Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[Capebuffalo]

I think certain members need to look at their post history all the way to the beginning.
If you have never said compliment to another member and your count is in the thousands....
You should probably go somewhere else imo. Smart is great, but it doesnt cure cocksucker.

Look damn it I may resemble those remarks. Btw you’re handsome. There’s your compliment for the day.

[Windex]

Much respect and not being combative. I read it as GH lifting the cloud that surrounds slin. He does make several good points. However, I do think his description makes it seem to not be a substance that can hurt you and can be used by anyone. My thought is it is not for everyone. It needs to be researched and the pros and cons weighed before use.

Absolutely. I acknowledge that insulin has a time and place with benefits but I don't think it can be grouped in the same category as other anabolics or GH.

[Capebuffalo]

Absolutely. I acknowledge that insulin has a time and place with benefits but I don't think it can be grouped in the same category as other anabolics or GH.

Yes. I had buddies that competed heavy and moved into super heavy. Every week they would have a slin story. I had to pull over on the side of the road and my girlfriend had to run to the gas station and back with a candy bar. I was at home and she had to pour apple juice in my mouth. Now it did get them the size they needed but it came with a risk.

That’s why I’m reading asking questions and starting slow. And keeping sweets in the truck and in my desk.

[Obs]

Look damn it I may resemble those remarks. Btw you’re handsome. There’s your compliment for the day.

Bout time.
Dont let the day wear on like that next time.

[charger69]

I think certain members need to look at their post history all the way to the beginning.
If you have never said compliment to another member and your count is in the thousands....
You should probably go somewhere else imo. Smart is great, but it doesnt cure cocksucker.

You are the devil and a crazy mofo.
My first compliment.


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[Obs]

You are the devil and a crazy mofo.
My first compliment.


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Sanky

[Capebuffalo]

Bout time.
Dont let the day wear on like that next time.

Sorry sir

[GearHeaded]

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Your post comes off as abrasive by calling out everyone in the thread who chose against using slin.

never meant to be abrasive towards anyone. on the other hand, I will say that plenty of guys that are simply "choosing against insulin " , are choosing to talk shit , fear monger, and bad mouth insulin and those that use it.

thats just an observation not an accusation.

I'm of the 'opinion' that when someone choses not to use or engage in the use of a certain substance, for example lets say you don't drink Pepsi, well then you should probably just ignore 'Pepsi' talk and chat all together.
IF you have had a bad experience drinking Pepsi at some time in your life and THEN you want to talk about it, I understand that . but if you have zero experience drinking Pepsi yourself then you should probably leave the subject alone and chat about things you do like or engage in (say Coca-Cola for example).

Randomly jumping on a Pepsi drinkers case out of the blue when your not one yourself, seems more like a personal attack then anything else and probably has very little to do with that persons actual use or beliefs about Pepsi.


as for your repossess in bold. they all are pointless , drama based, and argumentative. I don't wish to engage you in your 'feelings' or 'beliefs' but only straight facts about AAS use or bodybuilding so I won't respond to any of them other then the one that is reasonable and not based on your emotions

So by this statement, Insulin also has fewer side effects than Test Suspension as a preworkout.

of course. I stated bluntly, IF insulin is used 'properly' and dosed properly, it is the most side effect free drug a bodybuilder uses. yes less side effects then Test suspension pre-workout .

[Capebuffalo]

never meant to be abrasive towards anyone. on the other hand, I will say that plenty of guys that are simply "choosing against insulin " , are choosing to talk shit , fear monger, and bad mouth insulin and those that use it.

thats just an observation not an accusation.

I'm of the 'opinion' that when someone choses not to use or engage in the use of a certain substance, for example lets say you don't drink Pepsi, well then you should probably just ignore 'Pepsi' talk and chat all together.
IF you have had a bad experience drinking Pepsi at some time in your life and THEN you want to talk about it, I understand that . but if you have zero experience drinking Pepsi yourself then you should probably leave the subject alone and chat about things you do like or engage in (say Coca-Cola for example).

