Insulin Use For Bodybuilding - question/answer thread

[Capebuffalo]

We are moving forward and no one will be bothering GH.
Things went on out of public eye that have been fixed, corrected, and we are all glad GH has returned after what happened. GH has some terrific advice and he has a very outside the box approach that will work better for some of us.

We welcome new odeas and approaches.
No one wants to be on a one directional dry assed board. We want it wet and we want it to go both ways like guitarzan, cape, and couchlockd

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[charger69]

Glad to see you back GH!

What is your typical “cycle” on slin? I was taking it while cycling. I have heard some take it 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off, some as a bridge between cycles, and some essentially all the time.

I will refresh your memory- I’m 51 and actively compete In BB. I try to keep up with the others competing however I also try to keep healthy due to my age. I know it sounds like a contradiction. LOL


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[guitarzan]

interesting. maybe try running a GHRP or GH secretagogue like MK-677 (or perhaps both). This may balance out your hypoglycemia. The pulsing of GH will cause a release of sugar stored from cells thus keeping your blood sugar elevated (this is one of many ways GH works as a growth factor hormone)
fyi - my normal blood sugar is 80 , if I'm on MK-677 my new normal becomes 100. (yes there is some insulin resistance involved with this).

basically the GH release 'may' counter act your over production of insulin to a degree, or a least provide a higher level of blood sugar to keep your from going hypo so easily.

as for taking exogenous insulin . for you, timing would be critical . if you take in exogenous insulin, and that insulin gets into the blood stream and then your carbs are consumed and dealt with, then your body will not produce a huge spike of its own insulin because of the exogenous insulin. however, if your timing is off you could have a spike of natty insulin on top of your exogenous insulin you took and thus have more insulin then is needed for the amount of carbs consumed .. you'd have to have liquid carbs on hand all the time.


have you ever used intra workout nutrition, like a carb drink during your workout? what happens when you do ? do you go hypo ?

Hmmm, that's interesting. Haven't tried a carb drink, other than Gatorade. I usually take in 40-60 grams of carbs before my morning workout, usually from foods like brown rice. I did notice one time that while on t3 I dont have issues, even if I'm eating bad

[charger69]

Hmmm, that's interesting. Haven't tried a carb drink, other than Gatorade. I usually take in 40-60 grams of carbs before my morning workout, usually from foods like brown rice. I did notice one time that while on t3 I dont have issues, even if I'm eating bad

Tarzan- brown rice has a low GI (glycemic index), white rice has a high GI. It is better you to use white rice with slin.
I use glycofuse however there are many types of drinks.


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[guitarzan]

Tarzan- brown rice has a low GI (glycemic index), white rice has a high GI. It is better you to use white rice with slin.
I use glycofuse however there are many types of drinks.


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Not using slin, so better to use brown rice than white, since I'm cutting? My target is 2500 cal, at 40/40/20, P/c/f. I try to get the bulk of my carbs pre and post workout, breakfast and lunch

[GearHeaded]

Not using slin, so better to use brown rice than white, since I'm cutting? My target is 2500 cal, at 40/40/20, P/c/f. I try to get the bulk of my carbs pre and post workout, breakfast and lunch

for cutting, if its your first meal of the day then I would go no carbs or go with low glycemic carbs (like your doing with the brown rice) . however, post workout then I would go with the high glycemic fast acting carbs like white rice . what your doing with getting most your carbs pre and post workout is SPOT On, imo

[Capebuffalo]

for cutting, if its your first meal of the day then I would go no carbs or go with low glycemic carbs (like your doing with the brown rice) . however, post workout then I would go with the high glycemic fast acting carbs like white rice . what your doing with getting most your carbs pre and post workout is SPOT On, imo

That makes sense.

[GearHeaded]

Glad to see you back GH!

What is your typical “cycle” on slin? I was taking it while cycling. I have heard some take it 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off, some as a bridge between cycles, and some essentially all the time.

I will refresh your memory- I’m 51 and actively compete In BB. I try to keep up with the others competing however I also try to keep healthy due to my age. I know it sounds like a contradiction. LOL

thanks Charger,, glad to see your still going after it and competing

couple of points to address your question
- main reason to be on an AAS cycle when starting an insulin protocol .. most steroids greatly increase our bodies ability to positively partition nutrients, drive more glycogen, water, amino acids, nutrients, etc.. into the muscle cells. This happens at a much greater rate then what could happen naturally . BUT even so, we still need the "KEY" which opens the cells and drives all these nutrients into the muscle. that Key is insulin.
So what better time to use insulin then when your body is on AAS and has the ability to drive way more nutrients into the cells then could happen normally.

