Where's Gdevine???

**APIs** · 05-14-2013, 10:18 AM

Thanks for the explanation Admin, this explains a lot. If you look deep enough, you’ll find most everyone has some type of agenda (good or bad). While truly a valued & knowledgeable member here, GD had been pushing this on-line pharmacy for years. I was aware that he received a 30% credit (off his future orders) for all referrals, but I did not know he received extra commissions paid on top of this. Pretty crafty on his part, but at the expense of hurting the legitimacy of what this site represents. Not to mention, it certainly undermined what you’re trying to achieve as a business owner. I tried this pharmacy site once out of curiosity, but realized the safety & efficacy of the products could not be confirmed. Live & learn I guess.

As a business owner, I understand your actions on the matter. Most people don’t realize how tough it is running your own business. You operate your business day-to-day utilizing other people’s strengths & abilities. When you find that a key-person (whether paid or not) has a hidden agenda, it can be a very difficult situation to deal with. It doesn’t matter what “perceived” importance that person may hold in the organization. They must go in the end. There is no other recourse.

I would like to think there is another group of people on the site that may not have been recognized. Those whose lives have been truly enhanced by TRT that wish to make a contribution by sharing their experiences in an effort to help others. These people may not be on the site every day, but they choose to contribute as much as their daily lives & responsibilities permit.

People should realize that no one-person has all the answers on an internet forum. Very few people here actually hold a certified Medical Degree. Everything else here is really nothing more than personal experience and/or acquired book-smarts. The information presented here should be used as a reference only. Important decisions pertaining to TRT should be made under the guidance of a Medical Doctor who specializes in this field…

**powerlifterty16** · 05-14-2013, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by bass

regarding PMs that was a joke! and thanks for the explanation. I've seen this happen before and nothing will change, I am sorry to see him go but you got to do what you got to do.

not that i mind, but im confused why was my post quoted, i never mentioned gd's pms? unless im missing something here?

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

not that i mind, but im confused why was my post quoted, i never mentioned gd's pms? unless im missing something here?

I don't think he intended to quote you.

**xcraider37** · 05-14-2013, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by GotNoBlueMilk

Well, that 40% commission made his posts here a job (gathering more followers and commission), not a gift. No wonder he was so prolific here.

I will miss his posts, though.

I think the thing many miss about GD is he never really gave advice on anything that you couldn't find yourself, most of his knowledge was from DR. Crisler, I guess for some of the lazy guys it was easy. Curious how he got his name changed to steroid .com 1? Has that Id
been banned also?

**jasondd1** · 05-14-2013, 11:10 AM

Ive got no dog in this fight but Gdevine was very helpful and didn't push any products on me.

**powerlifterty16** · 05-14-2013, 11:27 AM

anyone tied so closely with crisler will eventually turn for the worst...crisler gives me the chills

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I think the thing many miss about GD is he never really gave advice on anything that you couldn't find yourself, most of his knowledge was from DR. Crisler, I guess for some of the lazy guys it was easy. Curious how he got his name changed to steroid .com 1? Has that Id
been banned also?

**bass** · 05-14-2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

not that i mind, but im confused why was my post quoted, i never mentioned gd's pms? unless im missing something here?

LOL, I meat to quote *Admin*!

**TraceMYD** · 05-14-2013, 04:00 PM

He may have broken the rules here. I agree is not acceptable. Bad move.

However, Almost every Internet company has a referral /affiliate program. It's a very common thing for people to compensated for their time and efforts.

I think people should know it's a very common practice in today's world and there is nothing wrong with making affiliate commissions or being compensated if you are not breaking the rules.

I can guarantee almost everyone in the world who goes on the Internet has clicked on a link not knowing that someone is getting some sort of commission if you make a purchase.

Even lowT.com has one a referral program as a incentive to promote their services.

If I was a client lowt.com I would be promoting the hell out of them because their referral program looks great.

Lowt mike is there a way to promote lowt and be compensated without actually being a client of lowT.com?

If so can you send me a pm to discuss.

