Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[Couchlockd]

Thx. I don’t remember seeing it offered.

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[Capebuffalo]

check your blood sugar at this time.. also its pretty common for people to get drowsy after consuming a large amount of carbs for several hours.
but I'm curious what your post perineal blood glucose levels are at this time

Well GH 3.5 hr mark glucose level is 116.

[GearHeaded]

Well GH 3.5 hr mark glucose level is 116.

ok so your 3.5 hours post injection of 5iu ? when was your last meal and what was it and how much ?

[Capebuffalo]

ok so your 3.5 hours post injection of 5iu ? when was your last meal and what was it and how much ?

No. 7:30 am 5 iu. Worked out. 8 am 10 iu. Last meal was a shake at 10:30. Carbs 87.5 protien 30 fat 4 Cals 505

[Capebuffalo]

Total for the day so far (3 meals )
Carb 326.5
Protien 96
Fat 16
Cals 925

Edit. (4)
Carb 374.5
Pro 122
Fat 36
Cals 1585

[GearHeaded]

No. 7:30 am 5 iu. Worked out. 8 am 10 iu. Last meal was a shake at 10:30. Carbs 87.5 protien 30 fat 4 Cals 505

how long ago was 10:30 your time ? where I'm at 10:30 has not arrived yet so I'm not sure how long its been since your last shake as far as 'hours and mins' your time

[Capebuffalo]

how long ago was 10:30 your time ? where I'm at 10:30 has not arrived yet so I'm not sure how long its been since your last shake as far as 'hours and mins' your time

2 hrs since 10:30

Blood was 1 hr after last shake.

[GearHeaded]

2 hrs since 10:30

Blood was 1 hr after last shake.

ok if the blood sugar check happened only an hour after your meal , then thats a little too soon for a 'true' post perineal. at least 2 hours after is generally best. BUT having said that your already at a good post meal blood sugar of 116 . IF your in the 130s then you've taken in way too many carbs for the amount of insulin or your having some insulin resistance issues . IF your under 85, then your not taking in enough carbs for your insulin dosage.
you can try again in an hour , but I'm guessing your going to be within range (cause again your already below 130 at only 1 hour ... but need to see if you drop below 85)

[Capebuffalo]

ok if the blood sugar check happened only an hour after your meal , then thats a little too soon for a 'true' post perineal. at least 2 hours after is generally best. BUT having said that your already at a good post meal blood sugar of 116 . IF your in the 130s then you've taken in way too many carbs for the amount of insulin or your having some insulin resistance issues . IF your under 85, then your not taking in enough carbs for your insulin dosage.
you can try again in an hour , but I'm guessing your going to be within range (cause again your already below 130 at only 1 hour ... but need to see if you drop below 85)

Ok. Let me make sure I’m understanding.

Meal 1 7 am

Slin 5 ius. 7:30 am

Carb drink during wo

Slin. 10 ius 8 am

Shake. 8am

Meal. 9 am

Shake. 10 am

Meal 2. 12:30

You want me to check my glucose at 12 pm?

And if I’m in range does that mean I can increase my slin dose?

[charger69]

Ok. Let me make sure I’m understanding.

Meal 1 7 am

Slin 5 ius. 7:30 am

Carb drink during wo

Slin. 10 ius 8 am

Shake. 8am

Meal. 9 am

Shake. 10 am

Meal 2. 12:30

You want me to check my glucose at 12 pm?

And if I’m in range does that mean I can increase my slin dose?

Your going to get fat! LOL
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[GearHeaded]

ok I'm trying to make sense of your schedule . you only workout between 7:30am and 8am ?

[Capebuffalo]

ok I'm trying to make sense of your schedule . you only workout between 7:30am and 8am ?

Correct. 7:30 usually 30-45 min.

[Capebuffalo]

Your going to get fat! LOL
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If by fat you mean a beast you are right. I’ve got a crazy metabolism. And a physical job. Plus it’s coming on winter I need a layer of warmth.

