Why is it that sometimes I feel great and other times I feel like ass? (BW included)

**ks1234** · 08-10-2021, 08:57 AM

Edit- update posted below

I'm 32, 6'3, 215-220ish, around 15% BF, I workout almost everyday (gym 2-3x a week and I run around 25-30 miles per week). I've been on TRT for 6 years now.

So, this is something I've struggled with for the last few years and I can't seem to get it figured out. My main issue with TRT is sometimes I feel amazing, and that feeling will last for either days or sometimes a few weeks (euphoria, rock hard bones, great sex drive, morning wood for hours, etc) and then literally a couple of hours after I take a shot, everything changes, sex drive plummets, no morning wood the next day, anxiety creeps up, when I do have sex my erections are soft even on 5mg of cialis. There's no pattern or anything to it. I can do everything the exact same for a few weeks and feel awesome then one day after an injection BOOM, hit with all of the issues I described and there's no way of knowing when it will be.
Over the years I've had my protocol all over the place, for awhile I was doing 160mg of test with 1000iu of hcg in one shot and doing .5mg of adex 2x a week. Then I went 180mg of test with no hcg and .5 MG of adex 1x a week, then I lowered it down to 120mg of test and 300iu of hcg and no AI. My most recent blood work (taken on injection day but before my injection) was the 120mg of test with the 300iu of hcg, I was feeling good for a few weeks then my boners went away and I took .33 MG of adex thinking my e2 got high but then I couldn't get hard to save my life, massive anxiety, BP shot through the roof, etc etc.
I switched over to doing 60 MG of test m-t and 300 iu of hcg mwf and no AI a couple of weeks ago and that is my current protocol and I was feeling great (literally woke up yesterday with a raging boner and ready to bang a hole in the wall, took my shot yesterday and woke up today feeling like a kitten).
Does anyone have any idea WTF is going on? Why am I so all over the place with my sex drive and energy levels? Anyone have any suggestions on what I can try to just feel "pretty good" 90% of the time? I love when I feel like superman but I'd trade feeling "good" consistently over these swings any day of the week

Its something I've been struggling with for years and I've posted about it on the forum before and I can't seem to get it locked down

**almostgone** · 08-10-2021, 12:32 PM

Just have time for a very brief glance at the moment, but one thing I noticed is your E2 is on the lower third of the range. Most guys ( me included) feel better with estrogen at the upper end of the range or maybe just a dab over.

See if you can get by without the a.i., but keep monitoring E2. Keep in mind E2 levels and DHT are big contributors to libido.

My protocol isn't much different from yours. I'm scripted 150mg cyp/week, but inject 60mg Weds. and Saturday, and 250iu HCG 2x/week, usually on the same day I inject my test.

Again, I can't look through everything at the moment, but your activity level is pretty high. Do you ever allow yourself a day or two off...(or even a week off)?? Also, I think it's natural to not feel on top of the world every day. Some days I wake up and want to repopulate the world and then spend the rest of the day lifting. Then there are days that I just as soon not crawl out of bed.

Some of the other guys will chime in soon, I imagine.

**Test Monsterone** · 08-10-2021, 12:52 PM

Hmm I almost never get morning wood... but I don't base how I feel on if I get hard or not. Sex drive also relates to stress, sleep, energy, diet, etc.

If you're injecting HCG and TRT on the same day... don't. HCG should be injected the day before your test shot. 300 IU is good. I would keep test at 125 mg/week. Inject every 3rd day if you could. Seems that maybe you process and convert these chemicals quickly, which may be why you get the fluctuations. I'd do every third day for both test and hcg. HCG always the day before test.

Did you feel great every day when your T levels were normal? I know I didn't.

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-11-2021, 03:13 PM

I'm thinking two possibilities:

(1) Low estrogen if you're taking the AI the same day as your T injection (like almostgone said)

(2) It's all psychological, and the injecting of T is the psychological trigger

I have an idea of what you mean by 'feel like superman', and it's not an emotion that well-grounded people typically feel -- it's an emotion felt by people who are always bouncing around and never really settle mentally.

I knew a guy one time who worked out 7 days a week, he was my friend and he had a lot of problems, and he wound up dying of an overdose last year. But anyway I'd say take at least 2 days off per week. I'd feel like shit if my life was just constant exercise, or just constant work, or just constant.... anything. Even back when I was doing yoga by myself at home ever day, I still took days off.

