1st Cycle - Test E 500EW & Anadrol 50mg

[Rambo824]

Stats and pics will be posted tomorrow, just wanted to start the thread. what info do you guys need from me on here?

[wukillabee]

Stats and pics will be posted tomorrow, just wanted to start the thread. what info do you guys need from me on here?

Basics would be good like age, height, weight, body fat percentage (maybe we could guess for u when u post up the before pics), years training, basic daily diet, goals for this cycle, what pins (size/length/brand) are u using, length of cycle in detail, etc. Hope u got 3 vials if ur doin 10 weeks or more. I made the mistake as a newb with 2 10ml vials thinkin thats enough for 10 weeks exactly right? Wrong, forgot ur lose about .1-.2ml of gear per shoot in the needle so had to get a 3rd vial to finish my cycle right.

[Rambo824]

Age: 22
Weight: 160
Height: 6'
Body Fat %: 13%(ish)
Years Training: 2 yrs pretty hard (5 days a week)

Goals For Cycle: get a base and go back at lifting natty for a while. second cycle in about 8 months maybe.

CYCLE:
weeks 1-4 Anadrol 50MG daily, mite up it on the last two weeks to 100MG daily.
weeks 1-12 Test E dosed at 500MG, pin twice a week. mon/thurs split (20ml Vial) (i will be getting another vial for the last 3 weeks of the cycle, as advised above)

Pins: 25G w/ 1inch needle, brand: B-D precision glide. singles (ind. wrapped)

[Rambo824]

Training Regiment:

Monday- Chest
Tuesday- Back
Wednesday- Legs
Thursday- Shoulders
Friday- Arms
Saturday - circuit training or off day
Sunday- off day

is this enough?

[Rambo824]

first pin of Test E 250mg was last night. feeling a little sore today in the glute from the shot. today was back day and had a good pump going.

[wukillabee]

Age: 22
Weight: 160
Height: 6'
Body Fat %: 13%(ish)
Years Training: 2 yrs pretty hard (5 days a week)

Goals For Cycle: get a base and go back at lifting natty for a while. second cycle in about 8 months maybe.

CYCLE:
weeks 1-4 Anadrol 50MG daily, mite up it on the last two weeks to 100MG daily.
weeks 1-12 Test E dosed at 500MG, pin twice a week. mon/thurs split (20ml Vial) (i will be getting another vial for the last 3 weeks of the cycle, as advised above)

Pins: 25G w/ 1inch needle, brand: B-D precision glide. singles (ind. wrapped)

Well to be honest bro u build a base all natty before cnsidering aas, u dont use aas to build a base. With those stats ur way underdeveloped to begin the dark journey on aas. Just my .02. What gauge pin u using to draw? Hope u didnt use a 25g 1" for ur glute, need 1 1.5" for glute but could still be 25g. U heat the oil at all before shooting, helps with pain a lot. I just get a shot glass, fill .25 of it with water, put in microwave for 15 seconds, then take out and put my vial in the shot glass, let it sit for about 3-4 minutes then shoot. Just make sure the level of water is below the rubber stopper when placing the vial in, better safe than sorry. What sites r u thinking of using for ur shots? Hope ur not gonna just do glutes for 10 weeks straight. What kind of diet u got goin? Cant be that good at 160lbs, training for 2+yrs, and 6 feet tall. Better add some more protein and CARBS to ur diet if u want to grow bro. Could have done this all natty but looks like u already started.

["Maximus"]

Well to be honest bro u build a base all natty before cnsidering aas, u dont use aas to build a base. With those stats ur way underdeveloped to begin the dark journey on aas. Just my .02. ... What kind of diet u got goin? Cant be that good at 160lbs, training for 2+yrs, and 6 feet tall. Better add some more protein and CARBS to ur diet if u want to grow bro. Could have done this all natty but looks like u already started.

Couldn't be written better!

Should've hold it off untill you had developed a 'natty' base... you don't build a high rise on unbalanced/muddy grownd, right? Well, the same analogy applies somewhat here... work on your diet/workout routine and do your best since you already started the cycle. On the other hand, you can quit now (no need for PCT) and wait 6 - 8 months, develop a solid base and then resume cycle.

goodluck

[Rambo824]

Clean bulking diet (Slingshot dieting method)
This dieting method is carb-cycling, the reason because carbs, and calories are cycled is because (Theoretically) it should help add lean mass, due to the body wanting to hold on to homestasis (keeping the body the same), and the body not beeing able to hold homeostasis that good when you cycle your carbs, resulting in more net gain of musclemass throughout your bulking course.

