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    Quote Originally Posted by gangers View Post
    right but when that happens is thier ever a chance you could come off it and restart your balls??????

    also ive heard of people becoming so weak from steroid abuse they can barely walk can that happen????? and if that can really happen is testosterone the only thing those people need to take?????
    The point ot TRT is the fact ya balls have stopped working or are producing less than you need.

    So you shouldn't consider TRT unless bloodwork over a good amount of time determines you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git2 View Post
    The point ot TRT is the fact ya balls have stopped working or are producing less than you need.

    So you shouldn't consider TRT unless bloodwork over a good amount of time determines you need it.
    thanks for all your help shifty.

    why are you signed in as a different name????

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    Quote Originally Posted by gangers View Post
    thanks for all your help shifty.

    why are you signed in as a different name????
    Havent been here for a good while, and cant sign in on my main account for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git2 View Post
    Havent been here for a good while, and cant sign in on my main account for some reason.
    that sucks ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gangers View Post
    that sucks ass.
    Well hope i havent done any wrong - had a shit time of recent, and now getting back into the swing of things - would like this place to be a part of it again.

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    I recommend cycling dhts/orals in and out through out this, don't need major dosages. Proviron works great.

    Disclaimer-BG is presenting fictitious opinions and does in no way encourage nor condone the use of any illegal substances.
    The information discussed is strictly for entertainment purposes only.


    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    hey BG! great to see ya back here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git2 View Post
    hey BG! great to see ya back here!
    Hey shifty, stop hijackin' my thread Osama

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic View Post
    do you plan on staying on hrt for the rest of your life? I'm assuming so right? I've thought about running 6+ months of test but when i think about the shutdown and recovery issues i cant force myself to want to do it.

    good luck with the cycle though, you'll have some great gains
    I'm on for life borther.
    looking forward to see my 25 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    I recommend cycling dhts/orals in and out through out this, don't need major dosages. Proviron works great.
    i will be using that as soon as I get it
    thanx for the rec. bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    I'm on for life borther.
    looking forward to see my 25 lbs
    running hrt through your own means or through an endo? i commend you, its a brave thing to do to stay on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic View Post
    running hrt through your own means or through an endo? i commend you, its a brave thing to do to stay on.
    wt do u mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shifty_git2 View Post
    hey BG! great to see ya back here!
    Good to see you back too!!!

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    Everything was impossible until somebody did it!

    I've got 99 problems......but my squat/dead ain't one !!

    It doesnt matter how good looking she is, some where, some one is tired of her shit.

    Light travels faster then sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

    Great place to start researching ! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amorphic View Post
    do you plan on staying on hrt for the rest of your life? I'm assuming so right? I've thought about running 6+ months of test but when i think about the shutdown and recovery issues i cant force myself to want to do it.

    good luck with the cycle though, you'll have some great gains
    6 months is nothing,I just knocked my wife up after being on for 3yrs straight,we tried for 8 months and nothing(whie i was still on
    ),I stopped for one month.hcg 1500iu eod for 2 weeks and clomid 100mg day for 3 weeks and then I went back on(dont like being off),found out she was pregnant 6 weeks later.

    this is my 5th kid,been using for 21 yrs now.stop believing the media

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVLDOG View Post
    6 months is nothing,I just knocked my wife up after being on for 3yrs straight,we tried for 8 months and nothing(whie i was still on
    ),I stopped for one month.hcg 1500iu eod for 2 weeks and clomid 100mg day for 3 weeks and then I went back on(dont like being off),found out she was pregnant 6 weeks later.

    this is my 5th kid,been using for 21 yrs now.stop believing the media
    great news man. Good for you, and leaves me with some hope in case i get crazy and decide to have kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    great news man. Good for you, and leaves me with some hope in case i get crazy and decide to have kids.
    that makes 2 of us!

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    So 2 weeks ago I switched my diet up a little, increased calories by 1000 cals/day
    of which 300 cals from protein, 600 cals from carbs and about 100-200 cals from fat.
    Red meat at least 5 times/week, 10-14 oz each meal.
    Daily intake:
    30 Egg whites
    175 grams scoops whey and casein
    16 oz FF Cottage chaeese
    6 cups oatmeal
    6 pieces of fruit
    1.5 lbs chicken breast (some times its only 1 lb and 10 oz of Tuna)
    12 oz beef
    1/2 cup nuts
    3 TBS olive oil and/or flax
    60 grams Waxy Maize

    Current Stats:
    5'11" 225 lbs BF~10%

    Still on 50 mg Test P/ED
    Switching to Test E and Deca in 2 weeks 500 mg and 400 mg/week respectivley for the next 5 months.

