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    dude taking some time to rest form the gym is like as productive as roids themselves. Just harder to bring yourself to take a few days down time, the gym bug keeps you going back for more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwijuice View Post
    lol yea cheesy but i know how you feel, i just wanna lift more and more and get STRONG, yea i think you do need more rest, if your not growing at the rate youd think you should be up the calories more {how many you eating a day now} ?rest more. and lift heavier.
    I'm gaining solid weight right now, and I am happy with it. My diet is excellent. You can review it on page 1 of this thread if you'd like. I'm taking in ~4500 calories everyday. Sometimes I like to shock my body and hit 6000 for one day a week. (but eating 6000 calories, clean, isn't particular easy)

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    dude taking some time to rest form the gym is like as productive as roids themselves. Just harder to bring yourself to take a few days down time, the gym bug keeps you going back for more!
    haha yup, it's terrible. Another problem is, I work at the gym, so the temptation to pump is always there.

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    hey serious have you had any problems with back acne or lumps in injection site from the test E?? just curious because i have recently got three zits on my back and am currently about four and a half weeks into test e/deca /dbol /slin cycle and am hoping that the acne will not get much worse...i realize most of it is probably from the dbol but im sure the test could also have something to do with it..when i started cycle i was at 148lbs and now am at 175...VERY happy with gains so far considering my side effects have been very little if any...some rage but mostly little things just piss me off more than usual...and other than that only the three aas pimples..just curious if you have had any similar sides..

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    haha yup, it's terrible. Another problem is, I work at the gym, so the temptation to pump is always there.
    Yeh that could be a prob. I get pumped just driving past my dam gym!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    hey serious have you had any problems with back acne or lumps in injection site from the test E?? just curious because i have recently got three zits on my back and am currently about four and a half weeks into test e/deca/dbol/slin cycle and am hoping that the acne will not get much worse...i realize most of it is probably from the dbol but im sure the test could also have something to do with it..when i started cycle i was at 148lbs and now am at 175...VERY happy with gains so far considering my side effects have been very little if any...some rage but mostly little things just piss me off more than usual...and other than that only the three aas pimples..just curious if you have had any similar sides..
    lol. that's a definite bulker-cycle you've got going right now. You've already gained 27 pounds? That's pretty ridiculous... but I guess you can thank the d-bol.

    I have not noticed any lumps whatsoever. I also haven't really noticed much acne. Maybe one or two pimples on my back... and I actually got a couple of zits on my face a few weeks ago.. but I none since. I just wash with anti-bacterial soap twice a day, it helps.

    I have been much happier for the last couple of weeks. I think it was during weeks 2 - 5 that I was honestly pissed off all day. I thought I was going to snap at everything.. but yah, it's gone now .... good luck with the rest of that cycle.. post up some updates on this forum, I wanna hear results... I still can't believe you've gained nearly 30 pounds in 4 weeks... I'd be worried about stretch marks if I was you!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    lol. that's a definite bulker-cycle you've got going right now. You've already gained 27 pounds? That's pretty ridiculous... but I guess you can thank the d-bol.

    I have not noticed any lumps whatsoever. I also haven't really noticed much acne. Maybe one or two pimples on my back... and I actually got a couple of zits on my face a few weeks ago.. but I none since. I just wash with anti-bacterial soap twice a day, it helps.

    I have been much happier for the last couple of weeks. I think it was during weeks 2 - 5 that I was honestly pissed off all day. I thought I was going to snap at everything.. but yah, it's gone now .... good luck with the rest of that cycle.. post up some updates on this forum, I wanna hear results... I still can't believe you've gained nearly 30 pounds in 4 weeks... I'd be worried about stretch marks if I was you!!
    I havent had much acne either just a few zits on back...other than that no sides really...yeah i know its crazy gaining that much weight so fast..the guy i work out with was blown away cuz he was there when i orginally weighed in at 148 and has been there watching the scale tipping more every day...lol actually i think it is a little discouraging to him because he has only gained around 11lbs and is on same exact cycle...i was extremely UNDERWEIGHT imo before cycle so i assume the first ten pounds or so was just getting my body back to a reasonable weight where it should of been anyways...as far as the stretch marks i really hope they dont start popping up...for the most part i have had very little bloat...seems like i can actually feel myself grow everyday it is insane!!! and this is three days into week five actually...i think when i posted last i was at middle to end of week four...i credit almost all of my gains to number one my DIET and INTENSE training..can not stress the diet enough... but good luck with your training serious and look forward to hearing more results!!!

