Clomid HRT 3 month Treatment

**fossilk1** · 09-05-2017, 11:20 AM

Hello, I just wanted to get some input on my HRT my doctor prescribed me. I am taking 25mg ED for a course of time until he bumps me up to 50mg. I am currently 28yrs, 200lb, 6'1". I currently have low T, LH, FSH, DHT, E2 from a 6 month cycle I did. All the info is at this link for my current labs. I was wondering if this is the correct path to revive natural T levels?

Blood work T level 2120

**kelkel** · 09-05-2017, 01:35 PM

Did you ever get the MRI? If not, why since your LH is perennially low?
Clomid is a form of TRT, specifically suited to those wishing to preserve fertility. It stimulates the pituitary to increash LH/FSH production and this testosterone downstream. Problem is will your pituitary sustain any elevated function once this trial ceases? That's always the question with any form or pct or serm therapy. Odds are if you were low before your cycle you will return to that same level unless you can find and fix the causative factor, if there is one that is definable.

To answer your question directly, there's nothing wrong with trying this course of action and then seeing if endogenous levels improve.

**fossilk1** · 09-05-2017, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Did you ever get the MRI? If not, why since your LH is perennially low?
Clomid is a form of TRT, specifically suited to those wishing to preserve fertility. It stimulates the pituitary to increash LH/FSH production and this testosterone downstream. Problem is will your pituitary sustain any elevated function once this trial ceases? That's always the question with any form or pct or serm therapy. Odds are if you were low before your cycle you will return to that same level unless you can find and fix the causative factor, if there is one that is definable.

To answer your question directly, there's nothing wrong with trying this course of action and then seeing if endogenous levels improve.

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately my insurance rejected the claim for a MRI due to the fact that my ACTH, FSH and LH were in just about normal ranges and improved from pass blood work. Plus my symptoms of not having a headache or vision loss indicated my pituitary was okay (so the doctors think).

On a side note, my doctor did mention a drug that was not approve in the US (approved in Europe) as of yet that started with the letter 'A' and basically was better than Clomid? He also mentioned it will be every expensive, curious what this drug is?

**kelkel** · 09-05-2017, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by fossilk1

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately my insurance rejected the claim for a MRI due to the fact that my ACTH, FSH and LH were in just about normal ranges and improved from pass blood work. Plus my symptoms of not having a headache or vision loss indicated my pituitary was okay (so the doctors think).

On a side note, my doctor did mention a drug that was not approve in the US (approved in Europe) as of yet that started with the letter 'A' and basically was better than Clomid? He also mentioned it will be every expensive, curious what this drug is?

Well that's a shame they wouldn't allow it. Improvement in LH/FSH I can buy into as a reason not to but headache and vision loss are not always present in pituitary adenomas. Trust me, I'm the proud owner of a small micro-adenoma. No clue on a different serm starting with "A" but regardless there's no magic bullet. Clomid will provide enough stimulation assuming proper functionion of your HPTA.

**fossilk1** · 09-05-2017, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Well that's a shame they wouldn't allow it. Improvement in LH/FSH I can buy into as a reason not to but headache and vision loss are not always present in pituitary adenomas. Trust me, I'm the proud owner of a small micro-adenoma. No clue on a different serm starting with "A" but regardless there's no magic bullet. Clomid will provide enough stimulation assuming proper functionion of your HPTA.

Yeah, it may be out of context but my endocrinologist said if you have head aches go see an neurologist and maybe they will give you an MRI, I laughed. A lot of my communication between my doctor is stored in email so if something were to happen I would have a nice lawsuit.

But I am well aware of your micro-adenoma. I have read some of your past experiences related to the pituitary, I am glad you are doing well. I am actually quite excited to see how Clomid holds up compared to the black market Clomid I would get. I definitely don't want to be on Lexapro 20mg for longer than a few months. Hopefully once my Testosterone increases my anxiety will dissipate.

**kelkel** · 09-05-2017, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by fossilk1

I definitely don't want to be on Lexapro 20mg for longer than a few months. Hopefully once my Testosterone increases my anxiety will dissipate.

Odds are it will. Update this thread and let us know please.

**dikow** · 09-05-2017, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

No clue on a different serm starting with "A" but regardless there's no magic bullet.

Probably Androxal/Enclomiphene? This drug seems a great idea but I think they are still on testing phase for this drug.

**kelkel** · 09-05-2017, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by dikow

Probably Androxal/Enclomiphene? This drug seems a great idea but I think they are still on testing phase for this drug.

Could be. Thought of that but assumed the op meant something already on the market.

**dikow** · 09-05-2017, 08:05 PM

OP, are you having any side effects from Clomid such as the eye floaters?

**fossilk1** · 09-06-2017, 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by dikow

Probably Androxal/Enclomiphene? This drug seems a great idea but I think they are still on testing phase for this drug.

Originally Posted by dikow

OP, are you having any side effects from Clomid such as the eye floaters?

Yes, I believe it was Androxal, the doctor made it sound like it was already on the market but not in the US.

No, eye floaters. I am only on day 2 now. Slight head ache waking up this morning.

One question I had in regards to Clomid is when I come towards the end of my cycle, do I need to tapper off? Also I have read that taking an AI at the very end of the cycle is suppose to help with the estrogen receptors? I just want to provide all the right information to my doctor so I can come off as smooth as possible.

