No More Insurance for TRT

[system admin]

My theory is that testosterone treatment will continue to prove itself as a life changing medicine that not only improves quality of life but more importantly prevents serious health issues. As the lawsuits continue, the research and facts about these drugs will be forced into the public eye and in my opinion, these lawsuits will be the start of educational process for our nation and our demonization of "steroids ." The same thing happened with certain birth controls and many other medicines. The drugs are introduced to the market, the skeptics shout on the side line and talk about how these drugs are killing and hurting people (please take killing the unborn out of this example) and most are shouting with ZERO knowledge or research on the subject. Once the lawsuits start coming, the courts and people get to hear and see the facts from both sides and that is the start of how the publics opinion will change.

Once the medical community and the drug companies see these lawsuits about death, stroke, and heart attack END with a losing decision (in favor of the manufacturers of testosterone)... We will start to see a windfall of acceptance and more educated people entering the discussion and testosterone will no longer be the devil.

After that happens, I believe that testosterone will grow to be a widely accepted medicine (much more so than it already is)

After that, men involved in all types of sports will argue their need for testosterone treatment for many of the reasons and benefits that have been proven and will continue to be proven.

After that, testosterone will start to become much more accepted for athletes as a way for these men to heal faster, prevent disease, and help to prevent injury... Not to mention help the older athletes achieve higher levels of testosterone due to deficiency.

Once that happens, there will be enough time to have passed to where the older generation who grew hearing of the lies and horrors of testosterone and "steroids" will be moved on and the new generation will be running things with a different idea about these drugs. At that time, i think the discussion will be brought up to revisit the dangers of these drugs.

Lets face it.... many more people are talking about wanting steroids IN sports due to all of the things they help with. (Healing, prevention, recovery, strength, and lets not forget the improvement of athletic performance) How many people are going to be as excited about sports when 10 years go by and no one can best the records of the past? I will tell you one thing... Testing for these drugs and substances are going to improve to an unbeatable level and there will be no more excuses. Soon, there will be another huge steroid scandal and the "People" will call for tougher testing. Once that happens, the "people" are going to be losing a lot of talented athletes on the playing fields and those same "people" are going to be replaced by a younger generation who is tired of watching games where records are no longer broken (or hardly ever broken)

My point is, there is a progression of acceptance in this country and we as a nation want nothing more than to WANT MORE. We want better bats, balls, equipement, fields, training, supplements...... We want more hits, faster athletes, longer homeruns.... and most of us (especially our younger generations) DONT care about the "integrity of the game" when it comes to putting on a more exciting show for us.

Anyway, in my opinion there is a domino effect in play here and once the facts and proven research comes out about the benefits vs. risks come out with TESTOSTERONE, that may very well be the thing that changes our nations uneducated views on this subject and should heal the black eye that Lyle Alzato and others have given to these drugs.

One final point: Bodybuilding, like it or not is going down in popularity and the monsters of today are becoming freaks and funny looking to most. The massive amounts of drugs these guys use these days are becoming NOT COOL and "stupid". As the new generations continue to want to improve their bodies and look like elite levels athletes or models and NOT like monsters, a lot of the negative spotlight will be removed and there will be less and less people who are killing themselves with mass loads of gear and related drugs.

I think our culture will soon evolve to respect these drugs and not demonize them. Will all "steroids" be accepted, NO. I think it will start with drugs like "Testosterone," "Anavar ," and other more mild steroids.

Just my thought

Bc

[Metalject]

My theory is that testosterone treatment will continue to prove itself as a life changing medicine that not only improves quality of life but more importantly prevents serious health issues. As the lawsuits continue, the research and facts about these drugs will be forced into the public eye and in my opinion, these lawsuits will be the start of educational process for our nation and our demonization of "steroids ." The same thing happened with certain birth controls and many other medicines. The drugs are introduced to the market, the skeptics shout on the side line and talk about how these drugs are killing and hurting people (please take killing the unborn out of this example) and most are shouting with ZERO knowledge or research on the subject. Once the lawsuits start coming, the courts and people get to hear and see the facts from both sides and that is the start of how the publics opinion will change.

Once the medical community and the drug companies see these lawsuits about death, stroke, and heart attack END with a losing decision (in favor of the manufacturers of testosterone)... We will start to see a windfall of acceptance and more educated people entering the discussion and testosterone will no longer be the devil.

After that happens, I believe that testosterone will grow to be a widely accepted medicine (much more so than it already is)

After that, men involved in all types of sports will argue their need for testosterone treatment for many of the reasons and benefits that have been proven and will continue to be proven.

