Results 1 to 16 of 16
Like Tree4Likes
  • 1 Post By BallSak
  • 1 Post By almostgone
  • 1 Post By almostgone
  • 1 Post By kelkel

Thread: kicking around the idea...

  1. #1
    fireeater49 is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    172

    kicking around the idea...

    I have been on TRT for roughly 2 years and if you read my bio you will know my cycle history and vital stats. I was mulling around the idea of a blast using test cyp and masteron (prop/enth combo). I have been intrigued by this ED SQ shots with other trt'ers on the site and was thinking if it could be done the same way.

    Front load both at 400mg each (400mg test and 400mg masteron ) then go into a more trt aggressive dose of 200mg each and administer a 28 mg shot of each ED. I would run that for 12-16 weeks. I have no estrogen issues but will have AI on hand and of course BW beginning, middle, and end. Currently I use 500 IU of HCG per week. If I broke that down to ED it would be 70 IU ED.

    Long term goal is to harden and be very easy on this 50 year old body. Thoughts, suggestions?

  2. #2
    OingoBoingo's Avatar
    OingoBoingo is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    561
    For SQ, it's a good idea to keep injection load at 0.5cc or less.

  3. #3
    Beethoven's Avatar
    Beethoven is offline Productive Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    South Fla
    Posts
    1,470
    Quote Originally Posted by OingoBoingo View Post
    For SQ, it's a good idea to keep injection load at 0.5cc or less.
    Yes. For us on TRT they are smaller doses. For larger doses you're going to have to go IM. I'll go further and say I wouldn't do anymore than .25 cc subq, unless you want to pin in two different places. My .02.

  4. #4
    fireeater49 is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    texas
    Posts
    172
    thanks. what are your thoughts on masteron sq?

  5. #5
    OingoBoingo's Avatar
    OingoBoingo is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    561
    Quote Originally Posted by Beethoven View Post
    Yes. For us on TRT they are smaller doses. For larger doses you're going to have to go IM. I'll go further and say I wouldn't do anymore than .25 cc subq, unless you want to pin in two different places. My .02.
    I've injected 0.3cc with no problems. I think with larger loads the trick is to inject slowly.

  6. #6
    BallSak is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    390
    What is the appeal with doing it SubQ? Less pain, less holes/scars in muscle?

    Lately I've been doing my IM test injections with a 28 gauge by .5" needle. Only because I ran out of my 25 gauge 1 inchers. And I've come to really like them. Absolutely no pain or discomfort and I can't imagine much scarring occuring either. Obviously, they wouldn't work for glute injections (unless your name is kelkel) but work everywhere else if your BF% is reasonable.

  7. #7
    OingoBoingo's Avatar
    OingoBoingo is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    561
    SQ is just as effective as IM, less pain, no holes/scars in muscle, and you don't have to aspirate . What's not to like?

    You like the smaller needle now that you tried it. My needle is 30g, 5/16" and I use it for quads and glutes. It works a treat!

  8. #8
    BallSak is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    390
    SubQ is not as effective for everyone. For some guys, yes. But there are plenty of guys reporting absorption issues and having to go back to IM. So in the case of the OP, why risk injecting additional compounds SubQ if you may not absorb it well?

  9. #9
    OingoBoingo's Avatar
    OingoBoingo is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    561
    Quote Originally Posted by BallSak View Post
    SubQ is not as effective for everyone. For some guys, yes. But there are plenty of guys reporting absorption issues and having to go back to IM. So in the case of the OP, why risk injecting additional compounds SubQ if you may not absorb it well?
    Bro lore.

    Clinical studies show otherwise.

  10. #10
    BallSak is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Posts
    390
    Quote Originally Posted by OingoBoingo View Post
    Bro lore.

    Clinical studies show otherwise.
    Ok..
    j2048b likes this.

  11. #11
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    24,413
    Actually, there are studies going on right now that are attempting to determine the difference , if any.

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02229617

    Sorry about the study group, guys, but I wanted to post a reliable reference.
    j2048b likes this.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  12. #12
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    24,413
    ...and a link to older studies, some that seem to support the idea that the difference may be negligible.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?c...34&sciodt=0,34
    j2048b likes this.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  13. #13
    Beethoven's Avatar
    Beethoven is offline Productive Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    South Fla
    Posts
    1,470
    I personally have and do both. SubQ, at least for me is a little easier. When I do multiple pins I do subQ as the syringes are smaller and accommodate smaller dosages. If I pin .5 cc or more I do IM. I personally haven't noticed that much of a difference with either.

  14. #14
    hawk14dl's Avatar
    hawk14dl is offline Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Posts
    1,592
    I do both. I also load test and hcg in the same pin.

    I've done .7cc of that combination sub q. Some areas lump some don't.

  15. #15
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    29,649
    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Sorry about the study group, guys, but I wanted to post a reliable reference.
    We're not judging you. Seriously....
    almostgone likes this.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  16. #16
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    24,413
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    We're not judging you. Seriously....
    Thanks, Kel!
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •