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STUCK! Great thread thanks!
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06-25-2018, 11:14 PM #45New Member
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Bookmarked! Great thread. I'd probably also recommend this post for additional info, particularly re: some of the questions in this thread around age and safety etc. Just my $0.2c!
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07-04-2018, 11:46 AM #46Senior Member
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I'm glad so many people are fining this information useful!
For the newbies, a couple of general pieces of advice:
1) Be very cautious and questioning of ANYTHING you read on the internet, or even in this forum, regarding TRT. There is so much misinformation of there. As I tried to lay out in the original post, TRT is not all that complicated and people who try to make it complicated (or want to sell you something) generally have ulterior motives.
2) Understand and question the perspective of the person giving you advice. There are a lot of guys out there giving advice on TRT that is really anabolic steroid use . It's more appropriately called "Blast and Cruse". Where they alternate high doses of T with more normal TRT doses. THIS IS NOT TRT! The goal of a good TRT program is to maintain stable levels of T at all times and to keep you within normal physiological levels for T at all times. It needs to be sustainable for a lifetime.
3) Ask questions of the people giving you advice, understand their perspective, and be sure that their goals are compatible with yours.
Good luck!
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07-09-2018, 09:20 AM #47Junior Member
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Thanks for the tip!!!
They gave me a box of 200 syringes, 300 18g × 1.5" needles, 300 22g 1" needles, 600 alcohol pads, and a sharps container LOL!!!
Not exactly what I was looking for but I can make it work.
I was expecting a handful of needles LOL!
The strange thing is I can't find 28g 1" needle's anywhere around here. I've even tried to have Shoppers order themLast edited by Wyatt 88; 07-09-2018 at 02:19 PM.
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08-06-2018, 05:38 AM #48Associate Member
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Youthful55guy, can I ask why you prefer to inject into the middle area (rectus femoris)? It's always painful for me to inject there, but when I use the outer region (vastus lateralis) I usually have zero pain.
Also, here they recommend to use the inner and outer heads as well (it's not for TRT though, with larger needles):
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08-06-2018, 06:10 PM #49There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
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08-06-2018, 09:00 PM #50Senior Member
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Mostly because this is where my hormone doctor who is well respected in this area instructed me to inject. It have few nerve endings and no major blood vessels. I don't feel any discomfort at all, so I don't try to fix what isn't broken. Well, actually, I did try SC once again over a two week period. Big mistake. My stomach looks like someone punched me in the gut. For whatever reason I bruise easily with SC. We're all different I guess!
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08-12-2018, 10:36 PM #51Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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Just to add on...
While having a TRT Protocol dialed in if you start at higher dose and determine a lower dose would be more beneficial, I would have a conservation with the doctor saying to keep the prescription the same but independently adjust the dose. My first endo wrote a new script every time my dose changed whereas the endo I have now has my prescription set up as 200 mg/week with an arbitrarily high number of refills. My protocol is only 150mg/wk split into 2 injections. The benefit to this is I get to "bank" 50mg of Test per week, which over a year is 2600mg. The vials are 5mL, 200mg/mL netting a total of 3 extra vials for the year. This accomplishes a few things
- No need to panic if I drop and smash a vial as it's essentially an extra (Happened once before)
- If I travel out of the country and for one reason or another I don't get my vial on the way back to the motherland it's an extra
- Extra reserve for any unforeseen circumstances (backorder of product, natural disasters [my pharmacy flooded once and got shutdown for awhile, they had to transfer everyone to another Pharmacy on the other side of town which was a process in itself], financial problems, etc
- Technically every 12 months I would have accumulated enough "extra" test for a "Free" 12 week cycle of 400mg/wk Test if I intend to blast at that dose.
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Hey guys, please note that I edited the original post to include some graphs from that cool site that someone posted a link to. Here's the link in case you are interested in playing with the graphs yourself: http://steroidcalc.com/.
The site is oriented toward anabolic steroid use , but I have found it to be extremely useful in understanding hormone levels for medically necessary TRT.