- Insulin use while not on AAS. Plenty of other ways to use insulin besides just getting huge. it can be used apart from AAS use during a dieting phase as an 'anti catabolic' , it can be used prior to cardio to drive down blood sugar and put the body in more lipolytic dependent state, it can be used to mitigate negative side effects of HGH use , heck it can be used just to control blood sugar and as an 'anti aging' drug .

- as for 'cycling' insulin. thats really going to depend on the person and their goals and what they are using the insulin for.. lets say a guy is using insulin pre and post workout but only on his leg training days to help bring up his lagging legs and help boost recovery of that body part. being he is only using slin 1-2 x per week then he can be on it indefinitely , no need to cycle off.. if your using slin for a bulking cycle and thus using it daily, thats fine, as a bulking cycle only lasts so long and when your bulk is over you come off the slin. you could do the 4 weeks on 4 weeks off .. lots of options.

keep in mind that slin does NOT permanately shut down your own natty production of insulin (its not like test). In fact exogenous insulin use can help the body regenerate the beta cells of the pancreas and make production of natty insulin more efficient . lets say your fasted blood sugars are running high and your pancreas is not keeping up with the demands of insulin needed , well if you take exogenous insulin and give your pancreas a rest so that those beta cells can regenerate/rest then when you come off the insulin your pancreas is working just fine and keeping up just fine because you gave it a break it needed by using exogenous insulin.


- as for what typical "cycle" to run while using insulin . thats all really dependent on what your use of the insulin is going to be for along with your goal for the cycle . if your off season putting on size, then your typical test, deca , dbol , with a pre and post workout insulin protocol will yield plenty of size gains.. if you prepping for a show and your 5 or so weeks out, depleted and flat, then adding in some insulin with your mast, primo, var, at different stages to help 'fill out' on your high carb days or also to help stay anti catabolic while dieting and help with recovery is also an option. or you can use micro doses of insulin for morning fasted cardio along with HGH, caffeine, Var, Yohimbe, to help shed body fat.

umm, and of course the most controversial. Insulin as a 'safety net' and 'synergistic' to be used with DNP .. IF your crazy enough to use DNP, then you should most definitely be using insulin along with it

lots of options for slin use besides just the typical 'get huge' protocols that insulin is mainly known for

[charger69]

thanks Charger,, glad to see your still going after it and competing

couple of points to address your question
- main reason to be on an AAS cycle when starting an insulin protocol .. most steroids greatly increase our bodies ability to positively partition nutrients, drive more glycogen, water, amino acids, nutrients, etc.. into the muscle cells. This happens at a much greater rate then what could happen naturally . BUT even so, we still need the "KEY" which opens the cells and drives all these nutrients into the muscle. that Key is insulin.
So what better time to use insulin then when your body is on AAS and has the ability to drive way more nutrients into the cells then could happen normally.

- Insulin use while not on AAS. Plenty of other ways to use insulin besides just getting huge. it can be used apart from AAS use during a dieting phase as an 'anti catabolic' , it can be used prior to cardio to drive down blood sugar and put the body in more lipolytic dependent state, it can be used to mitigate negative side effects of HGH use , heck it can be used just to control blood sugar and as an 'anti aging' drug .

- as for 'cycling' insulin. thats really going to depend on the person and their goals and what they are using the insulin for.. lets say a guy is using insulin pre and post workout but only on his leg training days to help bring up his lagging legs and help boost recovery of that body part. being he is only using slin 1-2 x per week then he can be on it indefinitely , no need to cycle off.. if your using slin for a bulking cycle and thus using it daily, thats fine, as a bulking cycle only lasts so long and when your bulk is over you come off the slin. you could do the 4 weeks on 4 weeks off .. lots of options.

keep in mind that slin does NOT permanately shut down your own natty production of insulin (its not like test). In fact exogenous insulin use can help the body regenerate the beta cells of the pancreas and make production of natty insulin more efficient . lets say your fasted blood sugars are running high and your pancreas is not keeping up with the demands of insulin needed , well if you take exogenous insulin and give your pancreas a rest so that those beta cells can regenerate/rest then when you come off the insulin your pancreas is working just fine and keeping up just fine because you gave it a break it needed by using exogenous insulin.