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    Sleep depravation is a major testosterone decreaser! What does your water intake look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    I havent had much acne either just a few zits on back...other than that no sides really...yeah i know its crazy gaining that much weight so fast..the guy i work out with was blown away cuz he was there when i orginally weighed in at 148 and has been there watching the scale tipping more every day...lol actually i think it is a little discouraging to him because he has only gained around 11lbs and is on same exact cycle...i was extremely UNDERWEIGHT imo before cycle so i assume the first ten pounds or so was just getting my body back to a reasonable weight where it should of been anyways...as far as the stretch marks i really hope they dont start popping up...for the most part i have had very little bloat...seems like i can actually feel myself grow everyday it is insane!!! and this is three days into week five actually...i think when i posted last i was at middle to end of week four...i credit almost all of my gains to number one my DIET and INTENSE training..can not stress the diet enough... but good luck with your training serious and look forward to hearing more results!!!
    I completely agree about the diet. Mine is pretty much perfect. Perhaps a little too much sodium.. but other then that it's spot on.

    Get some Vitamin E and rub it on your arms (shoulders) and around your waist, that can help with the stretch marks... update us @ like week 7 of your cycle k? I wanna hear if the gains keep coming. good luck buddy!

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Nicky the fish View Post
    Sleep depravation is a major testosterone decreaser! What does your water intake look like?
    That's true. I'm getting 6 hours of sleep a night though, which I wouldn't consider deprivation. >5 hr = deprivation in my mind.

    I'm taking in 4+ liters of water everyday.

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    These are some week 6 updated pictures.

    Weight is at 184.6 right now. I'm still gaining everyday though.

    Arms are getting thicker, which is nice, I've always had a hard time bulking up the biceps.

    Chest is much stronger, and I feel like it's getting more defined.

    Getting some nice vascularity as well.

    Around 5 more weeks of test left, and starting the winny in about a week and a half.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    These are some week 6 updated pictures.

    Weight is at 184.6 right now. I'm still gaining everyday though.

    Arms are getting thicker, which is nice, I've always had a hard time bulking up the biceps.

    Chest is much stronger, and I feel like it's getting more defined.

    Getting some nice vascularity as well.

    Around 5 more weeks of test left, and starting the winny in about a week and a half.

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    looking good serious...def see some more def in chest and arms look a lil thicker...how often are you hitting your abs?? also do you do bent over rows and deads?? jw cuz those are two good exercises to get thicker imo...i forgot what was your weight at the start of cycle?? anyways looking good bro keep up the hard word and GET SWOLE!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    looking good serious...def see some more def in chest and arms look a lil thicker...how often are you hitting your abs?? also do you do bent over rows and deads?? jw cuz those are two good exercises to get thicker imo...i forgot what was your weight at the start of cycle?? anyways looking good bro keep up the hard word and GET SWOLE!!!!
    I don't do abs. I haven't for 6 weeks now.

    Prior to the cycle I was doing abs 5 times a week - 25 minutes.

    I do bent-over rows, but I do not do dead-lifts. My lower back is fvcked, and I don't want to aggravate anything down there.

    My initial weight was 174.0 (So I've gained ~10.5 pounds. I got the flu though, which really hampered gains a couple of weeks back. I think I'm finally recovered, and gaining weight again)

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    whats up bro? doing good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbm View Post
    whats up bro? doing good?
    yah man. getting stronger everyday. feels good. school's hard ass hell though. having a hard time getting through calculus. but other then that all's well. How about yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    I don't do abs. I haven't for 6 weeks now.

    Prior to the cycle I was doing abs 5 times a week - 25 minutes.

    I do bent-over rows, but I do not do dead-lifts. My lower back is fvcked, and I don't want to aggravate anything down there.

    My initial weight was 174.0 (So I've gained ~10.5 pounds. I got the flu though, which really hampered gains a couple of weeks back. I think I'm finally recovered, and gaining weight again)
    i know exactly how you feel man...i also got sick like two weeks back but luckily mine was only for two days...well two days of pukeing followed by a week of a head cold!!! talk about the worse time ever to get sick!!! but good luck on your gains and am interested on hearing your progress...keep up the hard work bro!!

