HGH and some major questions needed to be answered!

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 11:16 AM

My trainer told me to not even think about steroids right now, and from this website ive learned that i need to wait anyways! But he told me i should try HGH because its "safe" for right now that is! Im now 160, 4% exact bf, and just wanna increase lean muscle mass! so heres the ? if i took HGH 5 days a week take weekends off for Three Months would it help? Or is that too short? Please help out! Thanks

**simm** · 12-05-2006, 11:25 AM

What age are you??

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 11:34 AM

im not trying to be a dick but im in my 20's

**simm** · 12-05-2006, 11:45 AM

You really need to use hgh for at least 6 months to see any decent kind of benefit..If in your 20s i would use a low 2iu 5/7 programme....

Bump for more info!

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 11:47 AM

aka 20 or 21 ?

i dont know how knowledgable your trainer is to recommend you HGH at such a young age. the fact that your are trying to hide your age, means you know you are going to hear "too young for hgh".

now ultimately it is your decision, personally i waited till i was 25 to start hgh. IMO 25 is still too young, but everyone makes their own decisions.

please read threads on this forum and research on the negative effects of starting hgh at a young age.

this being said, hgh will take minimally 3 months to "see" any results although users should run at least 6 months. your suggested 5 on 2 off is a typical protocol that many use, including myself.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 12:00 PM

Unless you have money to burn I would say it is a bad idea. In fact I would so far as to say that unless you are planning on competing or you are over 35 then GH is a waste of cash. It is so subtle in its action and so expensive I cannot see any good reason for the average gym dude using it. so ask yourself are you willing to invest a couple of thousand dollars for an extremely subtle difference? Buy some food instead would be my advice. I think you should give your trainer a slap he sounds like a jerk.

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 01:11 PM

haha yeah i mean hes 6'2 250 with 8% bf and hes 24 so its like im looking at this giant and i wanna take in consideration what hes saying cause hes so huge! I wouldnt be wasting that much money about the same as a deca /test cycle with PCT and HCG for 12weeks as i would this! if i did it for 3 months it be *** or less since its in bulk!

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 01:13 PM

shit my bad for posting prices thats my fault sorry!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 01:16 PM

and if you did it for three months nothing will happen. You think cos your trainer is tall and lean that means he knows his shit about AS. Half the trainers i speak to are natrually in good shape, they eat crap and run Dbol cycles yet they have good genetics and remain looking pretty decent. So the way people look does not = knowledge. If you want to burn money then run your GH for 3 months. Im betting the "trainer" is also the supplier. Good luck.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 01:16 PM

edit the price out of the post mate.

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 01:17 PM

ok what about 6 months?

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 01:24 PM

6 months is acceptable, but closer to 10 or 12 is preferable

what dosage are you running? iu per day?

i would recommend 4-6iu per day, 5 on 2 off but starting at 2iu and working up.

read up: My Guide to HGH for anyone interested

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 01:35 PM

1 mg a day so 3IU's i guess

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 01:38 PM

i gotta be honest, i really think you will be wasting your money bro

at your age, 3iu typically isn't a big deal, i just think you are setting yourself up for disappointment

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 01:39 PM

so u think running a PH or AAS would do me alot more?

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by EQismypoise

so u think running a PH or AAS would do me alot more?

Yes 100%. Although, I still think your young for AAS, unfortunately there are many people using younger than you. I would run a 10-12 week cycle of test, save a ton of cash, get a ton more results then 3 months of GH.

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 02:11 PM

Well i have on my hands Methyl-1-p should i try that out 1st? I mean will it do me good?

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by EQismypoise

Well i have on my hands Methyl-1-p should i try that out 1st? I mean will it do me good?

Well first off, i feel like I'm being set up to say "no, take steroids instead". i still think your too young, should grow naturally, before jumping into any of the substances you have mentioned.

that being said....

I personally would not run the methyl1. Many prohormones are even more dangerous to the human body then some AAS due to liver toxicty, etc. Look into the bread&butter beginner AAS cycle

Week 1-12 Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/week (2 injections of 250mg per week)
Week 1-14 Arimidex .25-.5mg ED

Week 14-19 PCT (read up in pct section...nolva/aromasin /etc)

With proper diet & training, your gains from this simple Test cycle will far surpass anything you could ever get from prohormones or GH alone.

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 02:37 PM

With that cycle u dont think i should use HCG or do i not need that because its used for nor-19 compounds?

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by EQismypoise

With that cycle u dont think i should use HCG or do i not need that because its used for nor-19 compounds?

well I'm glad your doing your homework at least.

yes, i would use hcg . i am of fan of anthony robert's pct (it's a sticky in pct section), where you would run HCG @ 500iu ED for weeks 1-3 of PCT.

additionally i would run hcg @ about 600iu/week (split into 2 weekly shots of 300iu) starting about half way into cycle until start of pct. ex Weeks 7-14...but this is my personaly preference, i feel its sets up recovery to be easier during pct

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 02:51 PM

you need to eat plenty and leave the gear for a couple of years. There are no shortcuts.