- as for what typical "cycle" to run while using insulin . thats all really dependent on what your use of the insulin is going to be for along with your goal for the cycle . if your off season putting on size, then your typical test, deca , dbol , with a pre and post workout insulin protocol will yield plenty of size gains.. if you prepping for a show and your 5 or so weeks out, depleted and flat, then adding in some insulin with your mast, primo, var, at different stages to help 'fill out' on your high carb days or also to help stay anti catabolic while dieting and help with recovery is also an option. or you can use micro doses of insulin for morning fasted cardio along with HGH, caffeine, Var, Yohimbe, to help shed body fat.

umm, and of course the most controversial. Insulin as a 'safety net' and 'synergistic' to be used with DNP .. IF your crazy enough to use DNP, then you should most definitely be using insulin along with it

lots of options for slin use besides just the typical 'get huge' protocols that insulin is mainly known for

As always, a very detailed response that even I can understand! LOL
I am going back to the way I was using it.

[kelkel]

How much of a size difference between a cycle with and without slin imho? If you can guestimate that.
Do you see any issues with older guys using moderate doses of it.
Asking for a friend.......ahem....cough....

[GearHeaded]

How much of a size difference between a cycle with and without slin imho? If you can guestimate that.
Do you see any issues with older guys using moderate doses of it.
Asking for a friend.......ahem....cough....

if you go with whatever your 'go to' cycle has been over the years for putting on muscle, and you simply add a solid insulin protocol on top of that cycle, you'll likely put on an 10 additional pounds then you would have otherwise by the end of the cycle.
and for guys that have a lot of cycles and experience under their belt, 10 pounds is a damn lot to put on in 12 weeks.

as for age. I think insulin use can be a huge benefit for older guys. for one, older guys are likely to be more responsible and really take their time to dial in a proper insulin protocol.

another, RECOVERY. as you get older recovery becomes more difficult (as does sleep). Insulin use is going to help speed up and facilitate recovery.

and another reason, if your older and you been in the game of bodybuilding for quite some time then you've probably been pounding the food for years, so your pancreas could probably actually benefit from a break and using exogenous insulin will help give it the break it needs and help restore beta cell productivity.

and another reason, as you age it becomes more difficult for your body to partition nutrients towards muscle building, store glycogen, and assimilate amino acids (your body loses muscle due to not being able to utilize the protein your taking in). Insulin can help optimize nutrient partitioning and driving more nutrients, glucose and amino acids into muscle cells.

[Obs]

if you go with whatever your 'go to' cycle has been over the years for putting on muscle, and you simply add a solid insulin protocol on top of that cycle, you'll likely put on an 10 additional pounds then you would have otherwise by the end of the cycle.
and for guys that have a lot of cycles and experience under their belt, 10 pounds is a damn lot to put on in 12 weeks.

as for age. I think insulin use can be a huge benefit for older guys. for one, older guys are likely to be more responsible and really take their time to dial in a proper insulin protocol.

another, RECOVERY. as you get older recovery becomes more difficult (as does sleep). Insulin use is going to help speed up and facilitate recovery.

and another reason, if your older and you been in the game of bodybuilding for quite some time then you've probably been pounding the food for years, so your pancreas could probably actually benefit from a break and using exogenous insulin will help give it the break it needs and help restore beta cell productivity.

and another reason, as you age it becomes more difficult for your body to partition nutrients towards muscle building, store glycogen, and assimilate amino acids (your body loses muscle due to not being able to utilize the protein your taking in). Insulin can help optimize nutrient partitioning and driving more nutrients, glucose and amino acids into muscle cells.

I am proof of this.

I like it best for recharging after a crap week of poor diet and too much work.

[kelkel]

if you go with whatever your 'go to' cycle has been over the years for putting on muscle, and you simply add a solid insulin protocol on top of that cycle, you'll likely put on an 10 additional pounds then you would have otherwise by the end of the cycle.
and for guys that have a lot of cycles and experience under their belt, 10 pounds is a damn lot to put on in 12 weeks.

as for age. I think insulin use can be a huge benefit for older guys. for one, older guys are likely to be more responsible and really take their time to dial in a proper insulin protocol.

another, RECOVERY. as you get older recovery becomes more difficult (as does sleep). Insulin use is going to help speed up and facilitate recovery.

and another reason, if your older and you been in the game of bodybuilding for quite some time then you've probably been pounding the food for years, so your pancreas could probably actually benefit from a break and using exogenous insulin will help give it the break it needs and help restore beta cell productivity.

and another reason, as you age it becomes more difficult for your body to partition nutrients towards muscle building, store glycogen, and assimilate amino acids (your body loses muscle due to not being able to utilize the protein your taking in). Insulin can help optimize nutrient partitioning and driving more nutrients, glucose and amino acids into muscle cells.