**junk2222yard** · 05-14-2013, 04:29 PM

I am not aware of gd's PMs obviously, but what he was doing in this public forum was in no way "pushing". I couldn't care less about if someone gets a commission or not for directing me to a product. Does it work, and did I get value for my money, would be my concerns.

That said, I never used an products or services recommended by gd. I guess you could say the only things he "pushed" on to me were wisdom and good advice.

**bass** · 05-14-2013, 05:10 PM

and remember GD may have broken rules of this forum but his advice was spot on, and really wanted to help more than make a buck, at least to me because we communicate via email and he never pushed anything on me, it was me who asked for recommendations.

although I conceder GD to be my good friend, I support Admin's actions and have to trust that he did the right thing. what I resent is some members seem so eager to kick the horse when its down, but when GD was here they all praised him and thanked him for being there.

**human project** · 05-14-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Guys,

The site is not going down, as this type of situation happens on a regular basis around here.

The reason for GD being banned has nothing to do with his contribution to this forum. As a matter of fact, it was his contribution that got him in trouble and caused the staff here to look further into GD and launched a full on investigation. We found that not only was he making up to 40% commission off of a pharmacy he was pushing, but he was also secretly pushing the members of this site to other Low Testosterone clinics as well as several other peptide companies. This website is not only a place for everyone to educate and research. This is MY company and there are rules that have been put in place over the last 12 years that were designed to protect my interest in this company and staff members are fully aware of these rules.

You can NOT become a staff member on this forum and purposely undermine the very thing that keeps this website online and available to the public. I am personally very shocked at the findings and more than anything I am DISAPPOINTED in GD's more than 2 year long sourcing career, but I have verified that these accusations are 100% factual and the decision is final.

For those of you who were helped by GD and who grew close to him on steroid .com, I want you to know that I feel your pain and I am sorry to have to bring this news. In my years of experience, there are three types of "KEY" members of this website. The first is the type of person who is here helping day in and day out because they love the forum and its members. The second is someone who is here to build a reputation and is drawn to the dark side of this industry and uses that reputation to make a damn good amount of money. The third is someone who loves the forum and the members, but has also made a conscious decision to break the very well known rules and take a chance at WHEN they get caught. I think GD falls into this last category. I have spoken to him quite a few times on the phone, I have shared both good and bad news while building LowTestosterone.com with him, I have asked for his advice and input, and I have even planned on meeting him for a face to face when I visited his location 7 months ago. However, the problem again is that I have invested MANY millions of dollars, 16 years of my time, and have taken risks that would make most people close up shop and call it a day. I will not tolerate coming into my home, acting to befriend me, and then steal from my home while I wasn't paying attention.

Is this site going down hill? I think everyone knows the answer to that. Did we lose a really helpful member that gave a lot of his time? Absolutely. This wasn't personal, this was business. However, on a personal level, I am a bit pissed off about the whole thing.

How do people actually become staff?? Is there an interview process.??? Does it pay well?

**Rusty11** · 05-14-2013, 05:23 PM

Thank you for posting your thoughts, bass. This is the only thing that is bothering me. I completely understand lowt.com's decision. I would do the same. But, the "Yea, this guy was fishy" horsecrap coming from guys who constantly asked his advice, is two-faced. He helped people. They were grateful. Leave it at that. No need to pile it on. Either way, this site is awesome-past, present, and future.

**bass** · 05-14-2013, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

Thank you for posting your thoughts, bass. This is the only thing that is bothering me. I completely understand lowt.com's decision. I would do the same. But, the "Yea, this guy was fishy" horsecrap coming from guys who constantly asked his advice, is two-faced. He helped people. They were grateful. Leave it at that. No need to pile it on. Either way, this site is awesome-past, present, and future.

well said rusty!

**junk2222yard** · 05-14-2013, 05:55 PM

I agree 100% too, bass and rusty. gd was incredibly helpful and seemingly tireless.

