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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Obs is running Humalog , rapid acting insulin (you get a full peak in like 30 mins then its out of system), your using Novalin r, a short acting insulin which is a bit more steady and slower acting then Humalog , it kicks in in about 30 mins but does not peak until 1.5 to up to 2 hours later. If Obs takes 15iu then he's going to get 15iu in the blood stream rather quickly . If you take 15iu its going to be bit more slower and steady and easier to control blood sugar (it gives you time to drink your carb drink, get a meal in etc..)

    also insulin sensitivity . if a guy is more insulin sensitive then he is able to much more efficiently drive glucose into muscle cells and that will lower blood sugar quicker then someone that is not quite as insulin sensitive. more chance of going hypo
    I forgot, Obs likes livng on the edge.
    Ok, so Novalog is fast acting which means that You have a very short window to cram the nutrients in the cells. Is there a point of saturation where you do not get the max absorption due to saturation?
    Or is it like pinning ED as opposed to 2x week? Every day helps keep serum levels consistant however the body utlizes the same amount as if you pinned 2x wk there are just bigger peaks that only have more pronounced sides

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Novolog is rapid acting insulin (thats thats the fastest acting insulin as far as when it kicks in)

    Novolin R (r stands for 'regular') is a regular or 'short' acting insulin . not as fast as rapid acting in regards to when it kicks in


    we can look at charts and see when these things peak and the onset , but really whats most important is when is the drug in my system and beginning to drive down blood sugar. this is the most important thing for non diabetics because when we go to take insulin we will have normal blood sugars to begin with, and they can get driven down to hypo rather quickly (whereas a diabetic may take this drug and have very high blood sugar to begin with)
    Be damned. Yeah that chart was misleading

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    somewhere you wrote that you use slin of 2-3 iu in a fasted state to do cardio to promote fat loss.
    If you do cardio in the afternoon, can you still use 2-3 of slin without carbs to improve fat loss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    somewhere you wrote that you use slin of 2-3 iu in a fasted state to do cardio to promote fat loss.
    If you do cardio in the afternoon, can you still use 2-3 of slin without carbs to improve fat loss?
    yes. but you may need a slight amount more, depending on where your blood sugar level is before the cardio session. the point is to lower your blood sugar and do cardio in a 'slightly' hypo state to promote lipolysis.
    you can get into a fat burning state much quicker when your glucose levels are low. insulin is just a quick tool to help you get there.

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    Ok.....so please correct me if I'm wrong, but the main benefit from using insulin is to help your pancreas while running HGH to help mitigate the constant demand for insulin...? And then there's a host of other benefits like delivering more nutrients to the muscle cells, accentuating meal timing (by exaggerating insulin responses pre and post WO with exo slin), lowering blood sugar to help metabolize stubborn fat and also to make your body better at accessing fat stores during cardio (I imagine this effect would be increased during lifting to some extent as well..?) Now here's the potential deal breaker for me, personally. Similar to what happens to your hpta when supplementing exo sex hormones, does that happen to an insulin users pancreas? Will your pancreas eventually stop making insulin (or severely cut back production) due to prolonged insulin usage? The other concern I'd have (although not as big as the first concern) is will using insulin in combination with HGH cause that bloated belly look that a lot of modern body builders are sporting?? I feel that the physiques in the 70's were among the most aesthetically pleasing physiques I've seen in body building, although granted those guys were no where near as big as the guys from the 90's 2000's and today.. I personally would like to compete in men's physique and that's partly due to not wanting that bloated hgh/insulin gut which one pretty much HAS to accept if they wanna compete with the big boys in today's body building. However, I'm still so far away from achieving that goal so by the time I'm getting closer to that being a reality for me maybe my mind will change! (I'm not an idealist but a realist and know that once I'm balls deep I may easily say "f*ck it I have what it takes to beat this big f*ckers.. Bloated gut? So be it" lol.. Anyway, I'm digressing...Those are my main two questions atm so pls when you find the time drop a knowledge bomb on me as I know you do so well brotha lol!

    Wanted to add - how long have you been using hgh/slin cause from your avatar it doesn't seem as though you have that bloated belly thing going on..?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Ok.....so please correct me if I'm wrong, but the main benefit from using insulin is to help your pancreas while running HGH to help mitigate the constant demand for insulin...?
    this is "A" benefit , but not the main benefit. yes HGH use will cause your pancreas to have to crank out more insulin and if doing high dosages long term that might wear our the beta cells of the pancreas and thus cause diabetes . adding exogenous insulin gives the pancreas a rest.

    The MAIN benefit of insulin use in bodybuilding is for its Anabolic effect. you can run insulin solo with no HGH or AAS use and get anabolic effects from it (if the timing and nutrient intake is on point). its ability to open up muscle cells to take in glycogen, amino acids, creatine, and other nutrients is the the starting point and basis for muscle growth. Without that ability we can never grow.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    And then there's a host of other benefits like delivering more nutrients to the muscle cells, accentuating meal timing (by exaggerating insulin responses pre and post WO with exo slin), lowering blood sugar to help metabolize stubborn fat and also to make your body better at accessing fat stores during cardio (I imagine this effect would be increased during lifting to some extent as well..?)
    again driving these nutrients into muscle cells is the primary benefit of insulin. using insulin at low dose to lower blood sugar before a cardio session is not the 'main' use of insulin in bodybuilding at all, but it is a tactic that guys can use (over and above normal insulin use)..
    the insulin use during your workout is not at all geared towards lowering blood sugar or fat mobilization. Blood sugar generally increases during this time as we take in our pari workout nutrition , it then decreases towards the end of the workout.. the main goal here is to shuttle as much nutrients into the muscle cells as possible while there is a ton of blood flow going to the muscles . your taking advantage of all this blood flow to a given area by taking in the insulin and the amino acids and nutrients, the blood is the transportation , when the transportation is going to an area you want to be at , then thats when we put the things in we want transported.