There's other ways of prodding at how you feel... reading the bible, chanting with beads, etc. Actually this Friday I'm going to a Buddhist meditation centre. There's a guy near me here who owns his own gym, and he's doing really well since he started going to mosque. Whatever works.

**Test Monsterone** · 08-11-2021, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Fluidic Kimbo

I have an idea of what you mean by 'feel like superman', and it's not an emotion that well-grounded people typically feel -- it's an emotion felt by people who are always bouncing around and never really settle mentally.

I knew a guy one time who worked out 7 days a week, he was my friend and he had a lot of problems, and he wound up dying of an overdose last year. But anyway I'd say take at least 2 days off per week. I'd feel like shit if my life was just constant exercise, or just constant work, or just constant.... anything. Even back when I was doing yoga by myself at home ever day, I still took days off.

There's other ways of prodding at how you feel... reading the bible, chanting with beads, etc. Actually this Friday I'm going to a Buddhist meditation centre. There's a guy near me here who owns his own gym, and he's doing really well since he started going to mosque. Whatever works.

You hit the nail on the head. I know that feeling as well, and it is often followed by periods of deep dissatisfaction. It may be fun when you’re feeling on top, but the higher you are, the harder you fall.

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-12-2021, 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Test Monsterone

You hit the nail on the head. I know that feeling as well, and it is often followed by periods of deep dissatisfaction. It may be fun when you’re feeling on top, but the higher you are, the harder you fall.

I had a 'superman' day a few weeks ago. Everything was going well for me that day, I'd just driven across the Irish border to go see a German tutor, I was very happy with how my German was coming along, and I was feeling pretty elated about life in general, you might say I thought I was 'winning at life'. Driving home in my car from my German lesson across the border, I pulled out onto the left side of the road to overtake and floored the gas pedal, but then there was a car coming in the distance, so I pulled over further to the left onto the breakdown lane, kept accelerating, drove past the oncoming car, and then drove diagonally across two lanes to complete my overtake manoeuvrer.

What I did was fucking retarded. On the days afterward I was trying to talk sense into myself, giving myself hypotheticals like "If I picked up a rental car from the airport in the Canary Islands, would I drive it like that down the freeway?". If I had a son or daughter who I'd given a car to, and if I saw them driving like that, I'd remove the car from them before they kill themselves (or someone else).

I think these little pocket bursts of emotional elation ('superman') are the result of momentary realisations that one's life isn't shit -- which of course would only become a conscious observation if the person had had a bad few days/weeks/months/years -- heck, a bad life.

You can't win at relationships, and you can't win at life. The very best we're all hoping for is a zero sum game. Our loved one's die, our children grow up, we get old, we take injuries, we lose friends, our personal projects fall apart. The solution to the human condition is to grin your teeth and bear it -- whistle a little tune and pretend it's all okay because there's nothing you can do about it. That is true freedom: Having a shit situation and knowing there's absolutely nothing you can do about it -- there's no pressure, no impulse to act. There is only relaxation and intrigue.

Some people think that religion/faith is necessary in order to live a happy human life -- because otherwise we'd see the reality of what our existence really is: that our children and grandchildren will have a burial to deal with, among other certainties. Trusting in Jesus, or waiting for the Day of Judgement, helps some people greatly in this matter. But there are other people who have no belief nor disbelief about what's next after this life -- and rather than dwell on it and roll around it, they've just decided to relax and enjoy what they have here while they have it. It is what it is.

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-12-2021, 02:40 AM

(I'm actually from Europe so it was the right lane, the accelerator, the hard shoulder, and the motorway)

**almostgone** · 08-12-2021, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Cylon357

OP, you don't by chance have an AI blended into your test, do you? It's a long shot, but you never know...

I hate to see places doing that. One guy I work with uses an online service that does that.1mg of anastrozole/200mg of cyp.

**< <Samson> >** · 08-14-2021, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

I hate to see places doing that. One guy I work with uses an online service that does that.1mg of anastrozole/200mg of cyp.

Ewwwww!!!!