The same plan is used during cutting to help maintain the musclemass better and stopping the body to be in homeostasis (to burn the fat better).

Well however.

This is the plan i'm thinking of:

I'm only going to write it rougly, before I can decide on all the food choices and such, then i'm going to add macronutrients

The diet would consist of:


Sunday, monday, tuesday, thursday, friday ("Low" carb days - 5 days a week)

325g protein
200g carbs
100g fat


Wednesday - Carbup (Clean day)

325g protein
450g carbs
100g fat

Saturday (Carbup day + cheat meal (1-2 meals)

325g protein
450g carbs
100g fat

This day I will keep protein the same, but carbs and fats can change, maybe a little less carbs and more fat, or the other way around, that would depend on which cheat meal(s) I decide on.

Food choices:

Carbs:

- Oatmeal
- Rice
- Whole wheat pasta
- Whole wheat bread (rarely.. if ever)
- Maxy maize after training

Protein source:

- Chicken
- Eggs
- Beef
- Fish
- Protein powders (Casein, whey)

Fat source:

- The fats in all the meat, and in the egg.. ofcourse
- EFA's daily
- Extra virgin oliveoil

Supplements:

- Vitamins
- Fatty acids
- Carb and protein powders



Meal planning throughout the day:

1: Carb/pro (Egg whites, oatmeal)
2: Fat/pro (Chicken, green veggies with oliveoil
3: Fat/pro (Chicken, green veggies with oliveoil
4: Carb/pro (Wholewheat pasta, beef)
5: Pro (Whey shake before training)

- Training -

6: Pro/carb (Whey with waxy maize)
7: Pro/carb (White rice, chicken)
8: Pro/fat (Eggs/fish with oliveoil)
9: Pro (Casein shake)

There will probably be minor changes, but that's the plan rougly


By the time I start this lean bulking diet I will be weighing 180 pounds (188 now, cutting 8 more pounds).

That will be 3000kcals (5days pr week) this will be upped to at least 3500kcals
, 4000kcals (1 day pr week),
4000 to 5000kcals (1 day pr week)


from vantheman, using his diet.

[Rambo824]

i have read the above but my diet is good now and i can't wait to reap the rewards from this cycle. and i shouldnt have said to develop a base, i just want to gain as much mass as possible.

[Rambo824]

questions & comments? advice... (everything will be considered)

[FireGuy]

Honestly. I think you have another 20 lbs of muscle to gain naturally in you. I know that's the last thing you want to hear and wont make a bit of difference in your decision. Looking at your pics I feel confident in saying your training and diet is way off. Sorry to rain on your parade, good luck whichever path you choose!

[stpete]

Welcome man. Personally, i would of recommended the test only for right now. Secondly, i understand the carb cycling in theory, but i think you just need to eat right and maybe do that down the road. I might even recommend a heavyweight gainer in there somewhere too. Why are you cutting the 8lbs? I say keep it.
Good luck man. I'll be checking it out.

[wukillabee]

Omg bro, this is as nice as ur gonna get it. Please please please, grab all ur aas (anadrol too) and put it in a safe place like a safe or even ur sock drawer for at least a couple years. U are wayyy too small and underdeveloped to even consider aas, period! From what u say and show us u prove u dont have the discipline, training, experience to even consider aas. Thats great u know how to copy and paste a diet routine, but taking to time everyday preparing ur 5-6 meals a day everyday and counting everything is another story my friend. That alone is something u have proven u cant do yet. Try that diet among other mass diets til u find out what works for u. Try many different mass style workout routines and excercises til u find out whats right for u. Gain at least 30-40lbs naturally, then consider taking the aas back out of that safe spot u kept it all these years. You'll be so much happier u did bro, trust me. Just given u the best and honest advice ur gonna get right now. To be honest, after lookin at those pics u reminded me of my bro's 16yr old little brother and he doesnt work out. Keep at it all natty, research research and have a strict bulk diet for a few years bro before coming back to aas. If u stop now u shouldnt need pct but could always run some nolva at 10mg ed for 5-7 days just to be safe. Please dont continue, it will be better this way in the long run bro. I went from a 5 10" skater punk at 130lb to 180lbs all natty in about 4yrs bro, u can do it too. Then did some prohormones and now goin on my first cycle at 200lbs and 5 10".