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    lookin good serious.. nice thick arms, chest noticably improved aswel

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    i know exactly how you feel man...i also got sick like two weeks back but luckily mine was only for two days...well two days of pukeing followed by a week of a head cold!!! talk about the worse time ever to get sick!!! but good luck on your gains and am interested on hearing your progress...keep up the hard work bro!!
    yah it's wack hey? I've heard that while on AAS you're more susceptible to getting ill... but I dunno if that's a fact..

    Anyways, sounds good. keep checking in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emondo View Post
    lookin good serious.. nice thick arms, chest noticably improved aswel
    Thanks .... I think I'm filling out very nicely. It's great too, because so far I've had NO bloat, and NO gyno whatsoever... so this cycle is excellent In addition, the strength gains are incredible.

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    Nice work man. updates prompt and properly done. Can definite see changes so far in size, even thicker than last time. Get some comparison shots up next lot of photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    yah man. getting stronger everyday. feels good. school's hard ass hell though. having a hard time getting through calculus. but other then that all's well. How about yourself?
    Remember I told you I'm cutting, changed my mind I'm now bulking up.
    I'll try to put more weight of course with a clean diet.
    Juice maybe next year.

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    im still natty, tryin to get my shoulders and chest back up to par to pre injury shape, getting very close though. havent been on the forums hardly at all lately..guess u could say im outta the loop lol. my goal has always been to bench 225 10 times, im up to about 8 now so i got a lil ways to go. and yes i use good form and keep my ass DOWN lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Nice work man. updates prompt and properly done. Can definite see changes so far in size, even thicker than last time. Get some comparison shots up next lot of photos.
    Thanks buddy. I'll get some pics up in about a week and a half (take the picture before the winny), I'll get a couple of comparison shots going.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbm View Post
    Remember I told you I'm cutting, changed my mind I'm now bulking up.
    I'll try to put more weight of course with a clean diet.
    Juice maybe next year.
    Nice, that's a really mature choice. lol. props - good work man.

    Quote Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
    im still natty, tryin to get my shoulders and chest back up to par to pre injury shape, getting very close though. havent been on the forums hardly at all lately..guess u could say im outta the loop lol. my goal has always been to bench 225 10 times, im up to about 8 now so i got a lil ways to go. and yes i use good form and keep my ass DOWN lol
    Jeeeez, I was shocked when I saw those pics of you. For some reason I thought you would be a really lean guy. lol. but i was totally off track..

    that goal is definitely achievable. 225 is a pretty good bench press. I am aiming to start repping 2 - 45p plates on each side as well.

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    hey serious just wondering if you received the pm i sent you?? jw cuz i have had problems with people getting my pm's for some reason...sometimes they wont go through...hope all is going well and keep training hard bro!!!

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    im not that big, but not super lean..im some areas lol. my back is pretty ripped though man weighted pulls are AWESOME. i need to work on my BF in a couple months though, a nice lean mid section like yours would do me good. ive been working out for about 10 years now, on and off but mostly on, had i been eating properly id be freaky nice for being natural but lucky for me i found this website last summer while i was hurt. im getting enough size now to where people at the gym are actually listening to what i tell them and asking for advice, first thing i mention is diet..which is the LAST thing they want to hear lol
    what is your training experience again?

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    nice log dude but i noticed on your training say back for instance one day you hit it with 16 sets , i know diffrent people respond differently but id say thats wayyyy to many sets why not try hit up abit more intensity , btw cycle looks like its coming along nicely

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    hey serious just wondering if you received the pm i sent you?? jw cuz i have had problems with people getting my pm's for some reason...sometimes they wont go through...hope all is going well and keep training hard bro!!!
    Got it. Replied

    Quote Originally Posted by ray0414 View Post
    im not that big, but not super lean..im some areas lol. my back is pretty ripped though man weighted pulls are AWESOME. i need to work on my BF in a couple months though, a nice lean mid section like yours would do me good. ive been working out for about 10 years now, on and off but mostly on, had i been eating properly id be freaky nice for being natural but lucky for me i found this website last summer while i was hurt. im getting enough size now to where people at the gym are actually listening to what i tell them and asking for advice, first thing i mention is diet..which is the LAST thing they want to hear lol
    what is your training experience again?
    lol that's dope. you'll definitely have a crazy beach-body if you lean out that mid-section for summer.

    I've been training for ~5 years now. I also have been working at the gym part-time for the last couple of years.

