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04-23-2013, 01:11 PM #121
GD meant to ask how long it took to start seeing/feeing results for you on your protocol ? Also do you think the benefits max out at some point?
Thanks
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The stack as noted in my original post started seeing serious vascularity in 7 days.
As for maxing out; I guess you get to a point where the body will only respond to so much but I've been consistent for a few years now on that exact stack and see no decline whatsoever. In fact, I've leaned out a great deal because of it which I just love!
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04-23-2013, 10:59 PM #123Originally Posted by gdevine
Started seeing veins in my traps!
Good lookin out gd!
-Chomp Chomp Chomp-Clink Clink Clink-
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04-26-2013, 11:03 PM #124
Hey GD.
Awesome thread! I know I'm a couple days behind as I have not had the time. Anyhow, I'm sending PM.
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Was doing some serious cable cross overs in the gym today in front of the mirror and going at it hard...when I was done the last set a dude in the gym (someone I don't know) walks up to me and said he "saw veins popping out everywhere when I went to failure...said it was crazy".
You tell me LOL...
The stack works as I take it...
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04-27-2013, 01:13 AM #128~ PLEASE DO NOT ASK FOR SOURCE CHECKS ~
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04-27-2013, 01:16 AM #129HRT
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04-27-2013, 01:17 AM #130
^ please go back to 5mg Cialis ONCE a day!
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Hey GD just bought the Now l-arg and l-cit at Vitamin Shoppe, and the dude there tried to talk me out of taking it everyday because it can cause acidity in the body to rise and yada yada yada. I don't particularly like VS sales clerks' self proclaimed expertise, but I thought I'd run it by you to see if you ever take a break from taking it every day. Thx!
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04-27-2013, 03:49 PM #133
Gd, how do you mix the NOW powders. Just used up all my old pills. First time with powders I added them to my pre-workout drink since I go at 9am.
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04-27-2013, 04:49 PM #134HRT
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Tried the NOW l-arg and l-cit tonight in cold water. Tastes like shit but I'm willing to stick with it for the benefits.
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GD what are your feelings on taking creatine on off days?? I usually get 3-5g pre workout and then 10g after but I normally dont take it on my off days... Main reason I usually just dont think about it becuase I'm not drinking a pre or post drink...
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I take the same supplements at the same time and same doses regardless of training days or not. On off days the body is recovering, meaning healing and when we get bigger and stronger. We don't get big in the gym we get bigger and stronger on recovery, meaning when we sleep and when we take a day off.
I like the fact that serum levels are consistent throughout training and non training days.
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Good idea
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04-28-2013, 02:53 PM #144
Fantastic post! How long did it take you to come up with this amazing cocktail. I'm already chomping at the bit to give ths a shot.
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I just recently stumbled onto the issue of low test, had bw done, and now waiting on next appt with my gp to see where to go from here. I had been hoping that it would be a smooth sail with the gp, but from reading around on here that may not be the case. Oh well, we'll see.
Believe me, I'm ready and raring to go with this but just want to make sure I have all my ducks in a row.
Btw, I am tremendously impressed with this forum. Really glad I found it.
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i posted my blood work. dhea was high. i think im converting all of my dhea into cortisol.
this was meant in reply to gdevines reply to me....not random spam.rofl
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04-29-2013, 09:17 AM #151
Glad that you did as well! Study up here and be ready for your appointment. Read the stickies. Knowledge is power, especially when it comes to your health. Do not settle for poor treatment. If your upcoming appt does not pan out check out lowt.com.
Also take the time and visit some of the other forums here. The nutrition forum is basically stocked with free nutritionists willing to help. Doesn't get much better than that. Then hit the lounge and have some off topic fun as well!
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Been on the l-arg and l-cit now for three days. I'm not sure if this is coincidental, but I had some new veins popping out on my biceps today during my lift session. They haven't stayed out post-workout, but I have to think these sups are doing something
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04-29-2013, 12:08 PM #154
Gd curious on how you came about this stack?
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g is phosphatidyl serine really as good at lowering cortisol as im thinking it ,may be? Can i expect my hypogonadism to go away(339 tt) when i lower my out of range cortisol to normal?
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GD here is a little something my TRT doc gave me to try ..... tell me what you think of it. Its a tablet that consist of the following
Zink(chalate) 7mg
Black Walnut(hull) 500mg
Fenugreek Extract(seed) 500mg
Tribulus Extract(Fruit) 400mg
Muira Puama(bark) 350mg
Epimedium Extract(Herb) 250mg
Nettle(leaf) 140mg
Diindolylmethane(DIM) 100mg
Aminobutyric Acid(GABA) 10mg
Black Pepper Extract(fruit) 7mg
Other ingredients Cellulose,Stearic Acid, Di-Calcium Phosphate, Magnesium Stearate, FD&C Blue #2, FD&C yellow #6, and FD&C Red #40
Doc says this will boost TEST levels and naturally suppresses estrogen. Whats your take on this?Last edited by PeteyP; 04-29-2013 at 09:28 PM.
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Here's my take on supplements to boost androgen levels; if any of them were even remotely capable of increasing serum levels to a point that was statistically significant the FDA would take them off the shelves and you'd need a prescription to purchase them.
Yes, there are some studies out there that can show some lift in serum levels using any number of supplements but nothing of any significance; in other words you wouldn't feel or see a difference.
If they were effective in raising serum levels we wouldn't be using exogenous Testosterone here.
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