[GearHeaded]

Correct. 7:30 usually 30-45 min.

ok makes sense... so I'd try and split your insulin dosages out just a wee bit further then. I knew your workouts were short but I didn't realize how tight together all the meals and dosages were.

so my idea. take your first insulin dose with your breakfast. which is at 7 . then you workout at 730 and take in your intra workout drink.
And, instead of having a post workout shake right at 8 and a meal at 9. can you combine these two into one meal at 8:30 and take your second injection at that time? and then have another meal at 10.
THEN, at about noon (right before your 1230 meal) you check you blood sugar and that gives you a true 2 hour post-perineal reading that is accurate AFTER you've already had the second insulin spike (which happens at about the 2-2.5 hour post injection time).

[Capebuffalo]

ok makes sense... so I'd try and split your insulin dosages out just a wee bit further then. I knew your workouts were short but I didn't realize how tight together all the meals and dosages were.

so my idea. take your first insulin dose with your breakfast. which is at 7 . then you workout at 730 and take in your intra workout drink.
And, instead of having a post workout shake right at 8 and a meal at 9. can you combine these two into one meal at 8:30 and take your second injection at that time? and then have another meal at 10.
THEN, at about noon (right before your 1230 meal) you check you blood sugar and that gives you a true 2 hour post-perineal reading that is accurate AFTER you've already had the second insulin spike (which happens at about the 2-2.5 hour post injection time).

Ok. Thank you. I like the timing of your way better. I was crowding a lot in there.

Would you still do the 5 ius then the 10 ius? Or do you think I could run 10 and 10. Would that make a big enough difference or only a minimal one.

[kelkel]

so my idea. take your first insulin dose with your breakfast. which is at 7 . then you workout at 730 and take in your intra workout drink.
And, instead of having a post workout shake right at 8 and a meal at 9. can you combine these two into one meal at 8:30 and take your second injection at that time? and then have another meal at 10.
THEN, at about noon (right before your 1230 meal) you check you blood sugar and that gives you a true 2 hour post-perineal reading that is accurate AFTER you've already had the second insulin spike (which happens at about the 2-2.5 hour post injection time).

Damn GH. It's like a full time job!

[GearHeaded]

Ok. Thank you. I like the timing of your way better. I was crowding a lot in there.

Would you still do the 5 ius then the 10 ius? Or do you think I could run 10 and 10. Would that make a big enough difference or only a minimal one.

IF you can assimilate the carbs and not go hypo , then an extra 5iu will make a difference. especially if your trying to put on size.
you may even consider running another 5iu at a completely different time of the day.

example - me personally - I'm running 5iu of slin first thing in the morning when I wake up with 5iu of GH . BUT I don't workout until evening. Thats when my pre and post workout insulin comes in (10iu pre - 10-15 post). but the time frame from my pre and post can be hours.

[GearHeaded]

Damn GH. It's like a full time job!

yeah you can make it that way no doubt .. add in HGH injections thoroughout the day , and peptides on top of that.. its a job for sure.

but , you can keep it simple. 10iu slin pre-workout with intra workout nutrition and thats it. just think of it as a 'pre-workout' routine.
OR, if your sensitive to going hypo. do 10iu of slin with your post workout nutrition and thats it.
you can make pretty easy

[Capebuffalo]

IF you can assimilate the carbs and not go hypo , then an extra 5iu will make a difference. especially if your trying to put on size.
you may even consider running another 5iu at a completely different time of the day.

example - me personally - I'm running 5iu of slin first thing in the morning when I wake up with 5iu of GH . BUT I don't workout until evening. Thats when my pre and post workout insulin comes in (10iu pre - 10-15 post). but the time frame from my pre and post can be hours.

Thanks for straightening this out for me. I’m going to start tomorrow with 10 ius at wake up and 10 ius 30 min after workout.