**kelkel** · 05-14-2013, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by APIs

Thanks for the explanation Admin, this explains a lot. If you look deep enough, you’ll find most everyone has some type of agenda (good or bad). While truly a valued & knowledgeable member here, GD had been pushing this on-line pharmacy for years. I was aware that he received a 30% credit (off his future orders) for all referrals, but I did not know he received extra commissions paid on top of this. Pretty crafty on his part, but at the expense of hurting the legitimacy of what this site represents. Not to mention, it certainly undermined what you’re trying to achieve as a business owner. I tried this pharmacy site once out of curiosity, but realized the safety & efficacy of the products could not be confirmed. Live & learn I guess.

As a business owner, I understand your actions on the matter. Most people don’t realize how tough it is running your own business. You operate your business day-to-day utilizing other people’s strengths & abilities. When you find that a key-person (whether paid or not) has a hidden agenda, it can be a very difficult situation to deal with. It doesn’t matter what “perceived” importance that person may hold in the organization. They must go in the end. There is no other recourse.

I would like to think there is another group of people on the site that may not have been recognized. Those whose lives have been truly enhanced by TRT that wish to make a contribution by sharing their experiences in an effort to help others. These people may not be on the site every day, but they choose to contribute as much as their daily lives & responsibilities permit.

People should realize that no one-person has all the answers on an internet forum. Very few people here actually hold a certified Medical Degree. Everything else here is really nothing more than personal experience and/or acquired book-smarts. The information presented here should be used as a reference only. Important decisions pertaining to TRT should be made under the guidance of a Medical Doctor who specializes in this field…

Extremely well said API!

***system admin*** · 05-14-2013, 07:10 PM

This will be my last post on the issue because I think everything that can be said, has been said.

Referencing a post that I already made, the more helpful a member is and the more respect he can get by helping members, looks as though all of the work he was doing was self motivated by money. If I help everyone I can and then when they ask me questions about where to get a drug, it seems painfully obvious that the more I help, the more money I can generate from those members. We are not talking about peanuts here guys. We are talking about 30-40% of everything you buy from his reference goes into his pocket. That is a full time job and probably pays a LOT more than most people who get up and go to work for 8-9 hours a day. Imagine how helpful you would be if every person you helped on this forum and befriended was a potential paycheck? Also, we are not talking about a one off purchase from the members, we are talking about on going revenue stream for several years. I would bet the monthly income will continue to come in for many many months. So, although he did post a lot and hit almost every post he could to help, it makes it look really bad when you come to find out that many of these members were paying him to do it. If it were not illegal, I'd be the first in line to do the same thing and I doubt many of you would pass up on posting on a message board day in and out to replace your current job. But, it is illegal and more than that, it was simply against the rules. It wouldnt be half as bad in my book if my company wasnt thrown under the bus to refer other LowT companies.... I mean come on now. Thats just not right.

Sorry he is gone, but he knew the rules and chose to throw the dice. If you ask me, he had a good run and he will continue to make a lot of money for a long time to come from it.

Bc

**TraceMYD** · 05-14-2013, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by junk2222yard

I agree 100% too, bass and rusty. gd was incredibly helpful and seemingly tireless.

Same here, gd helped me a lot, never pushed anything on me when asked advise.

**GeriatricOne** · 05-14-2013, 10:47 PM

GD never pushed anything on me either. Seemed to intercede in threads to keep them compliant with the forums rules. If I bought something and he made a commission, so what? Admins are certainly pushing their products and services. I can make up my own mind.before buying any herbal products from from this site, or from GD, or by anyone elses recommendations. Seems a bit hypocritical to banish him on grounds of protecting us from his profiteering. Is this to remain an open forum, or will Admins business interests require they now monitor and censor to promote lowtestosterone.com?

There are two sides to every story. It is unfortunate we are getting only one side, and that slanted towards a benevolent intention to protect us from a malevolent GD who had been lurking amongst us with sinister intentions.

**austinite** · 05-14-2013, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by GeriatricOne

GD never pushed anything on me either. Seemed to intercede in threads to keep them compliant with the forums rules. If I bought something and he made a commission, so what? Admins are certainly pushing their products and services. I can make up my own mind.before buying any herbal products from from this site, or from GD, or by anyone elses recommendations. Seems a bit hypocritical to banish him on grounds of protecting us from his profiteering. Is this to remain an open forum, or will Admins business interests require they now monitor and censor to promote lowtestosterone.com?