Appreciate that. I've never considered trying it before but it would be nice to get some renewed growth.
Need to pick your brain more about this when the time comes.

Thank you!

[charger69]

Appreciate that. I've never considered trying it before but it would be nice to get some renewed growth.
Need to pick your brain more about this when the time comes.

Thank you!

I was determined that I never would touch the stuff based on what people said. GH explained it in detail and I started . It produces results, you just need to be careful with your diet.
You need to respect it, not be afraid of it.
You as a bodybuilder will have no issues because you understand this.


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[charger69]

Besides Kelkel, I am catching up to you. LOL
Not really, but it may motivate you!


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[Capebuffalo]

Besides Kelkel, I am catching up to you. LOL
Not really, but it may motivate you!


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Age wise anyway.

[kelkel]

I was determined that I never would touch the stuff based on what people said. GH explained it in detail and I started . It produces results, you just need to be careful with your diet.
You need to respect it, not be afraid of it.
You as a bodybuilder will have no issues because you understand this.
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Yep. May have to try it in a month or so...

Besides Kelkel, I am catching up to you. LOL
Not really, but it may motivate you!
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I'll use anything and everything for motivation. Training alone in my basement is not always easy or fun....

Age wise anyway.

Easy big fella. Probation could be extended....

[GearHeaded]

I am proof of this.

I like it best for recharging after a crap week of poor diet and too much work.

yep good thinking . I know of guys who were using high dose insulin protocols, carb loading, combined with test suspension for 2-3 days straight to boost recovery, lower cortisol, and kick start the weeks training regiment.

[Capebuffalo]

Just ordered Novilin N.

I have used before. I’ll be starting with 3 ius pre and post workout. Ramp up to 10 ius. I was there with no problems last run.

Pulling out the stops to win this comp.

[Kay kay]

Here’s my experience, take it for what it’s worth.

I’ve used insulin WITHOUT hgh, always on cycle, while bulking and cutting. I use dosages up around 20iu per shot, and find I respond better to high dosages.

I also find that while using large amounts of insulin, I actually am able to stay leaner while consuming a diet of around extremely high carbs with a large surplus and high amount of simple carbs. I know this is against the common conclusion but this is my repeated experience over the last few years.
I generally use it 3x per day, first meal, and pre/post workout.
I have also used rapid insulin with every meal daily 7-8x daily for months on end with great but diminishing results,

I use rapid acting insulin for all meals except pre workout, I prefer the 2-4 hour active window pre for obvious reasons.

[GearHeaded]

Here’s my experience, take it for what it’s worth.

I’ve used insulin WITHOUT hgh, always on cycle, while bulking and cutting. I use dosages up around 20iu per shot, and find I respond better to high dosages.

I also find that while using large amounts of insulin, I actually am able to stay leaner while consuming a diet of around extremely high carbs with a large surplus and high amount of simple carbs. I know this is against the common conclusion but this is my repeated experience over the last few years.
I generally use it 3x per day, first meal, and pre/post workout.
I have also used rapid insulin with every meal daily 7-8x daily for months on end with great but diminishing results,

I use rapid acting insulin for all meals except pre workout, I prefer the 2-4 hour active window pre for obvious reasons.

the idea that insulin makes you fat is completely blown out of proportion and only true for very few select people.. for the most part insulin use is going to get you jacked and lean (umm , yeah thats why 260 pound 5% body fat IFBB pros use insulin . if it made them fat they wouldn't be using it to the high degree that they do).

Kay, your a perfect example. Insulin use, especially at higher dosages, is going to ramp up the conversion of T4 into T3 in the liver. This (along with the insulin itself) is going to speed up your metabolism and greatly increase your feed effeciency, protein absorption, nutrient partitioning, etc.. so your better able to utilize and absorb your nutrition and your metabolism is zipping along at a consistent pace. this is going to help you put on full and round muscle while also staying lean and not spilling over.

[Kay kay]

Ahhh I did not know about insulin ’s affect on t4 to t3 conversion! Thank you so much that makes perfect sense! It always blew my mind how I could ramp my carbs upwards of 700g a day with low fats and still stay lean.