If you can get me bigger than Obs I’ll appreciate it. I’m also just running a little cycle Test C 700 Tren A 350 pw and Monster Mix ( dbol 50/anadrol 50) ed. But I’m hearing things on Slin and Suspension I’m interested in trying.

[Capebuffalo]

Anyone beside me ever read all of this?

https://forums.steroid.com/igf-1-lr3...k-insulin.html

[GearHeaded]

Thanks for straightening this out for me. I’m going to start tomorrow with 10 ius at wake up and 10 ius 30 min after workout.

If you can get me bigger than Obs I’ll appreciate it. I’m also just running a little cycle Test C 700 Tren A 350 pw and Monster Mix ( dbol 50/anadrol 50) ed. But I’m hearing things on Slin and Suspension I’m interested in trying.

slin, dbol , adrol, with a test dosage higher then your tren dosage ,, your defiantly on the right track to getting big.

in regards to Insulin and Suspension . I've mentioned this a few times in some of the threads on here. one thing I mentioned was using that combo as a way or boosting recovery (which ultimately helps getting big) , BUT yeah you can use that as a pre-workout no doubt. Author Rea was a big proponent of doing this. the insulin protocol is just a little bit different though (not by much).
I'm helping Obs with a 'get massive' protocol , and you can be sure that insulin and test suspension will be part of that (just for one phase is all though). I'm sure he'd be happy to share what we come up with though with everyone here

[Capebuffalo]

slin, dbol , adrol, with a test dosage higher then your tren dosage ,, your defiantly on the right track to getting big.

in regards to Insulin and Suspension . I've mentioned this a few times in some of the threads on here. one thing I mentioned was using that combo as a way or boosting recovery (which ultimately helps getting big) , BUT yeah you can use that as a pre-workout no doubt. Author Rea was a big proponent of doing this. the insulin protocol is just a little bit different though (not by much).
I'm helping Obs with a 'get massive' protocol , and you can be sure that insulin and test suspension will be part of that (just for one phase is all though). I'm sure he'd be happy to share what we come up with though with everyone here

Ha ha. Thank you sir. 215 here I come. Then 225.

[Capebuffalo]

slin, dbol , adrol, with a test dosage higher then your tren dosage ,, your defiantly on the right track to getting big.

in regards to Insulin and Suspension . I've mentioned this a few times in some of the threads on here. one thing I mentioned was using that combo as a way or boosting recovery (which ultimately helps getting big) , BUT yeah you can use that as a pre-workout no doubt. Author Rea was a big proponent of doing this. the insulin protocol is just a little bit different though (not by much).
I'm helping Obs with a 'get massive' protocol , and you can be sure that insulin and test suspension will be part of that (just for one phase is all though). I'm sure he'd be happy to share what we come up with though with everyone here

I’ve got 3 more weeks on this. Would there be a benefit to increasing any of the dosages for the last 3 weeks?

[GearHeaded]

I’ve got 3 more weeks on this. Would there be a benefit to increasing any of the dosages for the last 3 weeks?

how long have you been on ? are you going back to just TRT when you come off and how long on TRT will you cruise before jumping on a blast again?

the only thing I would see a benefit of increasing for a short time would be the Anadrol up to 100mg per day , BUT it looks like its in a mix with your Dbol , so you can't up one without upping the other correct ?

[charger69]

GH- I can’t be outdone by Cape, so I need to step up my game.
I work out 2 x / day. In the morning I do the major muscle groups and in the afternoon I do cardio (HIIT) and an isolated muscle (calves, forearms, abs and traps). I do traps to try and get as big as Obs. LOL
I am presently bulking with deca and test. I just dropped the anadrol and am thinking of using proviron . I use slin in the morning before and after the workout. Usually 10 iu’s. On leg day, I use 15 before and after.
Would I get any benefits from using slin in the evening too? I have used it for cutting (2-3 ius) in the evening, but never as I do in the morning for building muscle.

Will blood flow restriction training thrown in at the end synergize with the slin?

I’m not competitive at all.


