*t, do you really want to mess around with it more!? my advice would be to cruise on trt and leave the other stuff. you dont need to take anyones advise and if you dont like it then bin it, but i could never cycle again after what has happened to me. Its been nothing but bad news and now paying the price for the rest of my life for it

[Plunn]

also Milky, are you being treated by dr savage at the leger clinic? is that were you are going on sat? if so, i may run into you, im there sat too

[milky01623]

also Milky, are you being treated by dr savage at the leger clinic? is that were you are going on sat? if so, i may run into you, im there sat too

Yeah I'll b there on saturday
Sounds wierd but I'm quite looking forward to this journey in my life & I know what you mean about goin near the kids I'm just the same
Thanks for all the input plunn may see you sat

[Back In Black]

I have an appointment at The Leger Clinic in 10 days time!!!

[milky01623]

I have an appointment at The Leger Clinic in 10 days time!!!

Cool you'll like dr.savage he's very informative

[Plunn]

Hi Milky. so nebido shot went ok? do you notice any difference?

[dec11]

Hi Milky. really pleased to hear that you are being put on nebido. gel didnt do it for me either plus massively para about going near my kid after application. whats this stuff about cycling while on trt. i know its possible but milky, our hormones are shot to sh*t, do you really want to mess around with it more!? my advice would be to cruise on trt and leave the other stuff. you dont need to take anyones advise and if you dont like it then bin it, but i could never cycle again after what has happened to me. Its been nothing but bad news and now paying the price for the rest of my life for it

he's never going back to his natty system, whats the big deal about him running a few cycles a year? i think you're kinda misinformed and OTT in your statement

[pugster]

Hi Milky. so nebido shot went ok? do you notice any difference?

he wont feel much difference until after the 3rd or 4th shot , for me and many others nebido has a cumulative effect (the more you have the better you feel) , as its his first he will however feel like he's had a gold ball implanted in his arse :P

[dec11]

he wont feel much difference until after the 3rd or 4th shot , for me and many others nebido has a cumulative effect (the more you have the better you feel) , as its his first he will however feel like he's had a gold ball implanted in his arse :P

haha, true words.

you're dead right, my nebido is improving steadily, getting my 5th in 2wks

[Plunn]

Hi Dec11. I am not ill informed buddy, know quite a bit about this. We can both agree that natty test is gone. The biggest problem I would consider this that we are on this for life, not a huge amount but still for the rest of our lives. If he continues to do heavy cycles for years to come there is a chance that his body becomes tolerant to large volumes introduced into the body and so the small amounts that he uses may stop becoming as effective. His body can become habituated. Fun things to do with low test may return like limp d*ck, joy. As such he will have to increase the amount. If that is done he opens the door to risks. Can you imagine the one thing that works becomes ineffective because the tolerance becomes too high? I’d rather not thanks. Understand where im coming from now?

[dec11]

Hi Dec11. I am not ill informed buddy, know quite a bit about this. We can both agree that natty test is gone. The biggest problem I would consider this that we are on this for life, not a huge amount but still for the rest of our lives. If he continues to do heavy cycles for years to come there is a chance that his body becomes tolerant to large volumes introduced into the body and so the small amounts that he uses may stop becoming as effective. His body can become habituated. Fun things to do with low test may return like limp d*ck, joy. As such he will have to increase the amount. If that is done he opens the door to risks. Can you imagine the one thing that works becomes ineffective because the tolerance becomes too high? I’d rather not thanks. Understand where im coming from now?

this doesnt happen, i always drop back down to a normal state. it just doesnt work that way mate, do a bit of reading up.