There are two sides to every story. It is unfortunate we are getting only one side, and that slanted towards a benevolent intention to protect us from a malevolent GD who had been lurking amongst us with sinister intentions.

Geriatric, It's their house and their rules. The fact is, there would be no forum for any of us to enjoy if sponsors didn't exist. Certainly not one this good. I've been everywhere, I know. Most companies don't bother discussing their actions. I feel it's a nice gesture to let everyone know of their decision. They could have simply kept it to themselves, but they didn't. They certainly value members and that's why Admin and BC spoke up.

Sometimes we just need to let things go. It's never easy, not even for the administrators. I'm sure they understand where you're coming from and how many members would be upset to see him go, and that makes it a tough decision, but they only did what they truly believe is in the best interest of the company and it's members. We need to appreciate that. Believe me, I developed a friendship with gd, very upset that all this happened.

***Admin*** · 05-14-2013, 11:38 PM

I to like GD hell I promoted him...however I feel very betrayed by him at the same time... someone coming to me and wanting to work towards a promotion only to try to undermind this forum hummm I understand that everyone can make their own choices and they should... but lets look at our side as well...

I have a business and hire you to work for me... but instead of looking out for my interest and promoting my interest you are promoting your own... and pushing mine to the side... now while there is nothing wrong with promoting ones self there is if you are doing so at my expense... We are the ones paying to have this site here and for people to come here and to promote our businesses as well... and when someone who says they are here to help is in reality doing the opposite then it makes sense to ban them.

We have sponsors who pay us to advertise here... so why should GD be allowed to do so for free... kind of a slap to our sponsors aswell... That does not mean you can not buy from whom ever you want... but others can not advertise here per our rules... (which state that it is a banable offense)

If I worked at Mcdonald's yet took orders and served for Burger King in their store on their time, how long would Mcdonalds keep me???

**joebailey1271** · 05-15-2013, 12:52 AM

Think of it like this. I own a car shop, it closes at 7pm. I go there around 2AM just to do paperwork. I find one of my mechanics painting cars in my bay. Now i dont mind anyone making a little extra, but when hes moonlighting in my business, using my electrity, etc to fill his pockets. That aint right, now if he would have came to me and said he wanted to do a few jobs here and there off the clock, it might have ended better for him, but he chose to be sneaky and that stuff dont fly.

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by joebailey1271

Think of it like this. I own a car shop, it closes at 7pm. I go there around 2AM just to do paperwork. I find one of my mechanics painting cars in my bay. Now i dont mind anyone making a little extra, but when hes moonlighting in my business, using my electrity, etc to fill his pockets. That aint right, now if he would have came to me and said he wanted to do a few jobs here and there off the clock, it might have ended better for him, but he chose to be sneaky and that stuff dont fly.

Shouldn't be driving around at 2 am in Houston!

**eightythree** · 05-15-2013, 01:09 AM

Out of curiosity are you guys making an affiliate program for lowt.com?

**marcus300** · 05-15-2013, 03:57 AM

Its always sad to see a quality staff member be banned for underhanded tactics, we have a very close secure trustworthy staff group here who all work by a set of rules and its always disheartening to see one of our own go down this route. I'm very proud of being a staff member here and having the opportunity to help members and the owner keep this board safe and secure and believe me even though you may not see it we keep this board safe and secure. Many forums push certain sources and use false accounts pushing certain UGL's infact you wouldn't believe what some of the tactics there use but we are different we keep this board safe and free from all that bullshit and that's why we are the no1 steroid forum on the internet.

We have a set of rules everyone has to abide by even staff and its common sense that you don't take away business from the sponsors of the board. If you come here to only deceive for your own personal gain which directly involves taking money away from the boards sponsors with the intention of promoting your own income then its common sense you shouldn't be allowed to conduct your business here when other sponsor pay for this privilege. There isn't one company what would allow such behaviour.