I can’t wait until I can afford a solid high dose with slin, it must be truly amazing with the synergy considering it’s effectiveness solo.

[Kay kay]

Just wanted to add guys that my blood sugar upon waking is literally the same as it was before ever doing slin. Just thought I’d throw that out there in case anyone still thinks slin use with rapid acting slin will make you a diabetic.

[Oneup81]

Lantus and Humalog question. Definitely would appreciate GH's feedback as I've read a lot of your post when it comes to insulin , igf, and HGH, and like your way of thinking.

I probably should change the title because you've already given me what you think is the best Protocol is for these 2 when ran together, and I appreciate that.

My Lantus should be here Monday or Tuesday which is what I was start my cycle of 400 mg test E EW also 200mg of TP E2D for the first two to three weeks or whatever you would suggest? I was also going to add around three to 400 mg of NPP E3D, and again or what you would suggest? I don't know if it matters but take into consideration I am an ectomorph if that is the thinnest body type I believe I said that right. What's metabolism running about a thousand miles an hour in my 12 or 13 years of training have never been able to get above 8% body fat which I guess it's in the bad thing considering my diet is pretty clean, but I want to see wouldn't mind putting on a little size if that meant add on a few percent body fat.

My main question is my blood glucose levels in the morning. That is the most important and best time to check them before starting insulin correct?

I know this isn't the right, and same people won't like it but the truth is I've never used it a blood glucose meter in the past, and I've ran insulin 4 or 5 times now but always just Humalog or novolog @ 10-12 IU'S pre-workout or 6IU's pre-workout and 6IU's post workout, but never long-acting such as Lantus. I've also never had a problem with my blood sugar levels as far as how I've felt, and that's probably because I consume a minimum 10 grams of carbs both complex and fast-acting Which is my pre workout meal. It's also when I first take my shot, and I'm drinking my intra workout Shake which will consist of 106 grams of carbs (karbolyn mixed with the Gatorade, 10 grams of glutamine and 10 grams of creatine), and another 60 to 80 grams of carbs in my pwo meal which is probably about 4 hours after the shot.

I apologize for all the questions, but it can't hurt to ask. Not when I find guys as knowledgeable as you guys. Which is rare.

Is the morning on an empty stomach the best time to check my blood sugar levels?

Also if it's Humulin R would the best time to check them again be when it's peaking? Which without looking I believe is 90 minutes after the shot.

Should I add anything to my inter workout drink such as aminos or anything else you can think of that might help?

Anything else I left out that you guys want to contribute to I'm always willing to learn and that's one thing I love about the sport. You're never done learning.

Also i almost forgot I am thinking about, and will probably add in some lr3 at around 40 to 50 MCG bilaterally in the muscles im training that day, and will be training 4 days a week.

Whoever comments back thank you in advance because as I said you're never done learning in this sport.




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[PrimoCyp25]

Insulin is a one powerful puppy if you take your time, test your blood sugar levels and understand it's mechanism it sure has it's advantages.

[Cupid]

the idea that insulin makes you fat is completely blown out of proportion and only true for very few select people.. for the most part insulin use is going to get you jacked and lean (umm , yeah thats why 260 pound 5% body fat IFBB pros use insulin . if it made them fat they wouldn't be using it to the high degree that they do).

Ok, so from reading this thread I am beginning to wrap my head around the many ways insulin can be utilized.
The lingering question is then directly in regards to what I quoted.
What are the basic points to make sure fat accumulation is mitigated with insulin use.
Is it simply to not eat dietary fats around the slin use? Is the idea that eating fats while using insulin will cause the fat to get stored even true? At all?

For example, right now my main meal post insulin use is brown/white rice with disgusting turkey breast because it is a 0 fat meat. If I were to switch to say chicken breast or pork loin which have 3g of fat per serving, will that be less advantageous to using turkey breast, tuna, or egg whites which have no fat? Or am I completely a victim of bullshit here lol?

I don't know if I am wording my question correctly. I am just trying to figure out the fullproof limits of what to NOT do while on insulin in order to not get fat.....as there are so many different things you can use it for and I intend on doing them all over the course of the years with various goals.

Furthermore, would you say insulin has any added advantages when it comes to powerlifting other than recovery? Any protocols which are suited for that purpose?

Thank you for being such an amazing resource GH.

