Interesting Nandrolone Study

[hammerheart]

Great read, thanks. Wonder if this was one of the articles my gf came up with when did her research? Will have to ask her.

However, not to be a naysayer...but...as far as seeing use of deca for TRT in the US in our lifetimes...probably isn't going to happen. I do wonder about the HDL lowering properties as well, as mentioned above.

In my country nandrolone is put on pair with narcotics, and it is recognized by law to cause addiction.

Yep it's going to be a very long way.


Tren on the other hand is only considered to be a veterinarian steroid .

[TRA]

Potentially could an MD prescribe it off label and have a compounding pharmacy fill it?

I guess it's probably state dependent. Here in Florida HRT clinics are in every other strip mall.

Yes, a doc could prescribe but very good chance pharmacy would alert the board/DEA and doc would like get called in by the board and given a reprimand other hand slap. One doc I know of in the state was prescribing GH and had it in her clinic. The DEA came in after reports and she was charged with intent to distribute due to large amount on hand. Ridiculous.

[kelkel]

Potentially could an MD prescribe it off label and have a compounding pharmacy fill it?

I guess it's probably state dependent. Here in Florida HRT clinics are in every other strip mall.

My Uro has and will write me for it. Had to use a compounding pharmacy (owned by a friend actually) to fill it and then self-submit to insurance who reimbursed me for it. Price was ridiculous @ $300 per 10ml vial. Insurance then found a way to weasel out of it (fvckers) so I just get it myself now. Easier that way anyway. To much of a hassle with insurance.

[lntense]

Oh, same feeling on my part. Didn't want to run anymore for that reason - I just feel too good on.

About DHTs, I've tried proviron , winstrol and masteron . The latter makes me feel fever-like sick, while the formers mellow my brain out, it's like taking a benzo, I have even experienced slurred speech on winstrol.

Never tried nandrolone , but DAs works best for me when it comes to sexual sides.

Mast makes you feel sick? Have you tried multiple sources and it still has the same effect? Could have been what that specific lab was using to brew it, my body refuses high BA gear and I get the flu lol.


Winstrol, some people hate it and say it's useless but for me that couldn't be any more false, I love winstrol.. I preferred Masteron always over Proviron, but recently got a new sources proviron and this shit is making me feel GOOD, only 3 days in and my libido is crazy and sense of well being is up. I consider Proviron like a stress reliever, makes me a difficult person to offend.

Before I was using Bayer, and I'm assuming I was always getting fakes.

[hammerheart]

I only did one attempt with masteron but of the lab I used I also tried tren and test, and haven't got such a reaction, unless going high on Test but that also occurs from pharma grade, it's a special reaction of mine to the molecule.

Proviron I got it from pharmacy, yes it's relaxing but I'm already too mellow of a person at baseline, that's my problem. Haven't tried in almost a year though and I'm curious if response would be any different now.

Winstrol has been proved by research to affect GABA transmission in the brain/hypothalamus so that to decrease aggression (in rats), but I don't have the link at hand. I can only take it before bed.

[lntense]

I only did one attempt with masteron but of the lab I used I also tried tren and test, and haven't got such a reaction, unless going high on Test but that also occurs from pharma grade, it's a special reaction of mine to the molecule.

Proviron I got it from pharmacy, yes it's relaxing but I'm already too mellow of a person at baseline, that's my problem. Haven't tried in almost a year though and I'm curious if response would be any different now.

Winstrol has been proved by research to affect GABA transmission in the brain/hypothalamus so that to decrease aggression (in rats), but I don't have the link at hand. I can only take it before bed.

That's interesting, almost like you have an allergy. Do you know if your white blood cell count shoots up? I'm sure it does.

That's why proviron pairs so well with tren and cuts down on the sides.. Mellows you out lol. Won't run tren without it or Mast.

Winstrol I can take it before bed and pass right out, but I can also take it a few hours pre workout and feel increased aggression. Partly due to placebo I'm sure but it definitely has some sort of effect for me, especially when the pump kicks in and I can't bend my arms. Hurts so good.. Mix a little bit of anavar with the winstrol and your arms feel as if they might explode. Highly suggest it if you haven't tried it, very synergistic.