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[Capebuffalo]

how long have you been on ? are you going back to just TRT when you come off and how long on TRT will you cruise before jumping on a blast again?

the only thing I would see a benefit of increasing for a short time would be the Anadrol up to 100mg per day , BUT it looks like its in a mix with your Dbol, so you can't up one without upping the other correct ?

Was thinking a 2 week cruise and back on with something like you posted with the phases. Yeah it’s a mix. I ran 100 mg each a day but the heartburn was not worth it for me.

[Capebuffalo]

GH- I can’t be outdone by Cape, so I need to step up my game.
I work out 2 x / day. In the morning I do the major muscle groups and in the afternoon I do cardio (HIIT) and an isolated muscle (calves, forearms, abs and traps). I do traps to try and get as big as Obs. LOL
I am presently bulking with deca and test. I just dropped the anadrol and am thinking of using proviron . I use slin in the morning before and after the workout. Usually 10 iu’s. On leg day, I use 15 before and after.
Would I get any benefits from using slin in the evening too? I have used it for cutting (2-3 ius) in the evening, but never as I do in the morning for building muscle.

Will blood flow restriction training thrown in at the end synergize with the slin?

I’m not competitive at all.


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Gh. I can’t be out doneby that old man Charger. What can I do to stay ahead of him. He seems to be on a downward slide just FYI.

[charger69]

Gh. I can’t be out doneby that old man Charger. What can I do to stay ahead of him. He seems to be on a downward slide just FYI.

Those is feuding words!!


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[Capebuffalo]

Those is feuding words!!


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Good to know your hearing aid is in and I didn’t have to repeat myself.

[kelkel]

yeah you can make it that way no doubt .. add in HGH injections thoroughout the day , and peptides on top of that.. its a job for sure.

but , you can keep it simple. 10iu slin pre-workout with intra workout nutrition and thats it. just think of it as a 'pre-workout' routine.
OR, if your sensitive to going hypo. do 10iu of slin with your post workout nutrition and thats it.
you can make pretty easy

Now that intrigues me. It would be nice to add some extra pounds next cycle. Commencing soon I hope...

[charger69]

Was thinking a 2 week cruise and back on with something like you posted with the phases. Yeah it’s a mix. I ran 100 mg each a day but the heartburn was not worth it for me.

Mix a teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of water. No more heartburn!!


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[Capebuffalo]

Mix a teaspoon of baking soda in a glass of water. No more heartburn!!


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Really

[charger69]

Really

Yes, it works miracles. I was skeptical at first. Try it and you will see.


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[Capebuffalo]

Yes, it works miracles. I was skeptical at first. Try it and you will see.


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As needed or once a day?

A trick you learned when you were crossing the Oregon Trail?

[charger69]

As needed or once a day?

A trick you learned when you were crossing the Oregon Trail?

I took it as needed, which was every time that I took liquid oral winstrol .
If you know what is causing it, take it just after.
Oh BTW- I learned it during the gold rush!

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[Capebuffalo]

Great Charger youran GH off

[GearHeaded]

GH- I can’t be outdone by Cape, so I need to step up my game.
I work out 2 x / day. In the morning I do the major muscle groups and in the afternoon I do cardio (HIIT) and an isolated muscle (calves, forearms, abs and traps). I do traps to try and get as big as Obs. LOL
I am presently bulking with deca and test. I just dropped the anadrol and am thinking of using proviron . I use slin in the morning before and after the workout. Usually 10 iu’s. On leg day, I use 15 before and after.
Would I get any benefits from using slin in the evening too? I have used it for cutting (2-3 ius) in the evening, but never as I do in the morning for building muscle.

Will blood flow restriction training thrown in at the end synergize with the slin?

hey charger, I like your two a day routine you got going on. sounds well planned and I'm sure your executing it well.

the only very very small thing I would nit pick about it is that for mass gains , it would be just a little bit better if it was turned around. where you did your HIIT and isolated muscle groups in the AM , and then your main training and lifts in the PM.
but yeah understand you got to make it work how you can with your schedule.