After that, testosterone will start to become much more accepted for athletes as a way for these men to heal faster, prevent disease, and help to prevent injury... Not to mention help the older athletes achieve higher levels of testosterone due to deficiency.

Once that happens, there will be enough time to have passed to where the older generation who grew hearing of the lies and horrors of testosterone and "steroids" will be moved on and the new generation will be running things with a different idea about these drugs. At that time, i think the discussion will be brought up to revisit the dangers of these drugs.

Lets face it.... many more people are talking about wanting steroids IN sports due to all of the things they help with. (Healing, prevention, recovery, strength, and lets not forget the improvement of athletic performance) How many people are going to be as excited about sports when 10 years go by and no one can best the records of the past? I will tell you one thing... Testing for these drugs and substances are going to improve to an unbeatable level and there will be no more excuses. Soon, there will be another huge steroid scandal and the "People" will call for tougher testing. Once that happens, the "people" are going to be losing a lot of talented athletes on the playing fields and those same "people" are going to be replaced by a younger generation who is tired of watching games where records are no longer broken (or hardly ever broken)

My point is, there is a progression of acceptance in this country and we as a nation want nothing more than to WANT MORE. We want better bats, balls, equipement, fields, training, supplements...... We want more hits, faster athletes, longer homeruns.... and most of us (especially our younger generations) DONT care about the "integrity of the game" when it comes to putting on a more exciting show for us.

Anyway, in my opinion there is a domino effect in play here and once the facts and proven research comes out about the benefits vs. risks come out with TESTOSTERONE, that may very well be the thing that changes our nations uneducated views on this subject and should heal the black eye that Lyle Alzato and others have given to these drugs.

One final point: Bodybuilding, like it or not is going down in popularity and the monsters of today are becoming freaks and funny looking to most. The massive amounts of drugs these guys use these days are becoming NOT COOL and "stupid". As the new generations continue to want to improve their bodies and look like elite levels athletes or models and NOT like monsters, a lot of the negative spotlight will be removed and there will be less and less people who are killing themselves with mass loads of gear and related drugs.

I think our culture will soon evolve to respect these drugs and not demonize them. Will all "steroids" be accepted, NO. I think it will start with drugs like "Testosterone," "Anavar ," and other more mild steroids.

Just my thought

Bc

Steroid legality or at least a loosening of the noose - the argument has always been there's not enough research to risk a change in the laws, but that's simply not true. There is close to 100yrs of data and even new data is often ignored "because it's the right thing to do." Look at pot and how the laws are changing, a lot of this has to do with lobbying. Phillip Morris has fought to keep pot illegal for years out of fear of it taking away from cigarette sales, but some years back they changed their tune and have bought the TM Marlboro Greens...looks just like their cigarette packages except green with a pot leaf on the front. All the people that want pot legalized, that helps but they have money behind them now with groups like Phillip Morris. Someone in the pharmacy world will have to see the same thing for the laws to really ever change.

Sports - people don't care if it's their team. Remember when Bonds was on the verge of breaking the home run record? Everyone hated him, except everyone in San Francisco, they cheered non-stop. But the sports argument is a small one and one the government uses to support their protecting the children and false morality claims. But only around 10% of all steroid users use gear for the purpose of sport and most of those are not professional. And the children argument, worst argument in the world but I'll let that one go for now.

Bodybuilding - the problem isn't the amount of drugs. Bodybuilders were at their height of disgusting in the 1990's and that's when they had the largest crowd following. The problem with bodybuilding now is it wants to be hip and cool, it tries to present itself in a way that it's not and it's a turnoff. It makes it fake, stupid and honestly idiotic. They try to present these guys as rock star athletes now and make the events sound like you're missing the biggest concert that ever happened with wild crazy after parties that you'd see at a porn shoot. But it's anything but that - portray a false image and you look like an idiot. Bodybuilding will never be mainstream like the NFL but they'd have more of a following like they once did if they portrayed themselves as they actually are. And as far as steroids go, the NFL is right up their with the same levels of use - they just don't diet down to gross levels and take all the diuretics, that's the only difference.