There are those who respond well to dht drugs and love them and those that love them but can't run them due to hairloss/prostate etc.. I'm glad I could care less about hair loss and they don't effect my prostate..(yet)

[MuscleScience]

That's interesting, almost like you have an allergy. Do you know if your white blood cell count shoots up? I'm sure it does.

That's why proviron pairs so well with tren and cuts down on the sides.. Mellows you out lol. Won't run tren without it or Mast.

Winstrol I can take it before bed and pass right out, but I can also take it a few hours pre workout and feel increased aggression. Partly due to placebo I'm sure but it definitely has some sort of effect for me, especially when the pump kicks in and I can't bend my arms. Hurts so good.. Mix a little bit of anavar with the winstrol and your arms feel as if they might explode. Highly suggest it if you haven't tried it, very synergistic.


There are those who respond well to dht drugs and love them and those that love them but can't run them due to hairloss/prostate etc.. I'm glad I could care less about hair loss and they don't effect my prostate..(yet)

Winstrol is awesome for pumps. I start taking it 2-3 weeks before a show for that. It also seems to keep your pumps longer too. It gives me night sweets but I kinda like it, makes me feel like I'm shredding while sleeping..lol

[kelkel]

There are those who respond well to dht drugs and love them and those that love them but can't run them due to hairloss/prostate etc.. I'm glad I could care less about hair loss and they don't effect my prostate..(yet)

Yet being the operative word as it sneaks up on you.

[lntense]

Winstrol is awesome for pumps. I start taking it 2-3 weeks before a show for that. It also seems to keep your pumps longer too. It gives me night sweets but I kinda like it, makes me feel like I'm shredding while sleeping..lol

I've heard guys say they stay flat on it because it dries you out, but not for me. It's different than like a dbol pump, it's much harder and leaves me immobile feeling. But I love it.

I don't get night sweats from it, but I also cut out the carbs before 8pm. Otherwise I sweat like a pig regardless of what I'm on.

[lntense]

Yet being the operative word as it sneaks up on you.

Oh, I'm fully aware. That's why I mentioned that with respect towards it. My day is coming I'm sure. Going to enjoy the minimal amount of sides I get currently and just try and do everything with as healthy of an approach as possible.

[kelkel]

My psa changed about a year ago on my last test cycle. Now it has a f'n mind of it's own, or so it seems.

[hammerheart]

That's interesting, almost like you have an allergy. Do you know if your white blood cell count shoots up? I'm sure it does.

That's why proviron pairs so well with tren and cuts down on the sides.. Mellows you out lol. Won't run tren without it or Mast.

Winstrol I can take it before bed and pass right out, but I can also take it a few hours pre workout and feel increased aggression. Partly due to placebo I'm sure but it definitely has some sort of effect for me, especially when the pump kicks in and I can't bend my arms. Hurts so good.. Mix a little bit of anavar with the winstrol and your arms feel as if they might explode. Highly suggest it if you haven't tried it, very synergistic.


There are those who respond well to dht drugs and love them and those that love them but can't run them due to hairloss/prostate etc.. I'm glad I could care less about hair loss and they don't effect my prostate..(yet)

Nah it's not allergy it's just the way I'm wired and also the reason I'm seeking alternatives, adding a bit of Tren shouldn't hurt and personally I only started experiencing (very mild) sides when going up to 300mg weekly, which is waaay more than I need.

I've played with winstrol but never got any pump, in fact I even experience a worsening with muscles going flaccid/soft, most likely because of the CNS "downer" effect.

Tren it's the opposite, even as low as 40mg weekly will yield better muscle conditioning than blast doses of Test.

[hammerheart]

Winstrol is awesome for pumps. I start taking it 2-3 weeks before a show for that. It also seems to keep your pumps longer too. It gives me night sweets but I kinda like it, makes me feel like I'm shredding while sleeping..lol

Night sweats from winstrol ? Now that's a weird one. Do you think it's from progestational activity?

[MuscleScience]

Night sweats from winstrol? Now that's a weird one. Do you think it's from progestational activity?

I couldn't tell you to be honest.