[Rambo824]

fair enough, no more injects and no more pills. i will hang it up, under the guidance you all have showed me. when 4 ppl tell you ur sick that usually means ur sick. i understand what u guys are saying and i will go hard at it natty. just wanted to shortcut it. can u guys point me in the right direction in terms of a very good bulk diet. perhaps a thread i can read or a detailed outline for a bulk diet. much appreciation.

[FireGuy]

WOW!!! Someone that asks for advice and actually heeds it! I am impressed and wish you the best of luck. Not everyone around here agrees all the time but most will do their best to send you in the right direction.

[wukillabee]

fair enough, no more injects and no more pills. i will hang it up, under the guidance you all have showed me. when 4 ppl tell you ur sick that usually means ur sick. i understand what u guys are saying and i will go hard at it natty. just wanted to shortcut it. can u guys point me in the right direction in terms of a very good bulk diet. perhaps a thread i can read or a detailed outline for a bulk diet. much appreciation.

Search this site bro, its really not hard. From the main forum page theres a list of like 10-12 sub-forums one in which is titled diet forum, cant miss it. On the top of that page is numerous stickies of diet plans and many members that will help make a diet for u. CHeck it out bro. Also b o d y b u i l d i n g dot com has tons of videos and what not of how to do excercises with perfect form and countless workout routines and info for u to try out, check them out too. Just search this site, read some bb mags, pick up arnolds 400+page encyclopedia book from barnes and noble or any main stream book store, well worth it. Where theres a will theres a way bro. If u really want it bad enough you find it! This path isnt for everyone, thats why only a few take it. Take ur time and save ur aas til ur good and ready. Right now ur not but maybe in a couple years u might be. SOme respond real fast some slower than others. Everyone's body reacts differently bro, just got to try new things in all aspects of bbing like diet, training routines, etc til u find out exactly what works for u and what ur body positively reponds to. Make sure u get a good 8-9hrs sleep everynight too, u grow in rem sleep bro. Thats when ur the most anabolic as well as the first 45 minutes after working out.

[Rambo824]

what would my bodyfat % be so i can use the calculators and find my RMR.

[Rambo824]

i have arnolds book. i think i know how to lift. my diet has never been correct.

[wukillabee]

what would my bodyfat % be so i can use the calculators and find my RMR.

Id say round 11-12% maybe. Cant really see the pics that well on my phone. Get some old school calipers and do it the old fashioned way. Much more accurate than those electronic handhelds u see at the gym. One day it said i was 20% and the next i was 14%, haha. U might know "how" to lift but look more into routines and training intensity. Once u really plateau on growth is when ur gonna have to use a lot of different training intensity styles to stimulate further growth like 21's, drop sets, supersets, circuit training, negatives, positives, pre-exhaust, list goes on and can find em in arnolds book. Theres a chapter or section on that topic alone. He also talks about diet to some length so u should really read up there and stop just lookin at the pictures, haha j/k bro. Good luck!

[Rambo824]

i will read up again on everything and post up a diet in the diet section asap. looking forward to the help here and in the diet section.

[subiedude03]

Like most people who have been posting, maybe a good diet and a better lifting plan would be better for you. By the pics you could gain a lot naturally

[Civic0]

i'll be honest, i saw the pics and did not read a single thread in this posting . . but after seeing your pics, i can only say one thing:

WHY THE **** WOULD YOU EVER CONSIDER USING STEROIDS IF YOU DONT EVEN HAVE "SOMEWHAT" OF A BASE TO START? COME ON MAN . . are you kidding us? do your research, eat, and grow naturally for as long as you can . . geese.

[WARMachine]

Geese, you bumped a 2 month old thread...

Geese...

[thetank]

2 months old or not..im pumped to see someone on here actually take some advice and have some patience. props brotha...bulk hard do it naturally and when you are ready to hit the sauce, and actually blow up, you'll thank everyone who steered you in the right direction.
all the best, yo.
peace
tank

[Civic0]

my man thetank . . thank you