    Quote Originally Posted by lozza89 View Post
    nice log dude but i noticed on your training say back for instance one day you hit it with 16 sets , i know diffrent people respond differently but id say thats wayyyy to many sets why not try hit up abit more intensity , btw cycle looks like its coming along nicely
    Thank you. I used to do HIIT (high intensity interval training)... but I don't really like it. I'd rather have a little bit of rest between my sets. I realize I do quite a few sets, per body part, but I figure that at my age / with the quick recovery from AAS, that it is fine.

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    Thank you. I used to do HIIT (high intensity interval training)... but I don't really like it. I'd rather have a little bit of rest between my sets. I realize I do quite a few sets, per body part, but I figure that at my age / with the quick recovery from AAS, that it is fine.[/QUOTE]

    I totally agree about the HIIT...not a big fan of it either...would much rather have couple min rest betwen sets..i still hit each muscle very hard and usually do 16 sets also...I think we are about the same age and imo you are right on about faster recovery due to age and obv aas...i think as long as your resting each muscle group enough between workouts you will be fine...everyone is different but i see no problem with your workout routine..but that imo and might not mean that much lol...keep training hard bro and any new pics???

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    Any more pics bro?

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    k wtf...

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    Any more pics bro?
    hey, yah sorry I'll get some up today or tomorrow.



    ..... Ok so I have a problem. I definitely need some advice. I woke up this morning to inject... but when I went to get my 10mL vial... well... it was like.. crystalized or something. I actually don't even know how to explain it. On Monday the gear was liquid, and a yellowish color... but today it's like white, and rock hard. WTF am I supposed to do? lol.

    Should I heat up the vial in hot water? the gear expires in July 2011... so it's still good.. and I have been keeping it in a very dark, dry place (since i have to hide it from the GF anyways.)

    Any ideas??? help please...

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    weird man iv never heard of that happening, do a google search and hopefully itll show up on a forum somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    hey, yah sorry I'll get some up today or tomorrow.



    ..... Ok so I have a problem. I definitely need some advice. I woke up this morning to inject... but when I went to get my 10mL vial... well... it was like.. crystalized or something. I actually don't even know how to explain it. On Monday the gear was liquid, and a yellowish color... but today it's like white, and rock hard. WTF am I supposed to do? lol.

    Should I heat up the vial in hot water? the gear expires in July 2011... so it's still good.. and I have been keeping it in a very dark, dry place (since i have to hide it from the GF anyways.)

    Any ideas??? help please...
    i would go and make a new thread in the lab section and ask for help there...i know that SV-1 is very knowledgeable on brewing and can most likely either tell ya why or what happened or give ya a solution on how to fix it..not saying he is the only knowledgable person lurking round the lab section because as you already know this board is FULL of very knowledgeable people...good luck man i hope you get it all straightened out

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousmass View Post
    hey, yah sorry I'll get some up today or tomorrow.



    ..... Ok so I have a problem. I definitely need some advice. I woke up this morning to inject... but when I went to get my 10mL vial... well... it was like.. crystalized or something. I actually don't even know how to explain it. On Monday the gear was liquid, and a yellowish color... but today it's like white, and rock hard. WTF am I supposed to do? lol.

    Should I heat up the vial in hot water? the gear expires in July 2011... so it's still good.. and I have been keeping it in a very dark, dry place (since i have to hide it from the GF anyways.)

    Any ideas??? help please...

    Dude did you sort this out! Not good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    i would go and make a new thread in the lab section and ask for help there...i know that SV-1 is very knowledgeable on brewing and can most likely either tell ya why or what happened or give ya a solution on how to fix it..not saying he is the only knowledgable person lurking round the lab section because as you already know this board is FULL of very knowledgeable people...good luck man i hope you get it all straightened out
    yah I actually did that immediately after I posted in this thread. but thanks. I'm going to be reheating the gear now prior to every injection in a warm cup of water, which will convert the crystals to suspension form.