Randomly jumping on a Pepsi drinkers case out of the blue when your not one yourself, seems more like a personal attack then anything else and probably has very little to do with that persons actual use or beliefs about Pepsi.


as for your repossess in bold. they all are pointless , drama based, and argumentative. I don't wish to engage you in your 'feelings' or 'beliefs' but only straight facts about AAS use or bodybuilding so I won't respond to any of them other then the one that is reasonable and not based on your emotions



of course. I stated bluntly, IF insulin is used 'properly' and dosed properly, it is the most side effect free drug a bodybuilder uses. yes less side effects then Test suspension pre-workout .

I hate Pepsi.

[Capebuffalo]

Ok. 5ius pre and 5ius post yesterday and today. Yesterday got a little shaky at about the 2.5 hr mark. Hit carbs and was fine.
Today no issue. How long would you say before I ramp up my post dose?

[kelkel]

Yes. I had buddies

Hopefully one day you'll have some more.

[Capebuffalo]

Hopefully one day you'll have some more.

One day I hope you’ll be my friend. I know that day is not today or tomorrow. But someday.

[kelkel]

One day I hope you’ll be my friend. I know that day is not today or tomorrow. But someday.

I'll have my people contact your people and discuss options.

[Capebuffalo]

I'll have my people contact your people and discuss options.

You gotta one up me every time. Still funny though.

[GearHeaded]

Ok. 5ius pre and 5ius post yesterday and today. Yesterday got a little shaky at about the 2.5 hr mark. Hit carbs and was fine.
Today no issue. How long would you say before I ramp up my post dose?

well at about the 2.5 hour mark is when your next sold meal should be coming. so that timing sounds about right..

as for when to begin increasing dosage--

thats going to depend on where your at with your current 'tolerance' (insulin sensitivity really) - you should calculate where your currently at, and about how many carbs you need per IU of insulin. once you have that number you can adjust the insulin dosage upwards based on how many carbs your going to be able to take in to accommodate that new dosage.

BE aware. This number changes. its not set in stone. if you been bulking for awhile the number may go way down, if your coming off a cut the number may be super high.

right now I need about 4 grams of carbs for every one IU of insulin I take. but there have been times I've needed double the amount of carbs (coming off a mini cut).

try to get that number figured out in the ball park at least and see where your at (using your glucose meter is really the only reliable method). using low glycemic slow digesting carbs will make dialing that in much more difficult. fast acting high glycemic carbs are best

once you have a baseline established, then work your dosage up slowly and add in the required grams of carbs

[Capebuffalo]

well at about the 2.5 hour mark is when your next sold meal should be coming. so that timing sounds about right..

as for when to begin increasing dosage--

thats going to depend on where your at with your current 'tolerance' (insulin sensitivity really) - you should calculate where your currently at, and about how many carbs you need per IU of insulin. once you have that number you can adjust the insulin dosage upwards based on how many carbs your going to be able to take in to accommodate that new dosage.

BE aware. This number changes. its not set in stone. if you been bulking for awhile the number may go way down, if your coming off a cut the number may be super high.

right now I need about 4 grams of carbs for every one IU of insulin I take. but there have been times I've needed double the amount of carbs (coming off a mini cut).

try to get that number figured out in the ball park at least and see where your at (using your glucose meter is really the only reliable method). using low glycemic slow digesting carbs will make dialing that in much more difficult. fast acting high glycemic carbs are best

once you have a baseline established, then work your dosage up slowly and add in the required grams of carbs

Ok. Got it. Will start working on my baseline

[Capebuffalo]

Ok. Got it. Will start working on my baseline

Too few carbs bad. But are too many carbs also bad?

[GearHeaded]

Too few carbs bad. But are too many carbs also bad?

yes but only if your on some sort of cut or diet where carb consumption is fixed for the day.. you don't want to go over your set macros just to 'feed the insulin ' , instead make your insulin use fit your macros.

UNLESS your goal is just overall growth. then the opposite, the more carbs you can keep feeding the insulin , and the more you raise the dose, and again the more you increase the carbs, then the more you can grow (within reason) . thats why see monsters taking 70+iu of slin a day and 800g of carbs. obsessed with continuing to grow

[Kay kay]

I’m on the same page with slin being the obvious thing to add to progress. Side effect and free if used correctly, cheap, easy to acquire, and very beneficial.