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    Oh yeah forgot, divide the entire amoutn by 10-11 meals. (2-3 shakes and the rest actual meals) but my shakes are something like this:
    1.5 scoop whey
    1 cup oatmeal
    1/8 cup nuts

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    solid work and plan

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    what does your total calories look like?

    no PCT??

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    Smokethedays your my f**king hero by the way

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    Goodluck with everyhting man!! Looking good in your avatar too mate
    Last edited by I_Want_Abs; 09-21-2008 at 05:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarface69 View Post
    what does your total calories look like?

    no PCT??
    Have you even read this thread???

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    Thanx for the you compliments guys and the support, i really appreciate it.
    Currently in the 7000 cals range, tryin to bring it up to 8k and finally 10k like PT suggested

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    You are my hero!

    How do you get your blood work done, what are you looking for in your blood work?

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    cals a day

    Quote Originally Posted by mkrulic View Post
    I am currious what it costs you to eat per day.
    no way you could eat 10000 cals of quality whole foods and good fat to do this!
    Plus you can only absorb so many cals a day, the rest is wasted AKA "poop"
    the AVERAGE a human male can process in a day is 3500, 2000 is a maintainance diet so people wont get fat at 2000cals a day.

    since 3500cals is average then i would eat at least 4000 in case I was on the high side of cal uptake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnykenney View Post
    no way you could eat 10000 cals of quality whole foods and good fat to do this!
    Plus you can only absorb so many cals a day, the rest is wasted AKA "poop"
    the AVERAGE a human male can process in a day is 3500, 2000 is a maintainance diet so people wont get fat at 2000cals a day.

    since 3500cals is average then i would eat at least 4000 in case I was on the high side of cal uptake.
    Who said i was human?

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    that depends on your training intensity and muscle mass, so yes sir you can eat outrageous amount of cals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWyvern View Post
    You are my hero!

    How do you get your blood work done, what are you looking for in your blood work?
    LDL level, Liver values (keep it below the refernce max by 3-5 ppints at least), Carnintine levels (kidney profile).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnykenney View Post
    no way you could eat 10000 cals of quality whole foods and good fat to do this!
    Plus you can only absorb so many cals a day, the rest is wasted AKA "poop"
    the AVERAGE a human male can process in a day is 3500, 2000 is a maintainance diet so people wont get fat at 2000cals a day.

    since 3500cals is average then i would eat at least 4000 in case I was on the high side of cal uptake.
    Oh by the way, read post #57 there is my daily intake of food, around the 7k already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVLDOG View Post
    6 months is nothing,I just knocked my wife up after being on for 3yrs straight,we tried for 8 months and nothing(whie i was still on
    ),I stopped for one month.hcg 1500iu eod for 2 weeks and clomid 100mg day for 3 weeks and then I went back on(dont like being off),found out she was pregnant 6 weeks later.

    this is my 5th kid,been using for 21 yrs now.stop believing the media
    i dont just 'believe the media'

    ive already considered running a long cycle.

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    human

    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    Who said i was human?
    LOL! you almost don't look it

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    700 cals

    Quote Originally Posted by smokethedays View Post
    Oh by the way, read post #57 there is my daily intake of food, around the 7k already.
    so about 3000 cals are being wasted. (depending on your body)
    that can get expensive.
    the reason you are not getting fat on this diet is that you can only use so many cals no matter how hard you work. and it looks like you work very hard!

    Could you add up your daily colesterol,fat,carbs and protien intake on a 7000-10000 diet and post that for us also?
    Thanks Bro!
    lookin good!

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    hows the fat gain with the 7k kcals consumption aday?

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    Current stats:
    228 lbs
    ~11% BF.
    daily calsis in the 7k range still.
    daily red meat, strength increased about 15%.

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    18months wow. 10k cal a day thats a cycle, best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joescobra03 View Post
    18months wow. 10k cal a day thats a cycle, best of luck.
    Thank you man

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    Switched to Test E 3 weeks ago at 500 mg/week shot 2x/week.
    Already feeling it, water retension is up, strength is UP.
    Cals is still around 7k over 9-10 meals.
    current weight:
    230, can't really estimate BF because of water increase. But getting a BF test today in the water.

    I'll keep you guys updated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinnykenney View Post
    no way you could eat 10000 cals of quality whole foods and good fat to do this!
    Plus you can only absorb so many cals a day, the rest is wasted AKA "poop"
    the AVERAGE a human male can process in a day is 3500, 2000 is a maintainance diet so people wont get fat at 2000cals a day.

    since 3500cals is average then i would eat at least 4000 in case I was on the high side of cal uptake.
    got any data at all to support that? Totally ridiculous.
    If that were true people would never get fat.

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    good luck with the cycle
    not one I would want to do, but hope you do well with it.

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