Most important - steroid users, unlike the pot crowd, they're scared. Steroid users hide behind fake names on message boards, admit to no one of their use and when it comes down to it, live as if they're ashamed of their use. Pot users, the exact opposite. When steroid users grow some balls (as big as atrophied balls can grow, lol), along with the pharmacy issue above, then things will change. Yes, more and more positive research helps but it will take all three things. But we could say most steroid users are idiotic meatheads, but again, that's just another false assumption. There was a huge study/survey of steroid users done several years ago, I can dig it up if anyone's interested, that described the population of steroid users by stats. The avg. income of a steroid user in the U.S. is $20,000+ a year more than the national average. 70 something % work in white collar jobs, the rate of college degrees was almost 98%, the rate of steroid users that were in a fraternity in college was less than 5%. The number of steroid users with criminal records was less than 1% and the average age was mid-30's and up. (tons of stats in this thing but that's all I can remember off the top of my head) The point - steroid users in the U.S. do not represent the crowd of people we're led to believe, at least not the majority.

[Beethoven]

Steroid legality or at least a loosening of the noose - the argument has always been there's not enough research to risk a change in the laws, but that's simply not true. There is close to 100yrs of data and even new data is often ignored "because it's the right thing to do." Look at pot and how the laws are changing, a lot of this has to do with lobbying. Phillip Morris has fought to keep pot illegal for years out of fear of it taking away from cigarette sales, but some years back they changed their tune and have bought the TM Marlboro Greens...looks just like their cigarette packages except green with a pot leaf on the front. All the people that want pot legalized, that helps but they have money behind them now with groups like Phillip Morris. Someone in the pharmacy world will have to see the same thing for the laws to really ever change.

Sports - people don't care if it's their team. Remember when Bonds was on the verge of breaking the home run record? Everyone hated him, except everyone in San Francisco, they cheered non-stop. But the sports argument is a small one and one the government uses to support their protecting the children and false morality claims. But only around 10% of all steroid users use gear for the purpose of sport and most of those are not professional. And the children argument, worst argument in the world but I'll let that one go for now.

Bodybuilding - the problem isn't the amount of drugs. Bodybuilders were at their height of disgusting in the 1990's and that's when they had the largest crowd following. The problem with bodybuilding now is it wants to be hip and cool, it tries to present itself in a way that it's not and it's a turnoff. It makes it fake, stupid and honestly idiotic. They try to present these guys as rock star athletes now and make the events sound like you're missing the biggest concert that ever happened with wild crazy after parties that you'd see at a porn shoot. But it's anything but that - portray a false image and you look like an idiot. Bodybuilding will never be mainstream like the NFL but they'd have more of a following like they once did if they portrayed themselves as they actually are. And as far as steroids go, the NFL is right up their with the same levels of use - they just don't diet down to gross levels and take all the diuretics, that's the only difference.

Most important - steroid users, unlike the pot crowd, they're scared. Steroid users hide behind fake names on message boards, admit to no one of their use and when it comes down to it, live as if they're ashamed of their use. Pot users, the exact opposite. When steroid users grow some balls (as big as atrophied balls can grow, lol), along with the pharmacy issue above, then things will change. Yes, more and more positive research helps but it will take all three things. But we could say most steroid users are idiotic meatheads, but again, that's just another false assumption. There was a huge study/survey of steroid users done several years ago, I can dig it up if anyone's interested, that described the population of steroid users by stats. The avg. income of a steroid user in the U.S. is $20,000+ a year more than the national average. 70 something % work in white collar jobs, the rate of college degrees was almost 98%, the rate of steroid users that were in a fraternity in college was less than 5%. The number of steroid users with criminal records was less than 1% and the average age was mid-30's and up. (tons of stats in this thing but that's all I can remember off the top of my head) The point - steroid users in the U.S. do not represent the crowd of people we're led to believe, at least not the majority.

I agree. I have brought that up before. We don't have a lobby and are made up of people from different sides of the aisle whom can't get over political ideology, and as you pointed out, have no money backing us.

[system admin]

BTW,

Good to see you Kel!!!! Man, I love seeing you here when I stop by.

[kelkel]

BTW,

Good to see you Kel!!!! Man, I love seeing you here when I stop by.

Thanks BC! You've been MIA lately. Dock the boat and come back on land.....

[kelkel]

There was a huge study/survey of steroid users done several years ago, I can dig it up if anyone's interested, that described the population of steroid users by stats. The avg. income of a steroid user in the U.S. is $20,000+ a year more than the national average. 70 something % work in white collar jobs, the rate of college degrees was almost 98%, the rate of steroid users that were in a fraternity in college was less than 5%. The number of steroid users with criminal records was less than 1% and the average age was mid-30's and up. (tons of stats in this thing but that's all I can remember off the top of my head) The point - steroid users in the U.S. do not represent the crowd of people we're led to believe, at least not the majority.

Ironically that sounds like the average first time Harley buyer as well.