If one knows there body well enough to detect the s effects over a small period of time and adjust accordingly, and the diet knowledge to make the proper adjustments, it’s really great.

Let’s me stay lean and add mass while consuming over 700g carbs a day and many of them simple (125g pre workout, 75g intro workout, and 200g) post workout alone at the height of my last run. During this run I gained a good 12lb from 204 to 216 and I also had a significant drop in bf that I estimate to be about 2%

[Capebuffalo]

yes but only if your on some sort of cut or diet where carb consumption is fixed for the day.. you don't want to go over your set macros just to 'feed the insulin ' , instead make your insulin use fit your macros.

UNLESS your goal is just overall growth. then the opposite, the more carbs you can keep feeding the insulin , and the more you raise the dose, and again the more you increase the carbs, then the more you can grow (within reason) . thats why see monsters taking 70+iu of slin a day and 800g of carbs. obsessed with continuing to grow

Leafs are falling...I’m bulking.

[Obs]

Leafs are falling...I’m bulking.

Lmao thats a haiku!

[Capebuffalo]

Lmao thats a haiku!

I ran 5 iu pre and 10 iu post today.

Impressed you know Japanese poetry.

[charger69]

Haiku’s and slin all in the same thread! LMAO!

Cape- you can also use slin to cut 2-3 IU’s before cardio. No additional carbs. It will lower your blood sugar levels but not send you into hypo.


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[Capebuffalo]

Haiku’s and slin all in the same thread! LMAO!

Cape- you can also use slin to cut 2-3 IU’s before cardio. No additional carbs. It will lower your blood sugar levels but not send you into hypo.


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Man you know I don’t do cardio. I do need to eat right now though.

[charger69]

Man you know I don’t do cardio. I do need to eat right now though.

I’ll get you there. LOL

Yes, diet is important on slin.


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[Obs]

Man you know I don’t do cardio. I do need to eat right now though.

Thats the last line of the haiku.

Leaves are falling...
I am bulking.
Cardio

[Capebuffalo]

Leaves are falling...
I am bulking.
Cardio
Myth
Muscle
Growth

[Capebuffalo]

Why do I get so sleepy at about the 3.5 hr mark?

[tarmyg]

Can you run an insulin cycle while on a ketogenic diet?

[Obs]

Can you run an insulin cycle while on a ketogenic diet?

Oh man you are gonna have him breaking out the big guns now!

Yes you can and prepare to have your mind blow on the rest of what he says...


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[GearHeaded]

Can you run an insulin cycle while on a ketogenic diet?

When your on a Ketogenic diet and in deep ketosis (ie, your brain is running efficiently on Ketones) the odds of you dying, going into a comma, or passing out from hypo-glycemia go WAY way down, nearly to zero. its almost impossible , why is this?

IF your not on Keto, then your brain has access to only one fuel source - glucose - the reason you hear of diabetics going into shock or a coma from an insulin over dose is because the insulin has driven their blood sugar down so low, that the brain no longer has a fuel source and begins to stop functioning (it can't function without fuel). it shuts down and a coma or death occurs.

IF you have Ketones in large supply in your body and your brain is already running off of Ketones, then thats the brains fuel source . NOT Sugar. so if you took to much insulin and drove blood sugar way way down. your brain would just still keep ticking along as normal because its running off of Ketones.

note: there is a study where people fasted for several days ( I think it was a week or so) and got into deep ketosis. They were given 20iu of insulin and closely monitored. Blood sugar levels dropped some but there was no ill effect on the brain at all .
again, because the brain was running on Ketones not sugar.

note- some people may ask . well when your in deep ketosis why do you have any glucose in your blood stream at all if your brain is not using it for fuel ? because there are certain cells in the body (not the brain) that can ONLY run on glucose alone and nothing else.. so your body has to always be producing glucose in order to keep these cells going (red blood cells are one example).