YES. if you can afford adding in Proviorn to your cycles it will only help. its not much of an anabolic but it will just make everything else work better, so its 'indirectly' anabolic. what good is a gram of test per week if its all bound up by SHBG,, proviron will help make a lower dose of test work more effectively.

for mass and overall gains, I like using Slin pre and post workout like I've explained on this forum quite a bit. BUT I also like to add in one more insulin /nutrient surge during the day as well.. for me , timing wise, this works best first thing in the morning (I train in the evening). I take 5iu of HGh and 5iu of slin with a shake. this keeps me anti-catabolic and drives plenty of nutrients into the muscle cells to sustain me until I'm able to get more food and nutrients and training in later on that day.
for you, and your schedule may be quite opposite of mine. but if you can find a time, quite a ways separate then your normal insulin workout protocol, to take in more insulin and a shake (whey isolate, carbs, creatine, glutamine), then this will help you grow.

I've personally never utilized blood flow restriction with myself or any of my clients. I use something similar, "cell swelling work" where the concept is to keep as much blood and nutrients in the muscle as long as possible, similar to BFR training.
being insulin itself is in the blood, and so are all the nutrients that are needed for muscle building, getting as much as that blood to deliver these things to the muscle cells makes sense to me. . . so BFR training with insulin pre-workout should be a good strategy.

[Capebuffalo]

hey charger, I like your two a day routine you got going on. sounds well planned and I'm sure your executing it well.

the only very very small thing I would nit pick about it is that for mass gains , it would be just a little bit better if it was turned around. where you did your HIIT and isolated muscle groups in the AM , and then your main training and lifts in the PM.
but yeah understand you got to make it work how you can with your schedule.

YES. if you can afford adding in Proviorn to your cycles it will only help. its not much of an anabolic but it will just make everything else work better, so its 'indirectly' anabolic. what good is a gram of test per week if its all bound up by SHBG,, proviron will help make a lower dose of test work more effectively.

for mass and overall gains, I like using Slin pre and post workout like I've explained on this forum quite a bit. BUT I also like to add in one more insulin /nutrient surge during the day as well.. for me , timing wise, this works best first thing in the morning (I train in the evening). I take 5iu of HGh and 5iu of slin with a shake. this keeps me anti-catabolic and drives plenty of nutrients into the muscle cells to sustain me until I'm able to get more food and nutrients and training in later on that day.
for you, and your schedule may be quite opposite of mine. but if you can find a time, quite a ways separate then your normal insulin workout protocol, to take in more insulin and a shake (whey isolate, carbs, creatine, glutamine), then this will help you grow.

I've personally never utilized blood flow restriction with myself or any of my clients. I use something similar, "cell swelling work" where the concept is to keep as much blood and nutrients in the muscle as long as possible, similar to BFR training.
being insulin itself is in the blood, and so are all the nutrients that are needed for muscle building, getting as much as that blood to deliver these things to the muscle cells makes sense to me. . . so BFR training with insulin pre-workout should be a good strategy.

That being said. What would you recommend for me? Suggestion for bulk run?

[Kay kay]

It’s really not. When I did rapid acting slin, I would do my shot (15-20iu), drink my shake about 20 mins later, (8g carb per iu), and then that’s it. That worked for me and I discovered no need to monitor or involve
Further meals after that. Many workout days I was doing a rapid shot before each meal.
It really gave me great results.

I’m really glad more people are opening to the idea of slin.

[Capebuffalo]

It’s really not. When I did rapid acting slin, I would do my shot (15-20iu), drink my shake about 20 mins later, (8g carb per iu), and then that’s it. That worked for me and I discovered no need to monitor or involve
Further meals after that. Many workout days I was doing a rapid shot before each meal.
It really gave me great results.

I’m really glad more people are opening to the idea of slin.

What are your stats KK?