I come here to help people and give them my experiences, I also come here for enjoyment to learn and to relax and also interact with a wide range of people who have similar hobbies to me. We have 235,147 members and currently there are 26,437 who are online now this is a huge audience and this place wouldn't be here if we didn't have the sponsors who paid for this board to exist. Its hard to see such a knowledgeable staff member leave under these circumstances but the owner/admin has to look after the interests of the board just like any business owner would. Its a bit of drama but lets move on from this and do what we do best

**Moparman** · 05-15-2013, 05:41 AM

He never pushed anything on me. Hell I even asked him a good place to buy. Go figure

***Admin*** · 05-15-2013, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Moparman

He never pushed anything on me. Hell I even asked him a good place to buy. Go figure

You are one of only a few... but then you are pretty new and maybe he had not built trust with you yet...

We are not saying that he was as many are saying pushing drugs... (yes he was giiving his pharmacy to most he was in contact with he has admitted this)

He was however giving another company and bashing ours (he has never used ours) because he had his own and money to make from them...

**xcraider37** · 05-15-2013, 08:47 AM

I think it's time to lay this dog to rest, overall when a forum such as this starts to rely on one person too much it degrades what the rest of us contribute, I see it in other forums, with Dr. Jim and Dr scally, the matrix and hardasnails. Some of you will know who I'm referring to. Not saying GDs info was not of help, but I already see others in this forum offering up great advice based off their life experinces. I think this is the best TRT forum and lets keep it that way.

***Admin*** · 05-15-2013, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I think it's time to lay this dog to rest, overall when a forum such as this starts to rely on one person too much it degrades what the rest of us contribute, I see it in other forums, with Dr. Jim and Dr scally, the matrix and hardasnails. Some of you will know who I'm referring to. Not saying GDs info was not of help, but I already see others in this forum offering up great advice based off their life experinces. I think this is the best TRT forum and lets keep it that way.

Very well said! We have many knowledgeable members that have not yet even begun to shine!

***system admin*** · 05-15-2013, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I think it's time to lay this dog to rest, overall when a forum such as this starts to rely on one person too much it degrades what the rest of us contribute, I see it in other forums, with Dr. Jim and Dr scally, the matrix and hardasnails. Some of you will know who I'm referring to. Not saying GDs info was not of help, but I already see others in this forum offering up great advice based off their life experinces. I think this is the best TRT forum and lets keep it that way.

Well said.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-15-2013, 10:17 AM

This is the first time i have opened this thread. To say Im totally shocked is an understatement. GD helped a LOT of people. But i guess his motives were questionable, as System Admin has properly pointed out. Too bad. We lost a good soldier.

Originally Posted by Rusty11

Thank you for posting your thoughts, bass. This is the only thing that is bothering me. I completely understand lowt.com's decision. I would do the same. But, the "Yea, this guy was fishy" horsecrap coming from guys who constantly asked his advice, is two-faced. He helped people. They were grateful. Leave it at that. No need to pile it on. Either way, this site is awesome-past, present, and future.

Agreed.

But this happens occasionally. You ever see that Bugs Bunny cartoon with the yappy dog that wants the big dog to chase a cat? You dont have to look very far to see that scenario.

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I think it's time to lay this dog to rest, overall when a forum such as this starts to rely on one person too much it degrades what the rest of us contribute, I see it in other forums, with Dr. Jim and Dr scally, the matrix and hardasnails. Some of you will know who I'm referring to. Not saying GDs info was not of help, but I already see others in this forum offering up great advice based off their life experinces. I think this is the best TRT forum and lets keep it that way.

Well said Raider.

**Hackamaniac** · 05-15-2013, 11:55 AM

GD- Had answered my questions via pm many of times and never pushed anything on me. Thanks for all your help GD!

**bp2000** · 05-15-2013, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by system admin

Its a double edge sword isn't it guys? On one hand, if we allowed more people to sell and make money on this forum for simply providing great advice and befriending members, we would have a board full of helpful and educated members and questions would be answered within seconds of posting them up. However, on the other hand, the forum will lose its all natural feel and no one would really trust anyone because it was all just done for money. There is a real science to how message boards evolve over many years and I think this is why steroid .com and its members really stay ahead of the game. Each year we get better and better and each year we find a loop hole that can be closed to keep the integrity of the forum in check.