so YES you can run insulin while on keto. and your actually in a 'protected state' sort of speak.. I've actually thought about supplementing with exogenous Ketones while running insulin as a back up safety measure (but I've never had hypo glycemic issues and I have carbs available all the time) . but you can see where someone considering what I said above may find a way to implement dietary ketones in their protocols.


having said all that . I've found zero reason personally to run insulin on a Keto diet . now on a CKD or modified keto diet, using insulin for your re-feed days may provide some benefit.
I'll have to think about it some more. but I'm a huge fan of carbs for muscle building (I implement keto only for short mini cuts and anti inflammatory diet reasons, NOT for performance reasons . . . unless you were a triathlete or something )

[GearHeaded]

Why do I get so sleepy at about the 3.5 hr mark?

check your blood sugar at this time.. also its pretty common for people to get drowsy after consuming a large amount of carbs for several hours.
but I'm curious what your post perineal blood glucose levels are at this time

[Obs]

When your on a Ketogenic diet and in deep ketosis (ie, your brain is running efficiently on Ketones) the odds of you dying, going into a comma, or passing out from hypo-glycemia go WAY way down, nearly to zero. its almost impossible , why is this?

IF your not on Keto, then your brain has access to only one fuel source - glucose - the reason you hear of diabetics going into shock or a coma from an insulin over dose is because the insulin has driven their blood sugar down so low, that the brain no longer has a fuel source and begins to stop functioning (it can't function without fuel). it shuts down and a coma or death occurs.

IF you have Ketones in large supply in your body and your brain is already running off of Ketones, then thats the brains fuel source . NOT Sugar. so if you took to much insulin and drove blood sugar way way down. your brain would just still keep ticking along as normal because its running off of Ketones.

note: there is a study where people fasted for several days ( I think it was a week or so) and got into deep ketosis. They were given 20iu of insulin and closely monitored. Blood sugar levels dropped some but there was no ill effect on the brain at all .
again, because the brain was running on Ketones not sugar.

note- some people may ask . well when your in deep ketosis why do you have any glucose in your blood stream at all if your brain is not using it for fuel ? because there are certain cells in the body (not the brain) that can ONLY run on glucose alone and nothing else.. so your body has to always be producing glucose in order to keep these cells going (red blood cells are one example).


so YES you can run insulin while on keto. and your actually in a 'protected state' sort of speak.. I've actually thought about supplementing with exogenous Ketones while running insulin as a back up safety measure (but I've never had hypo glycemic issues and I have carbs available all the time) . but you can see where someone considering what I said above may find a way to implement dietary ketones in their protocols.


having said all that . I've found zero reason personally to run insulin on a Keto diet . now on a CKD or modified keto diet, using insulin for your re-feed days may provide some benefit.
I'll have to think about it some more. but I'm a huge fan of carbs for muscle building (I implement keto only for short mini cuts and anti inflammatory diet reasons, NOT for performance reasons . . . unless you were a triathlete or something )

Damn he rammed it in all at once!

[Couchlockd]

Why do I get so sleepy at about the 3.5 hr mark?

Hey cape I couldn't find the thread, but I was thinking about your test p issues.

Have you ever tried test phenyl prop? (TPP)

[Capebuffalo]

Hey cape I couldn't find the thread, but I was thinking about your test p issues.

Have you ever tried test phenyl prop? (TPP)

No. I don’t think I have.

[Couchlockd]

No. I don’t think I have.

Try it out it's 2-3 day half life. Prop is 1-1.5

[Capebuffalo]

Try it out it's 2-3 day half life. Prop is 1-1.5

Thx. I’ll see what I can find.

[-Ender-]

Thx. I’ll see what I can find.

TPP was one of my favorites. I saw it offered not too long ago. I believe that source has fallen from grace however, have to double check.

[Capebuffalo]

TPP was one of my favorites. I saw it offered not too long ago. I believe that source has fallen from grace however, have to double check.

Thx. I don’t remember seeing it offered.

[Obs]

Thx. I don’t remember seeing it offered.

Couch can hook you up with basic.
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