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    Dude did you sort this out! Not good!
    I did find out what happened. Apparently my gear crashed. It's actually pretty interesting, I'll post it incase anyone wants a good read:

    "what is happening to your gear is called "crashing", and this is why it's happening:

    when you dissolve a compound in a solvent(the compound is called the solute) there are some rules you have to observe

    1) different solvents can hold different amounts of solute(given the solute is soluable in the solvent), for example, water can hold much less hormone than can an oil

    2) temperature affects solubility, as the temperature decreases, most solvents lose the ability to hold their solutes and the solute can "crash" or come out of the solution, think sugar and tea, have you ever put alot of sugar in tea and noticed that there is a point where no matter how much you mix no more sugar will go into the tea, that is because the tea is saturated with sugar(meaning it can't hold anymore), but if you now heat and stir the tea, the sugar will dissolve, because as most solutions temperatures increase so does the solubility

    there are many more rules, but these are the ones you need to concern yourself with"

    ... shout out to Phate. Thanks again buddy, you're one smart kid.

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    well hopefully it wont keep crashing on ya...i am assuming that you got it to hold....i have been worried about the same thing...i keep waiting for the day that i go to get my gear and it has crashed...hope it doesnt happen but ya never know...how has your training been serious??? any new pics for us yet??

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    hey serious have you had any problems with back acne or lumps in injection site from the test E?? just curious because i have recently got three zits on my back and am currently about four and a half weeks into test e/deca/dbol/slin cycle and am hoping that the acne will not get much worse...i realize most of it is probably from the dbol but im sure the test could also have something to do with it..when i started cycle i was at 148lbs and now am at 175...VERY happy with gains so far considering my side effects have been very little if any...some rage but mostly little things just piss me off more than usual...and other than that only the three aas pimples..just curious if you have had any similar sides..
    1st cycle and your using 3 compounds AND INSULIN ? are you f*cking retarded or somethin.. seriously though

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    well hopefully it wont keep crashing on ya...i am assuming that you got it to hold....i have been worried about the same thing...i keep waiting for the day that i go to get my gear and it has crashed...hope it doesnt happen but ya never know...how has your training been serious??? any new pics for us yet??
    training is going really well. I'm going to be posting the new weights i'm repping, in the next couple of days. (I was hoping to do it earlier, but I've been insanely busy with midterms.)

    I'll post some pictures tonight.

    how're the strength gains going for you?

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    1st cycle and your using 3 compounds AND INSULIN? are you f*cking retarded or somethin.. seriously though


    Save it for PM.

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    strength gains and weight gains are awesome....up to 181 this morning and been just throwing weights around at the gym...every week im getting considerably stronger than the last and i love it...as far as BGIZZLE comment goes i understand and am fully aware that for a first cycle you typically want to stick to one compound but to each his own...all i have to say concerning that..cant wait to see some new pics of ya bro and how is school going?

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    have you maxed to see how much your lifts have gone up and keep up the good work and doing the same cycle in about a month

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_animal View Post
    have you maxed to see how much your lifts have gone up and keep up the good work and doing the same cycle in about a month
    I'm pretty sure mass has taken every step required on this cycle. Should be stickied for nubs to see a proper first cycle, logged, and the end results. IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    strength gains and weight gains are awesome....up to 181 this morning and been just throwing weights around at the gym...every week im getting considerably stronger than the last and i love it...as far as BGIZZLE comment goes i understand and am fully aware that for a first cycle you typically want to stick to one compound but to each his own...all i have to say concerning that..cant wait to see some new pics of ya bro and how is school going?
    how tall are you ? i cant understand how you would take 4 things at once when you were 140 odd pounds thats insane

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    i am about 5 10...and i only added the slin recently and am no longer taking the dbol ...i only took for first four weeks to jump start gains...but if anyone else would like to talk about my compunds im taking or flame me for doing so this is not the proper thread...this thread is for mass and his cycle progress to keep all posts regarding this thread...if you feel the need to flame me send me a pm and we can talk it out there since this is off topic for this thread!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nails4me2 View Post
    well hopefully it wont keep crashing on ya...i am assuming that you got it to hold....i have been worried about the same thing...i keep waiting for the day that i go to get my gear and it has crashed...hope it doesnt happen but ya never know...how has your training been serious??? any new pics for us yet??
    Training is going very well. Unbelievable pumps. Artificial test is a very unique feeling lol. I was at the gym today and I didn't have a spotter, but I saw a guy pumping about the same amount of weight as me, so I asked if I could work inbetween sets with him. After 4 sets of bench press the guy goes: "how can you be so lean, yet so strong"... I just started laughing.. "cardio and diet" i replied hahaha.

    Here are the new pictures... update: starting the winny on thursday!!

    New weight: 187.3 pounds.
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