**dikow** · 09-07-2017, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by fossilk1

Yes, I believe it was Androxal, the doctor made it sound like it was already on the market but not in the US.

Can you ask him where Androxal is available? I would be interested in buying...

Originally Posted by fossilk1

No eye floaters. I am only on day 2 now. Slight head ache waking up this morning. One question I had in regards to Clomid is when I come towards the end of my cycle, do I need to tapper off?

If I were in your shoes I would reduce the dose immediately to avoid any possibility of eye damage, at least 12.5 mg EOD. I am getting results with only 6.25 mg twice a week. Doctors won't take any responsibility if you get these sides, neither the manufacturer...

Originally Posted by fossilk1

Also I have read that taking an AI at the very end of the cycle is supposed to help with the estrogen receptors? I just want to provide all the right information to my doctor so I can come off as smooth as possible.

Not sure about using an AI, I always try to flush out estrogen with diet and natural supplements. I personally try to stay away from drugs as much as possible.

**fossilk1** · 09-08-2017, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by dikow

Can you ask him where Androxal is available? I would be interested in buying...

If I were in your shoes I would reduce the dose immediately to avoid any possibility of eye damage, at least 12.5 mg EOD. I am getting results with only 6.25 mg twice a week. Doctors won't take any responsibility if you get these sides, neither the manufacturer...

Not sure about using an AI, I always try to flush out estrogen with diet and natural supplements. I personally try to stay away from drugs as much as possible.

I'm not sure is he will tell me where to get Androxal, but I can try during my next visit.
EDIT: I actually found some at Geo peptides but it's a drip... not sure if I would trust it.

In regards to the rare eye possible side effects, I grew up with terrible eye sight and dry eyes, which I corrected with lasik surgery. My vision is great now but I'm used to halo vision or troubles with focusing.

From what I have read and please correct me if I am wrong but Androxal doesn't have Zuclomephene in it, that is why Everyone wants it? This is the compound which has something to do with estrogen receptors? So from what I have read a very low Adex 1-2 week .5 my cycle may benefit more coming off Clomid

**dikow** · 09-09-2017, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by fossilk1

I'm not sure is he will tell me where to get Androxal, but I can try during my next visit.
EDIT: I actually found some at Geo peptides but it's a drip... not sure if I would trust it.

In regards to the rare eye possible side effects, I grew up with terrible eye sight and dry eyes, which I corrected with lasik surgery. My vision is great now but I'm used to halo vision or troubles with focusing.

From what I have read and please correct me if I am wrong but Androxal doesn't have Zuclomephene in it, that is why Everyone wants it? This is the compound which has something to do with estrogen receptors? So from what I have read a very low Adex 1-2 week .5 my cycle may benefit more coming off Clomid

Keep in mind that the eye damage can be permanent.

I never used AIs, but I think stacking an AI would be too many drugs though. If you wanna use an AI you can just stick to it and drop Clomid. I am aware of successful cases of AI mono-therapy with Aromasin , that managed to increase T and free T substantially.

**fossilk1** · 09-10-2017, 10:06 AM

Yeah I will continue my Lexapro, Vesicare and Clomid. Not trying to set myself further back.

Depending on my labs the doctor said he might bump me up to 50mg. Maybe I will just suggest HCG instead?

I want to exhaust all possibilities before resorting back to Test injections. But regulated

**fossilk1** · 09-14-2017, 05:23 AM

Update:

So it seems 25mg of Clomid is working. 10 days so far and my urination has really made an improvement.

I have never heard of low TT, estradiol, and DHT causing frequent urination, this is new to me.

Only unusual thing was temp was 99.4.

BP 123/80/72

**dikow** · 09-29-2017, 04:23 PM

Does anybody happen to have any info on Clomid cycling? I am thinking of cycling Clomid instead of continuing with this drug regularly in my system. Would you happen to know this and also how often Clomid can be cycled again?

I'm currently on a twice a week 6.25 mg regimen and wanted to know if I need to titrate the dose down to once a week before stopping or if I can just stop it now.

Cheers.

**fossilk1** · 10-22-2017, 09:24 AM

Update:

I just wanted to let everyone know my urination was the result of crashed Estradiol E2. I am currently still taking 25mg of Clomiphene Citrate everyday for just about 2 months now with 10,000iu Vitamin D3. I feel a lot better now, I have no issues with urinating at this moment.

My doctor will be tapering my Clomid very soon to come off. Hopefully my endocrine system pulls it’s own weight.

My crashed estrogen took 6 months to recover.

**macmathews** · 10-25-2017, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by fossilk1

Update:

I just wanted to let everyone know my urination was the result of crashed Estradiol E2. I am currently still taking 25mg of Clomiphene Citrate everyday for just about 2 months now with 10,000iu Vitamin D3. I feel a lot better now, I have no issues with urinating at this moment.

My doctor will be tapering my Clomid very soon to come off. Hopefully my endocrine system pulls it’s own weight.

My crashed estrogen took 6 months to recover.

Is this normal or even possible to take 6 months to recover from crashed E2 ?

**fossilk1** · 10-28-2017, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by macmathews

Is this normal or even possible to take 6 months to recover from crashed E2 ?

Sure, I mean I am a prime example. But from what I have been researching and hearing it can take longer. Everybody is different. Adex should only be taken if you have gyno, period. That shit is dangerous if used incorrectly.