**RJstrong** · 12-05-2006, 02:54 PM

5 on 2 off is good but I wouldn't take weekends off... i would stagger the off days like Wed./Sun. for example.

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 03:02 PM

Well id like to add that my "stupid trainer" is a Retired Monitor on here and 2 other sites so ill talk to him about it but Plzr8 thanks for ur incite ill let u know if i start either and keep u informed if u'd like!

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 03:10 PM

there are no retired "monitors" as yet. However he may have been a mod, but if he is suggesting 3 month gh cycles to 20 yr olds he wasnt a very good one. You asked for opinions and you got them. How about I lie to you like your "trainer" is and tell you gh is magic, it will make you huge. Go for it. Good luck.

**KNOWNasJOE** · 12-05-2006, 03:20 PM

No one is saying your trainer is stupid...it is implied :P

Stop trying to get everyone to say YEA THREE MONTHS IS GREAT GO FOR IT! no one is going to. Ultimately you are going to do what you want but how about you read around these sections before doing three months of GH that will ultimately do nothing for you. Invest that money on an awesome diet, stay strict, and see where you are in three months. I can GAURANTEE that it will be far more along then if you continued eating and training how you are and added GH.

GH and AAS are not magical liquids that you can inject and become a monster. That starts in the kitchen, in the gym, and ends in the kitchen.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 12-05-2006, 03:28 PM

just looked at your previous posts. You are 18. You are obviously aware of the advice you would be given if you had stated your real age in this thread so you lied about it. Stay away from AS for a few years and now i know how old you are I will say your trainer is AN IDIOT

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 03:33 PM

lol damnitt u caught me i know to stay away from aas but i was also gonna see if the hgh would maybe increase my Height cause everyone in my fam is about 6'1 or above! and im 5'9

**ben2285** · 12-05-2006, 03:41 PM

listen to perfectbeast... trust me it is not worth it at your age the cons far outweigh the pros..And yes unfortunately going to the biggest or the guy with the best body for advice is many times the wrong person to go to, just cuz people are big does not mean they know what they are doing...It sounds silly but there are many other factors that contribute to size other than AAS. Just pig out, lift hard, get your rest, listen to the right knowledgable people, and most of all GROW

**plzr8** · 12-05-2006, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by EQismypoise

lol damnitt u caught me i know to stay away from aas but i was also gonna see if the hgh would maybe increase my Height cause everyone in my fam is about 6'1 or above! and im 5'9

don't lie to members to get the type of response your fishing for. put your facts out there and let people who have been there and know first hand give you advice!

given your actual age alone, no one on this board would recommend hgh or aas. everyone, including myself, will say to eat,train, and grow naturally

**EQismypoise** · 12-05-2006, 03:55 PM

lol im not 18 wtf?!

**Brian** · 12-06-2006, 08:22 PM

sounds like your trainer is trying to make some cash to me..Stick with a mild test and some tren .

**vermin** · 12-06-2006, 09:09 PM

A couple IUs of GH may well supply you with lower IGF levels than you are producing at such a young age - and since it would tend to shut down your natty production, you could end up with a net IGF deficit. But you haven't even gotten any bloodwork to know this, have you?

At 160 you are a shrimp - you need to grow, esp. build your frame so that you could actually hold a reasonable amount of muscle. Neither AAS nor HGH will really help with that, just eating and old school core training (deads, squats, bench), as heavy as you can.

**KeyMastur** · 12-06-2006, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Brian

sounds like your trainer is trying to make some cash to me.

BINGO !!! WE GOT A WINNER JOHNNY !!

PM me the price he says he was gonna get it for you at. i'll tell you whether he's tryin to make cash or not. let me remind you i'm not gonna hook you up with anything....

**veryveryquiet** · 12-07-2006, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by EQismypoise

My trainer told me to not even think about steroids right now, and from this website ive learned that i need to wait anyways! But he told me i should try HGH because its "safe" for right now that is! Im now 160, 4% exact bf, and just wanna increase lean muscle mass! so heres the ? if i took HGH 5 days a week take weekends off for Three Months would it help? Or is that too short? Please help out! Thanks

I'm suprised no one has said anything about that 4% exact bf you are claiming.
You must be ready to step on stage!! LOL

**Brian** · 12-07-2006, 11:04 AM

So many people get taken advantage of when it comes to this. Smaller guys in the gym looking up those older bigger guys. I know from experience and have bought alot of bunk shit when I was younger. The mark up on GH is unbelievable..

Please read the RULES..... this is considered a warning... thanks *admin*

**vermin** · 12-07-2006, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by veryveryquiet

I'm suprised no one has said anything about that 4% exact bf you are claiming.
You must be ready to step on stage!! LOL

I almost did - likely a factor of poor caliper use, but then again it's actually a whole lot easier at 160 than 260 - at 160 it would actually be nothing to be very proud of because it'd need to go up up up if he's gonna grow.