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now that my doc has changed me to the e3d protocol, when should I do my HCG ? Should I break that up over multiple weekly doses as well? I don't know the conversion, but I fill my insulin vial to 50. Old protocol once a week, 3 days after my once a week cyp injection. I would presume that I should break the hcg up as well? Thanks for your help.
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10-04-2018, 05:05 AM #54Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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You can pin HCG any time it doesn't matter. Most people just do it the same 2 days as their Test to make it consistent and simple.
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I really want to stress the benefits of e3d the OP talked about. I was having pretty bad parathesia when pinning once a week, IM in the glutes. After clearing it with my TRT doc, I have switched to e3d with an insulin syringe into my quad. What a difference it has made. I am now looking on Amazon to buy my insulin syringes b/c my clinic isn't very excited about giving me enough insulin syringes to keep up this protocol. Not sure why b/c they are inexpensive on Amazon. The one thing I am having issues finding, is the 1 inch needle. I can find 5/8's all day but not 1 inch. I really want to find 1 inch so I can ensure I get it IM in my quads. I have very little fat on my quads. Maybe 5/8's is okay?
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10-10-2018, 11:19 AM #57
With the small amounts used for TRT it does not have to be one inch deep or IM. It really doesn't matter if it's a combination of both.
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10-10-2018, 11:44 AM #58
5/8 or 1/2 inch are just fine for TRT ...
From experience only 5/8 and higher if doing more liquid as it can build up under the skin and can lead to not fun stuff ... I’m speaking on experience Hah.
If you are lean .... you can get away with 1/2 inch all over the body and the greatest part about it ... it’s basically painless.
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09-17-2020, 07:35 PM #60
Fantastic thread! My doc has me on 500mg every 3 weeks for my TRT so I'm definitely going to be switching that to 167mg per week split into 84mg (0.42ml) every 3.5 days... I will have to try the HCG later and see how that goes... Thank You Y55 and others for the great info!
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01-03-2021, 11:43 AM #61
Very interested in learning some more about using your protocol to control SHBG as I have a consistently high hematocrit that requires donating more frequently than is possible. This obviously creates complications with my doctor always trying to drop my prescribed dosage as a result. Could you provide more specific information with how I would look to incorporate the Stan (dosage with EOD injections)? I currently pin about 50 test cyp eod, and am returning to an old protocol of supplementing it with 30 deca eod to alleviate joint issues, ongoing when on TRT or cycle.
Thanks in advance!
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05-06-2022, 01:48 AM #62New Member
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Hey all,
just a 55y old newbie from Greece here wanting to start TRT. I have been a lot in these forums and got my knowledge up and running thanks to all of you. I still have some questions though:
for how long could someone do TRT? Are there any recommended cycles or is it perpetual, i.e. once you start you never stop?
I currently live in Germany and there is the possibility to get the 3 month injection covered by the health insurance but as I have read ion these forums it is not exactly the best or have I got it wrong?
Is it recommendable along with T-CYP and hCG to use something that accelerates fat burning? If yes which substance?
I am currently slightly overweight with 22% fat. I started a healthy diet again but is it recommendable to go on TRT to among other things help loose weight? Or is is better to start a beginner's cycle in AS? I am training for years and have more than a good basis but muscular development low fat % are still needy.
Thank you in advance for all you answers.
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Great stuff here! I really appreciate all the info. What level estrogen would constitute using an AI. I’m currently on 140mg T, but the last time I had blood work done a few weeks ago, my E was around 30. I’m currently taking .75mg of AI from the TRT clinic. Is this acceptable, or should I back off the AI?
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And cialis is also great for a pre workout. I’ve been getting the 5mg from my TRT clinic and they work like a charm
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Is IM or subcutaneous injections more effective for hcg ? Why?
How much would you suggest taking if you nuts were already shrunk from not using it? 250x2/wk then drop to 100x2/wk?
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Yes sir, when you drop your estrogen down to nothing you generally feel shitty and ache like hell. Try backin off the AI some next time.
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