Again, as stated above.... you are all part of this huge puzzle. No one person or even a "Click" on this forum makes it great. Its all of us as a community that makes this place complete.

Bc

You realize this forum would be nothing without it's members. The members make you money. They answer questions 24/7 and keep people coming here.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-15-2013, 01:01 PM

^^ Where's the popcorn emoticon when you need one..lol

**Ryanmcd** · 05-15-2013, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by xcraider37

I think the thing many miss about GD is he never really gave advice on anything that you couldn't find yourself, most of his knowledge was from DR. Crisler, I guess for some of the lazy guys it was easy. Curious how he got his name changed to steroid .com 1? Has that Id
been banned also?

True about Crisler and I dropped him too once he's compounding pharm was in the news for pushing meds, then he says "I wish I got a kickback" you can bet your ass he was getting a kickback, then him beating that woman or whatever pushed my over the edge. I just wish we had better docs around that took the time because when 1st went to him he did help a lot and seemed to care but after that it went downhill. May try Low-T for a year one they get to GA as I am set now but would be nice to have a real doc to help again.

**Lunk1** · 05-15-2013, 01:16 PM

Over the life of this forum many good members are sure to come and go. Some willingly and some kicking and screaming. Recently there have been several very informative members that decided they were "above the law" (great Segal movie). Not one of them is irraplaceable! No one here is! Keep in mind, everytime one star falls another is there to take it's place.

In the short time I have been here there have been a cpl staff members and a few extremely knowlegable members who have broken rules and been shown the exit...but we close ranks and carry on without missing a beat!

**MickeyKnox** · 05-15-2013, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Over the life of this forum many good members are sure to come and go. Some willingly and some kicking and screaming. Recently there have been several very informative members that decided they were "above the law" (great Segal movie). Not one of them is irraplaceable! No one here is! Keep in mind, everytime one star falls another is there to take it's place.

In the short time I have been here there have been a cpl staff members and a few extremely knowlegable members who have broken rules and been shown the exit...but we close ranks and carry on without missing a beat!

Youre such a romantic..

**HRTstudent** · 05-15-2013, 04:32 PM

To be very frank, it turns me off more that this site sells tons of "supplements" meant to look like steroids , and obviously dupe people into thinking they are getting steroids, then sell them on serious, medical lowtestosterone and steroid "cleanses" from the very same sites.

I don't know how the administration will take this, but I am sure I'm not the only one in the community who is disconcerted by this. I really feel compelled to say this though because I've been here for a long time, had absolutely no agenda other than to get information and help and to pass it along; but the conflicting messages above are, well, conflicting.

**austinite** · 05-15-2013, 04:37 PM

It's a good thing Admin has an "Open Door" policy. Anyone is welcome to PM him and express concerns. Rallying up in here is not getting anywhere. We are officially way off topic.

**Lunk1** · 05-15-2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

It's a good thing Admin has an "Open Door" policy. Anyone is welcome to PM him and express concerns. Rallying up in here is not getting anywhere. We are officially way off topic.

Honestly this shouldnt be a topic. Whats done is done. It's a business and those responsible for the business made a business decision. They do us a favor by offering an explantaion even though one isn't required.

The masses asked for an explanation and got a great one. Time to repect the decision and end this thread. It will be someone else next week...maybe me

**TraceMYD** · 05-15-2013, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by HRTstudent

To be very frank, it turns me off more that this site sells tons of "supplements" meant to look like steroids , and obviously dupe people into thinking they are getting steroids, then sell them on serious, medical lowtestosterone and steroid "cleanses" from the very same sites.

I don't know how the administration will take this, but I am sure I'm not the only one in the community who is disconcerted by this. I really feel compelled to say this though because I've been here for a long time, had absolutely no agenda other than to get information and help and to pass it along; but the conflicting messages above are, well, conflicting.

I agree, 100% buddy! I roll my eyes everytime I see the popup ad come up for them. Are those supplements a joke? I mean really what's the deal with them and why?