    if during most the day my blood is hanging around my organs and other areas, then I workout my legs and 70% of all my blood is now going to my legs, then its at this time I want the anabolic substrates transported to my legs (insulin , glycogen, aminos, creatine etc..). your taking advantage of the 'free ride'


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Now here's the potential deal breaker for me, personally. Similar to what happens to your hpta when supplementing exo sex hormones, does that happen to an insulin users pancreas? Will your pancreas eventually stop making insulin (or severely cut back production) due to prolonged insulin usage?
    no, not that I'm aware of or informed about. the beta cells that produce insulin do not work in any way like the HPTA does. they are never 'shut down', even when you take exogenous insulin your beta cells still produce insulin when you eat, its just that now with exogenous insulin it does not have to produce near as much.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    The other concern I'd have (although not as big as the first concern) is will using insulin in combination with HGH cause that bloated belly look that a lot of modern body builders are sporting??
    the bloated extended stomachs are not directly from insulin use nor HGH use , its from uncontrolled levels of IGF (which yes HGH and insulin do elevate IGF) and mis use and abuse of slin and HGH. This is why timing your HGH and insulin use is very important . I'll explain.

    If you have high levels of IGF floating around your blood stream and your crushing your workout or you just finished then there is going to be 'cell signaling' going on ,, IGF is going to respond to this signal and go to the muscle cells for repair and building. BUT IGF does not just go to build skeletal muscle cells, its not biased towards muscle . it will grow and repair any cells. if all we want is muscle cells to grow then you want to try and time things for your IGF to be elevated during and after your workout. thats hard to do.

    now lets say you have super high levels of IGF floating around your blood stream and its your day off .. your just crushed a 3000 calorie meal. The intestines and the smooth muscles of the stomach and gut are all working real hard at digesting all that food. guess what is now sending the signal for cell growth ? yep, your gut. IGF is being signaled to repair and grow your gut. not what we want, not the timing that we want. thats why we shouldn't abuse and over do the HGH and insulin use.

    Some of these guys are taking 100+ iu of insulin every day and 20iu of HGH.. they do it all day long, they don't time it. they are just flowing with IGF all all the time. their stomach as well as other things will grow.

    this is why I only recommend bolus doses of insulin pre and post workout (along with HGH). that way your IGF levels spike towards the end of your workout or just after, and the cells signaling for repair will be muscle cell. this is also why I don't personally exceed more then 30iu of slin in a day. I don't want to have spill over at times that I don't have muscle cell signaling.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    I personally would like to compete in men's physique and that's partly due to not wanting that bloated hgh/insulin gut which one pretty much HAS to accept if they wanna compete with the big boys in today's body building.
    plenty of physique and classic physique guys run GH and Slin . they just run it in smaller doses pari workout ,, unlike some of the open class body builders that need to get huge and they take high doses all day long.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaMindz View Post
    Wanted to add - how long have you been using hgh/slin cause from your avatar it doesn't seem as though you have that bloated belly thing going on..?
    I've been running HGH for years off and on . started about 6 years ago. insulin use has been over the last couple years off and on.
    I have a 29" waist . but I don't abuse shit and I've tried to educate myself on the science behind this stuff and how it works so I can avoid negative and unwanted side effects.
    I also have clients that depend on my advice and I surely don't want to fuck their physique up or give them unwanted sides either . so its my job to try and know this shit as best I can
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    Ok, that's a lot to take in lol. I do appreciate your articulate style of writing and what you say makes perfect sense to me, but it's still a lot of info to digest! The fact that using exo insulin does NOT cause damage to your pancreas, and actually inversely, saves it from wearing out the beta cells if one is running growth is a huge selling point for me.

    I was under the impression that guys who run insulin essentially become diabetic in the sense that they're body's become dependent upon exo insulin. The fact that this is NOT the case is very interesting to me.

    Thank you for taking the time to properly explain this topic as I feel it is a very misunderstood part of bodybuilding. If one has decided to start running growth hormone for reasons discussed in this thread, and they want to do it safely and responsibly, from what I gather from your information then the safest way to do it is in combination with insulin.. It's a big step, though, IMO...I'm thinking I'm gonna start running growth at a relatively low dose 3ius/day and after some time I'll start experimenting with insulin in small doses to get familiar with it...Thanks for the insight mang

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    nothing wrong with just running HGH for now. I suggest purchasing a blood glucose monitor and getting into the habit of monitoring your blood glucose BEFORE taking HGH and then continue monitoring it when taking HGH and see how much its effecting your fasted and post meal blood sugar.
    you can pick one up at Walmart for like $10

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I have a 29" waist .

    Prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Prick?
    thats a little over 8 inches

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    thats a little over 8 inches

    I guess with a tiny waist you can't have everything.
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    Thank you GearHeaded for this incredible information. While I have no plans to use it, it's an incredible feeling to be able to read about this information and learn. As well as all the other information you contribute to other posts, I feel blessed to have you here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackMan017 View Post
    Thank you GearHeaded for this incredible information. While I have no plans to use it, it's an incredible feeling to be able to read about this information and learn. As well as all the other information you contribute to other posts, I feel blessed to have you here.
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