CJC-1295 vs. CJC-1295 no dac

[Optima25]

What's the difference of those peptides?

[DanB]

Basically its dac, its like a ester that you would find on test e, it prolongs the half life, its effectiveness for men is questionable at best and may have health risks due to it causing ''gh bleed''

Cjc 1295 is the dac version

Cjc 1295 no dac is wrong name, its commonly mislabelled by pep companys, the correct name is mod grf 1-29

This is a very simplified way of saying it and is the easiest way I can think of explaining it

There is a thread here somewhere that has more detail, it may be the educational section, have a look

If you can't find it then let me know and I will link it later when I get to a laptop

[Optima25]

I ordered CJC-1295 no dac and GHRP-2. I've done the right decision I suppose

[bowldawg]

I would be a little leary of peptide companies that describe that product as CJC-1295 no dac instead of mod grf 1-29. I'm sure many are just fine, but with all the bunk peps out there the correct desription would make me feel better.Just my 2 cents

[DanB]

I would be a little leary of peptide companies that describe that product as CJC-1295 no dac instead of mod grf 1-29. I'm sure many are just fine, but with all the bunk peps out there the correct desription would make me feel better.Just my 2 cents

I agree but luckily enough ghrh/ghrp are rarely bunk these days, they stupidly cheap for the pep companys to import

But that dosnt mean they are always of a high purity......

[spywizard]

it comes down to the pulse, the pulse that causes the GH release.. with dac it's more like a "bleed" release (like a woman's body does) a pulse throughout the day is like a man's body normally does..

[Optima25]

I've ordered from a company called "Extremepeptides". Hope it is one of the serious companies

[DanB]

You need edit the name

I seen labs for a batch of Cjc from them its g2g

Their igf and foli was bunk

That was that particular batch though.....

[Muscletech]

Also... GRF 1-29 has a very short half life, youi have to inject it once per day;
The DAC have a half life that amout to 8 days, so you have to inject it once per week (2mg, that equal to one vial)

[DanB]

Also... GRF 1-29 has a very short half life, youi have to inject it once per day;
The DAC have a half life that amout to 8 days, so you have to inject it once per week (2mg, that equal to one vial)

But half life means nothing here, you want a pulse, Cjc gives bleed which is exactely what we want to avoid

[DanB]

And mod grf is most effective when combined with a ghrp 3x's per day

It is even more effective when dosed even more frequently but this ain't a newbie protocol and I advise to stick with 3x's a day until you basically know the in's and out's of effects of ghrh/ghrp

[Muscletech]

But half life means nothing here, you want a pulse, Cjc gives bleed which is exactely what we want to avoid

Why?

[spywizard]

because thats how a woman's gh is released vs a pulse like a male's body produces gh.. not to answer for him but..

[DanB]

because thats how a woman's gh is released vs a pulse like a male's body produces gh.. not to answer for him but..

But you pretty much took the words from my mouth so it all good lol

[M302_Imola]

Pulses in GH is what we are after as males, and it's these pulses that lead to the most growth especially during puberty. Women secrete a small amount of GH constantly throughout the day, not large pulses followed by troughs like us male do. CJC-1295 contains DAC which slows down the release of GH and leads to GH bleed (as males we don't want this). CJC-1295 no DAC or Mod GRF has a short half-life so when paired w/ your GHRP of choice will lead to about a 3 hour large pulse of endogenous GH (this is what we want as IGF-1 levels will also be temporarily raised). 3-5 large GH pulses a day is ideal, not a steady stream!

[Muscletech]

OK, Thank you for help me

But the HGH (so jintropin, serostim ecc.) do the same thing? Cause a pulse right?

[Optima25]

OK, Thank you for help me

But the HGH (so jintropin, serostim ecc.) do the same thing? Cause a pulse right?

No of course not. When you run GH ..your own production of HGH will be inhibited trough negative feedback

[Muscletech]

And when you stop the GH, you HGH production come back normallly, or you have to use a classic post cycle with clomid?

[Optima25]

And when you stop the GH, you HGH production come back normallly, or you have to use a classic post cycle with clomid?

No. Please read about the basics. Clomid is just for test-levels. It blocks the estrogen-receptors

[Muscletech]

No. Please read about the basics. Clomid is just for test-levels. It blocks the estrogen-receptors

Yes I know this, but I don't know how we can avoid the inhibitions of HGH

[956Vette]

And when you stop the GH, you HGH production come back normallly, or you have to use a classic post cycle with clomid?

With regard to fast acting water soluble peptide hormones, no post therapy requirements/recommendation

[M302_Imola]

OK, Thank you for help me

But the HGH (so jintropin, serostim ecc.) do the same thing? Cause a pulse right?

Peptides cause a temporary spike in endogenous GH (roughly 1-3 hours in length). HGH will cause a exogenous spike in GH, the duration of this spike is dependent on how many iu's you inject and your injection method (subq, IM, or IV). IMO, if you inject a relatively small amount of HGH (~2iu) several times throughout the day using an IM injection protocol then endogenous GH production will not be inhibited especially if you inject peptides before bed to help stimulate your endogenous night time pulse.