I’ll stick to my bathtub brewer

Real answer tho, it’s always up/down - it’s very hard to keep that “Superman” feel constant

It’s kinda y I pyramid all my gear throughout the year. . . I’m back down to only 120mg of test weekly rn & I feel amazing. This is after being on 250mg of test(+ other compounds) for months

**Quester** · 08-14-2021, 05:24 PM

How often do you inject the test?
Also, E is necessary for sexual function. So when you dropped the dose it made it harder to get it up. Other side of coin: dose goes to high and something else bad happens, such as you can't get it up.
With regard to all BW and everything else in science and statistics, the range fits 99% of people. 68% are tight in the extreme middle, the other 31% are still greater in number toward the center. And, there are factors to consider, E production and E sensitivity, for instance, there are most likely many more but still very minimal deviation from the center. So, if you have AB- blood type, have won the lottery, been hit by lightning...odds are that everything else about you is 100% in the middle. Forest Gump is just Hollywood.

**Quester** · 08-14-2021, 05:30 PM

Also, if you are reading this and you are perfectly vanilla in every way, you have a 99% chance of staying that way and nothing unusual ever happening to you...that's good news.
Dr. Spock, the childhood development guy that told everyone they were special in the 70s, was a moron. Being normal is a gift, your car seat will fit you, evolutionary behavior fits your response pattern to stimuli, people are comfortable around you, your immune system functions properly, self-help books apply to you but are unnecessary, etc.

**Quester** · 08-14-2021, 05:57 PM

Easy advice to give:
Care less how you feel, do not be in touch with your feelings. Feelings come and go, pay no mind to them unless there is a problem. Usually, feelings are best solved by minimization. Instead focus on your surrounds, predict your surroundings, respond according to your best options, then move your mind onto your current surroundings. Continually improve by brief analysis of the successfulness of your response, briefly dig deeper if necessary but remember while doing so that your environment still requires your attention, prediction and a disciplined response.

**Test Monsterone** · 08-16-2021, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Ewwwww!!!!

I’ll stick to my bathtub brewer

Real answer tho, it’s always up/down - it’s very hard to keep that “Superman” feel constant

It’s kinda y I pyramid all my gear throughout the year. . . I’m back down to only 120mg of test weekly rn & I feel amazing. This is after being on 250mg of test(+ other compounds) for months

I'm down to 120, too. I feel natty as fuck. My gf thinks there's a problem cause I'm not squeezing her ass constantly. It does feel a lot healthier. I can actually breathe better when I'm working out. Pumps are nowhere like how they were while I was on. Sleep is 10x better.

**ks1234** · 08-18-2021, 12:14 PM

Update- a little less than 2 weeks ago I started on EOD injections with a 1/2 inch insulin syringe. It took about a week for me to level out but almost all of my issues have been 80-90% rectified. I do .2CC of test EOD and 150IU of HCG EOD and I feel really really good. No highs or lows and my dick has been working like it should. Overall I'm really really happy with how I'm feeling so far

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-18-2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by ks1234

Update- a little less than 2 weeks ago I started on EOD injections with a 1/2 inch insulin syringe. It took about a week for me to level out but almost all of my issues have been 80-90% rectified. I do .2CC of test EOD and 150IU of HCG EOD and I feel really really good. No highs or lows and my dick has been working like it should. Overall I'm really really happy with how I'm feeling so far

If you use Nebido then you might get away with weekly injections. About a year or two ago I posted on this forum a spreadsheet I made that showed graphs of blood levels.

Nebido is the longest ester Testosterone you can get, it's Testosterone Undecanoate with a half life of about 34 days (yes, thirty four days).

Of course if you ever do get Nebido, you'd have to take a massive frontloading dose of it. But after the frontloading dose, you'd be fine with weekly injections.

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-18-2021, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Fluidic Kimbo

About a year or two ago I posted on this forum a spreadsheet I made that showed graphs of blood levels.

I found the thread:

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...od-graphs.html

**< <Samson> >** · 08-18-2021, 01:00 PM

I do weekly injections of test & primo rn(125mg & 150mg) + HCG 2x a week - and, I feel just fine

But, we are all different - I’ve heard plenty of guys say they feel like crap unless they at least spike up twice weekly

Some say eod, some even say daily - depending on what compounds they r on

Takes a while to figure out what our own body likes

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-18-2021, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by < <Samson> >

Some say eod, some even say daily - depending on what compounds they r on

If I do a 3-month cycle of dosing EOD, I'm pretty sick of needles by the end of it.

If I was cruising on a TRT dose, I'd get really tired of pinning EOD. I'd try to get the longest ester possible and inject less frequently.