[JaneDoe]

The best

[GearHeaded]

Ok, so from reading this thread I am beginning to wrap my head around the many ways insulin can be utilized.
The lingering question is then directly in regards to what I quoted.
What are the basic points to make sure fat accumulation is mitigated with insulin use.
Is it simply to not eat dietary fats around the slin use? Is the idea that eating fats while using insulin will cause the fat to get stored even true? At all?.

good question. just so your aware dietary fat does NOT require insulin at all to get stored as fat. Fat gets easily stored as body fat in the body with enzymes (lipid enzyme complex).
so if you consume fat, wither with insulin or without insulin, it can be easily stored either way.

the reason we don't consume much fat when taking insulin though is because fat slows down the digestion of carbs. we don' want this. we want to assimilate the glucose as quickly as possible while glut 4 is high (that way its stored as muscle glycogen).

as for not getting fat with insulin use. well thats not dependent on the insulin use per se, thats dependent on you, your diet, and your food choices.

any 'over consumption' of food is going to make your body much more able to store body fat obviously . so what I tell guys to do is to make their insulin use WORK with your diet , and don't make your diet have to be formulated/dictated by your insulin use.

example-
if your carb macros for the day are set at 300g. then make sure that they stay at 300g when you use insulin. don't bump them up to 400g just cause your using insulin that day. instead re-arrange your diet for that day so that the 300g carbs you would normally eat will fall around your normal carb consumption (just now with insulin use)

now IF you goal was simply to put on size. then sure use the insulin use to help you crush more food and carbs. but if you want to stay lean you have to make the insulin use sync with your current diet.

on a side note- when your insulin use is high enough, your metabolism will pick up and your liver will convert more T4 into T3. so insulin if used properly can help you stay lean as well (yes there are cutting protocols with insulin use).
however , insulin use works best in a cut as an anti-catabolic agent more then anything else

[Cupid]

good question. just so your aware dietary fat does NOT require insulin at all to get stored as fat. Fat gets easily stored as body fat in the body with enzymes (lipid enzyme complex).
so if you consume fat, wither with insulin or without insulin, it can be easily stored either way.

the reason we don't consume much fat when taking insulin though is because fat slows down the digestion of carbs. we don' want this. we want to assimilate the glucose as quickly as possible while glut 4 is high (that way its stored as muscle glycogen).

as for not getting fat with insulin use. well thats not dependent on the insulin use per se, thats dependent on you, your diet, and your food choices.

any 'over consumption' of food is going to make your body much more able to store body fat obviously . so what I tell guys to do is to make their insulin use WORK with your diet , and don't make your diet have to be formulated/dictated by your insulin use.

example-
if your carb macros for the day are set at 300g. then make sure that they stay at 300g when you use insulin. don't bump them up to 400g just cause your using insulin that day. instead re-arrange your diet for that day so that the 300g carbs you would normally eat will fall around your normal carb consumption (just now with insulin use)

now IF you goal was simply to put on size. then sure use the insulin use to help you crush more food and carbs. but if you want to stay lean you have to make the insulin use sync with your current diet.

on a side note- when your insulin use is high enough, your metabolism will pick up and your liver will convert more T4 into T3. so insulin if used properly can help you stay lean as well (yes there are cutting protocols with insulin use).
however , insulin use works best in a cut as an anti-catabolic agent more then anything else

I see.
So if my last meal of the day is where I usually put in 30-40g of added fats for the day alongside protein and another 100g of carbs, and say i use 2-3iu of Humalog after eating, it will not cause additional fat storage even though it was a fat heavy meal?
Actually, even one better......if I am taking in a big cheat meal on Saturday nights with tons of carbs/protein/and fats, would it be wise to use maybe 5iu of Humalog just to help process all the carbs i just ate? And will it have no effect on additional fat storage? Or will it also increase the rate of fat storage seeing as how i just ingested a bunch of fat too? (Think like 2 cheeseburgers and fries....probably around 50g protein, 200g carb, and 100g fat)

As far a using insulin on a cutting, could you give us an example protocol?
Let's say I'm running 500g of Test + 500mg other AAS. 100mcg T4 + 25mcg T3. Considering these, I usually start my cut at 250g protein, 325g carb, 80g fat for the day and slowly reduce the carbs and/or increase t3 and add clen slowly as weight loss slows down. How would you add Humalog and GH to this cutting plan?

Thank you again for all this. I hope these questions are also helping others here and not just me lol